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War over a few islands? Sounds familiar:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8036058/China-warns-tourists-not-to-visit-Japan.html

Still, China seems to be causing most of the problems:

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/japan-pm-urges-china-to-be-responsible-20101001-1609z.html

What with propping up their currency to force a trade surplus, which Japan needs like a hole in the head, this could turn nasty.

That's the two largest nations it's P155ing off. Whatever next?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c98qdFQF7sw

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If it were simply China v Japan it would be a virtual walkover for China as Japan has little military but Japan relies on the US.

Edited by billybong

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It would be a virtual walkover for China as Japan has little military and relies on the US.

I'm pretty sure McArthur would have wanted to say something about that.

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I'm pretty sure McArthur would have wanted to say something about that.

Well exactly but if it were simply China v Japan it would be a walkover. Before WW2 it would be a different matter of course as Japan was quite big militarily then but now is now.

Edited by billybong

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If it were simply China v Japan it would be a virtual walkover for China as Japan has little military but Japan relies on the US.

No it wouldn't

Japan has a robust military, defending a mountainous and forested island on the other side of a reasonably large sea. How exactly would China go about effecting a landing? How would they get air and water supremacy? Other than nukes they wouldn't. They cannot even take Taiwan, FFS

Edit: Compare and contrast

Japan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Maritime_Self-Defense_Force

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_airforce

China:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Navy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Air_Force

Edited by FaFa!

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Looks like they'd decided Obama's a big girls blouse and they're testing just how big.

He needs to grow a pair and start to take them apart before they become over confident.

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Well exactly but if it were simply China v Japan it would be a walkover. Before WW2 it would be a different matter of course as Japan was quite big militarily then but now is now.

I have a lot of respect for the Japanese and I'm pretty sure they've seen this China monster coming for a few decades.

Do you think they've spent these decades just sitting on their hands waiting for the inevitable outcome?

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War is good for reducing population, inventing new things, getting rid of the old ways, uniting a country.

Making more agricultural land, ploughing the land on a large scale, ...

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The end game approaches?

My guess is that Japan will re-arm, interest rates will be increased to 7% to attract money back from abroad, Japanese companies will work flat out to produce equipment, the Yen will go to the moon as there's a rush to convert back into it.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world is tipped into depression. Half of Britain's car industry is mothballed for example.

Just a wild guess...

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My guess is that Japan will re-arm, interest rates will be increased to 7% to attract money back from abroad, Japanese companies will work flat out to produce equipment, the Yen will go to the moon as there's a rush to convert back into it.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world is tipped into depression. Half of Britain's car industry is mothballed for example.

Just a wild guess...

7% interest rates with their debt? Unworkable surely?

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I have a lot of respect for the Japanese and I'm pretty sure they've seen this China monster coming for a few decades.

Do you think they've spent these decades just sitting on their hands waiting for the inevitable outcome?

Quite, the Japs are a bunch of psychopathic war mongers by trade. You can bet you're bottom dollar they've got a secret army of Godzilla robots stashed under a volcano, just waiting for the Chinese to make the wrong move! ;)

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7% interest rates with their debt? Unworkable surely?

Tongue in cheek of course, I just find it strange that people can talk so casually about war....

But, war changes everything, the rule book gets torn up, millions die, many lose everything, a few get very rich. I don't like it.

My wife is in Japan for a few weeks, hopefully she'll be able to bring back my Shoei helmet and buy an oil filter for the van before all hell breaks loose.

Edited by council dweller

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No it wouldn't

Japan has a robust military, defending a mountainous and forested island on the other side of a reasonably large sea. How exactly would China go about effecting a landing? How would they get air and water supremacy? Other than nukes they wouldn't. They cannot even take Taiwan, FFS

Edit: Compare and contrast

Japan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Navy'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Air_Force'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Air_Force

Yes they show China has much larger forces.

And not forgetting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army

The PLA is the world's largest military force, with approximately 3 million members (see List of countries by number of total troops), and has the world's largest (active) standing army, with approximately 2.25 million members

3 million available that could probably be increased hugely in size very quickly.

Taiwan is in a similar position to Japan. It's Taiwan's allies and their resources that's being relied on rather than its own capability.

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I have a lot of respect for the Japanese and I'm pretty sure they've seen this China monster coming for a few decades.

Do you think they've spent these decades just sitting on their hands waiting for the inevitable outcome?

For me it's not really a matter of respect or otherwise and it's not being disrespectful at all to try to see reality.

They've had to sit on their hands to some extent except as a defensive force and as things stand would be reliant on the US - that is if it came to real war rather than cold/cod war style mutual harassment.

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Quite, the Japs are a bunch of psychopathic war mongers by trade. You can bet you're bottom dollar they've got a secret army of Godzilla robots stashed under a volcano, just waiting for the Chinese to make the wrong move! ;)

My feeling exactly! :D

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Yes they show China has much larger forces.

And not forgetting

3 million available that could probably be increased hugely in size very quickly.

Taiwan is in a similar position to Japan. It's Taiwan's allies and their resources that's being relied on rather than its own capability.

Quality not quantity.

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For me it's not really a matter of respect or otherwise and it's not being disrespectful at all to try to see reality.

What I meant is that I don't think they are dumb. My guess is they are armed and nuked to the teeth.

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What I meant is that I don't think they are dumb. My guess is they are armed and nuked to the teeth.

Given the fragility of the just in time food chain it wouldn't take much for millions to die.

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Quality not quantity.

Indeed but realistically speaking there's nothing to say that the Chinese army doesn't have sufficient quality relative to the Japanese force. China certainly has overwhelming numbers.

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What I meant is that I don't think they are dumb. My guess is they are armed and nuked to the teeth.

No not dumb but like Germany they've been restricted since WW2 so I doubt it but if so It's to be hoped they stay on side.

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What I meant is that I don't think they are dumb. My guess is they are armed and nuked to the teeth.

Indeed, I did hear a few years ago that they'd be able to put nuclear weapons together within weeks.

By the way, I did have the pleasure of teaching English at one of their bases. Pretty strange really, everthing had a 1950's feel to it. Even the food...miso, grilled fish and rice.

Edited by council dweller

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Same old same old with the Japs.....lack of natural resources. Any effective embargo (which being an island state wouldn't be too difficult in the grand scheme of things) would see them in trouble fairly quickly. Also, given the Japs tour of East Asia 1931 - 1945 I'm not sure there would be too many sympathetic to their cause in that part of the world at least (ask the Koreans).

Of course, the US would be expected to be onside this time around....how things change eh?

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