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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/24/spain-grandparents-childcare-strike-union

couldn't happen in the UK could it? all those greedy boomer grandparents would never think of spending their spare time looking after their gen x/y kids children? How could they when they are all sailing around the Carribbean.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10264005

'one in three mothers in the UK rely on grandparents to provide childcare.'.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/24/spain-grandparents-childcare-strike-union

couldn't happen in the UK could it? all those greedy boomer grandparents would never think of spending their spare time looking after their gen x/y kids children? How could they when they are all sailing around the Carribbean.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10264005

'one in three mothers in the UK rely on grandparents to provide childcare.'.

There's a lot of this around here. Picking them up from school, feeding them, helping with homework, until the parents pick them up. And looking after babies/toddlers while mothers go back to work. Having them all day for much of the school holidays.

And some I know admit it's exhausting (especially with toddlers when you're no longer used to needing eyes in the back of your head) but if they didn't help, there is no way their kids could afford the mortgage. Which is often on about the smallest property that could ever be called a 'family' home.

A fair number of these grandparents are also running around after their own very elderly, decrepit parents.

What'll happen to this system when we all have to work into our 70s God only knows.

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Is anyone surprised when lenders lend to doubleincome?

Is anyone surprised that Grandparents also contribute, not only to the repayments in this way, but by handing over deposit money too.

this isnt double income lending...its double income PLUS the rest of the family.

And people think this is going to continue growing.

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Grandparents should actively help out and be involved, its only natural. Life doesn't just end at retirement where one just consumes, and consumes. Without purpose in life, you have no life. All species on earth must continue to work and forage until their death. Humans should not be an exception.

Helping out in a bad way:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/scotland/8022479/Children-held-in-cage-by-grandparents.html

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Grandparents should actively help out and be involved, its only natural. Life doesn't just end at retirement where one just consumes, and consumes. Without purpose in life, you have no life. All species on earth must continue to work and forage until their death. Humans should not be an exception.

Helping out in a bad way:

http://www.telegraph...andparents.html

exactly..but maybe they want to be productive on their own account, and not supporting sprogs who cant afford to live on their own means..

think about the future....the sprogs can support themselves...how on earth are they going to support THEIR sprogs??

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I'm on your side, housing costs are excessive. One parent income should still be enough, and our wealth put toward sustainable useful industries.

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Is anyone surprised when lenders lend to doubleincome?

Is anyone surprised that Grandparents also contribute, not only to the repayments in this way, but by handing over deposit money too.

this isnt double income lending...its double income PLUS the rest of the family.

And people think this is going to continue growing.

.... and so everyone becomes a slave because we all want to live in a 'free' society.

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I'm on your side, housing costs are excessive. One parent income should still be enough, and our wealth put toward sustainable useful industries.

bah...now your just being sensible!

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Not that it will ever happen...

not true..It has to happen...we have mouths to feed...but its not going to be allowed to happen as it should..by gradual, managed change...as you say, its going to be attempted to defy the laws of mathematics....King Canute and all that.

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All the Spanish grandparents I know only needed 10 year mortgages at most to pay off their houses, never worked past 3pm and retired between 50 and 55. A lot of them pride themselves on being tax dodgers. Those of the younger generation "lucky" enough to get jobs have to take out 35 year mortgages to buy small flats on the outskirts of the major cities. It will be interesting to see who turns out to support the Spanish General Strike on the 29th because from my experience it is entirely about the older generation clinging on to cushy jobs at the expense of their children, and most of their children will be completely opposed to the strike.

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All the Spanish grandparents I know only needed 10 year mortgages at most to pay off their houses, never worked past 3pm and retired between 50 and 55. A lot of them pride themselves on being tax dodgers. Those of the younger generation "lucky" enough to get jobs have to take out 35 year mortgages to buy small flats on the outskirts of the major cities. It will be interesting to see who turns out to support the Spanish General Strike on the 29th because from my experience it is entirely about the older generation clinging on to cushy jobs at the expense of their children, and most of their children will be completely opposed to the strike.

Spain, Greece, UK. We're not all that different are we?

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it is entirely about the older generation clinging on to cushy jobs at the expense of their children,

So now we have a collection of boomers who are working for a living rather than living off the labours of younger generations, and they are still in the wrong. All those who think that people should not be allowed to retire until they are 70, please note.

most of their children will be completely opposed to the strike.

The account I read was that most of the grandparents were likely to be opposed to the strike as well. This was a "call" to grandparents to strike, by someone who wanted to point out how badly society is arranged - not a grass-roots movement of frustrated seniors.

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Grandparents provide the childcare that working parents cannot give and the state does not offer.

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LOL. How ridiculous.

This happens in HK too - where it is considered completely normal.

The stupid ridiculous thing, is that the state provides any subsidies for child care at all.

In hard times, we go : Back to the Future, and rediscover old fashioned ways of coping.

Of course, this also goes with grandparents living close to, or with the families. And it also goes with the grandparents living with the son and daughter-in-law, who keep them when money is tight and look after them when they need care - at which time, of course, the daughter/daughter-in-law has to give up work in order to look after people who need someone there all the time.

We may re-discover that as well.

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http://www.guardian....re-strike-union

couldn't happen in the UK could it? all those greedy boomer grandparents would never think of spending their spare time looking after their gen x/y kids children? How could they when they are all sailing around the Carribbean.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10264005

'one in three mothers in the UK rely on grandparents to provide childcare.'.

Do you see the contradiction there? One in 3 mothers rely on grandparents - at the same time as the greedy boomer grandparents spend their whole lives on cruises.

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Do you see the contradiction there? One in 3 mothers rely on grandparents - at the same time as the greedy boomer grandparents spend their whole lives on cruises.

Perhaps house prices will come down once all these grandparents die?

Grandparents gone >> husband or wife cannot afford child care >> one parent gives up work to look after children >> can't afford mortgage payments >> forced to downsize >> house prices become more affordable

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/24/spain-grandparents-childcare-strike-union

couldn't happen in the UK could it? all those greedy boomer grandparents would never think of spending their spare time looking after their gen x/y kids children? How could they when they are all sailing around the Carribbean.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10264005

'one in three mothers in the UK rely on grandparents to provide childcare.'.

Do you see the contradiction there? One in 3 mothers rely on grandparents - at the same time as the greedy boomer grandparents spend their whole lives on cruises.

campervanman was being ironic, perhaps even sarcastic, about what he sees as the knee-jerk "selfish boomer" line of some posters here and elsewhere. He was putting up this sort of standard response, and contrasting it with both the Spanish story and also the other story about the UK. Perhaps he should have added, "Think about it."

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Perhaps house prices will come down once all these grandparents die?

Grandparents gone >> husband or wife cannot afford child care >> one parent gives up work to look after children >> can't afford mortgage payments >> forced to downsize >> house prices become more affordable

You forget the other link in the chain. Grandparents die >> children inherit share of grandparents' house>>use it to pay off mortgage, or buy bigger house, thereby keeping house prices high.

And, of course, if grandparents have done their job, by the time they die the kids might be in school most of the day, and child-minding (perhaps subsidised by inheritance) is needed only for after-school activity.

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