Blod Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I’d love to see the results of Labour’s focus group research at moment. I’ve noticed that they’ve not totally banned discussion of the effects of migration nor housing which is interesting. If any mainstream party had the stomach for it a winning policy would be that those that benefitted from the MewLabour’s fiscal ineptitude should bear the cost of it though being forced to carry the largest tax burden. The retail financial sector and all those in the property ponzi should be right in the firing line IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 The sheeple in the US are already blaming Obama for the mess. Poisoned chalice scenario. People are really stupid IMO. obama and bush are both statists, big difference to the smaller-state liberal government we have now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 His speech seems to denounce almost everything that NuLabour stood for, you know they went wrong and took the wrong direction blah blah blah. He wasn't involved with those policies you see oh no not at all and he so understands peoples concerns about the economy, immigration and so on. Other leaders of NuLabour looking around shiftily to see if conference is buying it He's on about the badly done dinner lady he met He so understands the common folk Just waiting for British jobs for British workers, he's nearly there. He's even thrown in a few "let's be honest". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I'm as happy as the next one to indulge in a bit of new-labour bashing (and the millibands can twit off), but the notion that they were a socialist government is utter twaddle. I'd happily vote for some decent democratic socialists - a party that placed sound economics first, and support for UK manufacturing second (which is the best way to support the working class imho), and support for the underclass through the welfare state third. That's more or less what I'd like, although not necessarily in that order but only because I wouldn't place sound economics top as if it was something to be aimed for in its own right - IMO it's more of an essential in order to achieve the things that should be priorities. I suppose that makes little practical difference but it's a slightly different mindset. I'm also not sure that manufacturing really is the panacea some hope for either, though. I think (although don't have any evidence to hand) that our manufacturing sector isn't as small as people often make out. It's just mostly very efficient so doesn't really require all that many jobs. If that's true I don't know what the solution is, although I'm fairly sure it's not debt-creating non-jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RufflesTheGuineaPig Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 The usual Labour vs Tory claptrap. Ignoring the fact that Labour have run the country for the last 12 years with strong tory policies... house price ramping, lax banking laws, tax cuts for the rich, trickle down economy, etc etc We have had 30 years of Tory government, and now the country is an economic basket case as a result, crippled by a 30 year house price bubble. But don't worry, the Tories are in power now, they'll save us! Retards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Lorne Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 ...thought his speech was trying to be all things to all people ...trying to appease all....we know this is impossible....especially as he advised the unions it might be a bad idea to strike as the public would not like or support such action re the cuts....Woodley + chums did not look to impressed as the cameras panned around ....did I hear him use the phrase 'social conservatives'......?...some 'red ed'....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets get it right Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I thought he performed quite well in his speech to the Labour party conference. I'm sure he'll grow into the job. Looking at David Milliband, you could almost see him muttering 'it should have been me!' as he looked on. I wonder if David Milliband has been punished because he lacked the courage to take on Gordon Brown. How many people in the Labour Party are thinking; 'If he's taken on Gordon Brown and won, we wouldn't have lost the election'. Difficult to see how Labour can take over the middle ground now - can't see any differences between them and the Lib Cons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Lorne Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 ...also ...somewhat complacent ...didn't slam Gordo and Tony enough ...indeed praised them on several 'good' deeds ....must have scratched the bottom of the bucket for those..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Lorne Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Difficult to see how Labour can take over the middle ground now - can't see any differences between them and the Lib Cons. ...yes ...appears to be the Soc Cons...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkwell Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/first-his-brother-was-defeated-now-his-former-boss-is-disowned-2091290.html So whilst people built up this debt you objected how exactly? I don't recall Ed making too many statements about the build up of debt threatening economic stability. Exactly. Follow the tribe until they get caught screwing up, then stab everyone else in the back and make up a new story. It'll be interesting to see how Ed wields the knife. Party politics is a farce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 That's very odd. I don't recall him telling us Brown was a mentalist at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zngland Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Labour follows the path of "social democracy" in itself you can say it's admirable , problem is that in a Globalised world where wages,competiveness etc are attacked with such ferocity , there's simply no room for socialistic mass appertaining grandiosity. Hence, why now with most people dependent on the state for their income either handouts or wages from tax revenues we are in a budgetry economic shit storm and the consequential scrambling for GB AAA lest we go Mad Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_ichikawa Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 In fact, I think its about time, a list of the reasons why Labour are to blame, were repeatedly sent around Student unions, posted through letterboxes, etc. You think you can say a couple of sentences at a conference, yes, and sweep it under the carpet? You underestimate the stupidity of the British people. 8.02AM this morning I heard news which made me rather angry. That Labour is now more popular at 42% than the tories who are at 39%. Think about it how dumb the average person on the street is and consider that 50% of the population are even dumber than this person. Scary isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_ichikawa Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Ah but only enlightened folk such as you know the difference. If Americans are so f'en stupid why are they the only nation in the Western world who have a political party rising from this current mess with policies aimed at ending huge unaffordable govt., and dealing with banksters. They aren't there are massive (unreported) demos in China and Korea about unfairness etc. In fact HK has 2 demos per day and when the 2008 budget was annouced HK people stormed the parliment building and started hand to hand combat (or rather giant inflatable vegetable) combat with politicians. Americans are also armed. But Hong Kong (and other nations) are the kicker in that they are completely unarmed and generally wussies. They are prepared to stand and spill the blood of others and their own to get what they want or oppose things they do not like. British people will moan and go out and buy some extralube and they'll love being on the barrel over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_ichikawa Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 ...thought his speech was trying to be all things to all people ...trying to appease all....we know this is impossible....especially as he advised the unions it might be a bad idea to strike as the public would not like or support such action re the cuts....Woodley + chums did not look to impressed as the cameras panned around ....did I hear him use the phrase 'social conservatives'......?...some 'red ed'....... If he wanted to win the election he should have said something like. If you vote for me, I guarentee to put Gordon Brown and Blair in the Haugue for warcrimes trials, we'll give them an (un) fair trial and stick them in general population at Abu Graib. With the BEST possible medical care to regularly bring them back from near death so we can torture them to death again and again and again and again and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPCatlast. Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Don't you just hate it when the new leader comes in and claims none of it was his fault as though they had just landed from Mars and found this incredible mess left by the previous occupant in the post, as though they had never even met the guy. How true. Why did he not speak up about Iraq, 'boom and bust', immigration etc. BEFORE the election in May? :angry: Typical political liar, just like 'teflon' phoney Bliar, "an honest 'SORT OF'! guy", HONEST?, he wouldn't know what that meant in 100 years. :angry: Believe that brother David lost out because he 'did a Gordon', he bottled the challenge (to Gordon in his case), I hope he forever regrets that 'Gordon' decision. Pretty sure he will be off the front benches after tomorrow. Suddenly they are electable optimists with no connection to 'new liebor', utter BS, in politics like there father (and 'teflon' Phoney Bliar), to be weathy, and avoid paying inheritance tax, etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't recall seeing crash Gordon at the conference today! Total BS-ing spin, no trust in there rhetoric, nothing but utter BS (but plenty will buy it, how sad, thank God I'm across the channel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Being interviewed he mentioned David Cameron today, I can't remember the exact context but it was a sort of pretend opposition moment. He clearly faltered when he realised he had to use the surname of his pal David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie The Tramp Returns Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Ed Miliband will today take the audacious step of denouncing the hubristic boast of his patron, Gordon Brown, that Labour could abolish economic boom and bust, Here liveth a very dangerous two faced politician who I would never give him my back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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