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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11440985

New Met Police officers 'recruited from volunteers'

Metropolitan police officers Met special constables wear the same uniform as regular police officers and have the same powers

Recruits to the Metropolitan Police (Met) would have to work as volunteer officers before being given paid roles under radical new proposals.

The Met Police Authority is considering the idea of taking on most of its officers from a pool of volunteer special constables.

Other applicants would come from the Met's community support officers, or have law and policing qualifications.

The move would save £20,000 per applicant.

Last year, London's force recruited 2,000 new officers, taking its total complement to more than 31,000.

At present, police recruits are paid a salary of at least £23,000 during their first two years.

They receive 25 weeks of foundation training regardless of previous qualifications and gain on-the-job experience.

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The Met's new recruitment model involves the majority of applicants working for 18 months as volunteers. They will receive development and training opportunities.

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The force's special constables wear the same uniform as regular police officers, have the same powers and responsibilities, and commit to work 16 hours a month unpaid.

Police community support officers (PCSOs) and people who cannot become special constables can apply to join once they have a recognised qualification in law and policing.

PCSOs are not police officers and do not have powers of arrest.

The Met Police also wants to change the way it advertises jobs, from "generic, lengthy ongoing campaigns" to "discrete, time-limited recruitment campaigns".

According to the briefing paper for the MPA: "The proposal will result in significant cash savings, improve local service provision and provide participants with a range of transferable skills."

The MPA meeting is due to take place at 1000 BST in central London.

Pre-entry qualification

Similar recruitment schemes have been piloted or are being considered by forces including Surrey, Lancashire and Greater Manchester Police.

The BBC's home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw says it is understood a review of police training in England and Wales, ordered by the home secretary, will call for a pre-entry qualification for all recruits, as there is in nursing.

There are almost 144,000 police officers across the 43 forces in England and Wales.

In addition, there are 17,000 PCSOs and about 15,000 special constables who provide additional resources for the police, such as at major public events.

Like other government departments, the Home Office - which funds the police - could be facing cuts of about 25%. The exact level will not be known until the current spending review is published in October.

Many forces have already announced job losses and recruitment freezes

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Anything but cut the pay of existing coppers, eh?

This might have some pretty bad unintended consequences. What do they think the morale and professionalism of these unpaid recruits will be like? A young policeman who pays his own bus fare to go back to his childhood bedroom at night is not going to have the confidence and authority of one who goes back to his own comfortable little terraced house. Asking somebody to take on adult responsibilities while living like a child is totally unreasonable.

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The force's special constables wear the same uniform as regular police officers, have the same powers and responsibilities, and commit to work 16 hours a month unpaid.

So when are the marches/protests and anger about this creeping exploitation of the young, those at the bottom of ladder with no experience and the general undermining of the minimum wage going to happen? Hell, why pay anyone? Everyone can work for free. (At least at 16 hours a month unpaid they should still have time/be eligible to sign on for Jobseekers or whatever it is after October 20th)

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Anything but cut the pay of existing coppers, eh?

This might have some pretty bad unintended consequences. What do they think the morale and professionalism of these unpaid recruits will be like? A young policeman who pays his own bus fare to go back to his childhood bedroom at night is not going to have the confidence and authority of one who goes back to his own comfortable little terraced house. Asking somebody to take on adult responsibilities while living like a child is totally unreasonable.

A very good point which I had not seen before. It is quite extensive in its repercussions. Family life, social mobility, relationships etc.

As to the OP, I find the 'volunteering' scam very dangerous for young people because it is easier said than done and favours the better off and well connected, and those who live in cities.

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A very good point which I had not seen before. It is quite extensive in its repercussions. Family life, social mobility, relationships etc.

As to the OP, I find the 'volunteering' scam very dangerous for young people because it is easier said than done and favours the better off and well connected, and those who live in cities.

We have a volunteer at work, basically a new grad with a good degree that couldn't find work but want to do something in the industry for minimum wage. He now as a 3-month contract with us, knowing that there is no job at the end of it but his CV will look better.

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Volunteering is ok in some circumstances, for a brief time to gain experience as in the grads situation, but come on, for anything else it is effectively a form of slavery. Who can actually work for free in todays society when you need to earn "money" to exist?

This isnt volunteering to look after an elderly relative, or to help clean a canal or some other pursuit that would be worth volunterring for, they are asking for you accept a situation where someone can be a pontential Police Constable but has to volunteer and work for free to do so, this will set a dangerous example, what next, will we be asking for volunteer armed forces personel? doctors?..

So not only are you going to be paying your taxes as normal, if not with increases, the services you pay to support you are being run by volunteers, unpaid, so where is the money going to? ..we all know...paying of the unpayable debts. :blink:

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Anything but cut the pay of existing coppers, eh?

This might have some pretty bad unintended consequences. What do they think the morale and professionalism of these unpaid recruits will be like? A young policeman who pays his own bus fare to go back to his childhood bedroom at night is not going to have the confidence and authority of one who goes back to his own comfortable little terraced house. Asking somebody to take on adult responsibilities while living like a child is totally unreasonable.

Exactly, and where will the incentive to actually work whilst putting in the hours come from? For two years!

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Let me put some flesh on this. My friend at work is a special.

Special's only have to do a minimum of two 8 hour shifts a month. For this they do get free travel on the buses and tubes (not overground for some reason). So it's possible that you can easily hold down a regular job and be a special on the side.

I'm not sure what the dropout rates are for regular coppers, but perhaps the police are trying to mitigate losses here? i.e. training a regular copper might cost £30k and then he/she decides to leave after 2 weeks cos it's not like what they were expecting.

I can see the logic in just recruiting specials as not only are they already trained and kitted out uniform wise, but they've ultimately demonstrated commitment.

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At present, police recruits are paid a salary of at least £23,000 during their first two years.

They earn way more than that tho:

http://www.met.police.uk/careers/newconstable/pay_and_benefits.html

Pay

All Metropolitan police officers currently receive London weighting and allowances amounting to £6,501 on top of national police pay scales.

If you are new to the role, this means:

* £28,605 on commencing service

* £31,176 on completion of initial 31 weeks' training

* £32,610 after two years' probationer training.

Experienced officers transferring into the MPS may also qualify to receive a rent or housing allowance up to a maximum of £5,863 and £5,126 a year respectively.

Plus subsidised accommodation for two years (2/3 off the standard market price), pension, double time for overtime and free travel anywhere within 50 miles of london on public transport.

Edited by saving since 2005

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Student nurses work for free for three years, most hospital wards rely on them.

They used to be paid and employed by the hospitals, but when they moved the training to be higher education based, it meant they could get them to work for free. saves them a fortune.

There isn't really any difference here in getting the police to work for free. kind of like an apprenticeship, they still get their little rush from wearing the uniform, to be rude to people, hit folk with their batons etc, that's really what they are wanting.

Any way £32k after probationary service!! only attributes needed: low IQ and be quite tall.

(before someone comments, I know the height restrictions have been lowered)

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Student nurses work for free for three years, most hospital wards rely on them.

They used to be paid and employed by the hospitals, but when they moved the training to be higher education based, it meant they could get them to work for free. saves them a fortune.

Yes, what they have done to nurses is very wrong. It's just another part of the ugly way the higher education sector has tried to get its fingers into every pie in the land in order to justify its bloated existence. My next door neighbour's daughter took a bachelors degree in wedding planning. Honestly, there are things you can learn on the job, and get paid for doing. There is no need to have a taxpayer-subsidised university course involving lectures and coursework and student loans and the whole expensive lot.

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