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AN OLDHAM GP is earning £270,571 a year — and two others more than £200,000 each, according to a new review of public sector wages.

That puts us well on the way to the 19th century class system.

Give it another 20 years and we will be burning them at the stake for being witches.

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That's peanuts. Check the list of the highest earning GPs on the BBC website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11333472

GPs are raking it in. They are generally the dregs of the medical profession, those who were too thick/slow to pass their postgraduate exams and become hospital sepcialists. For a long time this was reflected in their pay, which was around 20-30% lower than the average hospital consultant.

Nowadays your average GP earns 3-4 times what a consultant earns, despite no longer doing any out of hours work and (in most cases) refusing to do any home visits. This was a master-stroke of negotiating by the GP's committee, preying on the naivity of the government when who thought they would be saving money by switching GPs to a 'payment by results' system. It's outrageous.

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cut their pay by 50% above 25k.

same for everyone and everything else living off the public teat.

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But GP's have a very effective old school union called the BMA.

I assume doctors can go on strike? Is there a prescedent of them doing so? If not, re-write their contracts & let them FO to the private sector if they feel they are undervalued.

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I love how theres always comments along the lines of 'theyre doctors, they save lives, theyre worth every penny'

Why not lets pay them £20 MILLION each then!

FFS. Pay them as little as theyll work for, just like the rest of us have to accept.

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I did a Locum for a London GP alleged to have been on 250k by the daily mail. He employed two full time salaried gps at a cost of 150k; this was not accounted for by the Wail. His income was actually 100k

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GPs shouldn't not be getting those sums.

What does a GP do all day? Tells people with colds and flu that it'll go away. Gives broad-spectrum antibiotics to kids with ear infections. That kind of thing. If someone shows up really sick with a weird lump or coughing up blood he sends them to a specialist to deal with. Simples.

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I did a Locum for a London GP alleged to have been on 250k by the daily mail. He employed two full time salaried gps at a cost of 150k; this was not accounted for by the Wail. His income was actually 100k

Gross income...he's got car and phone costs, secretarial, IT, training, and everything else.

Still too much.

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http://www.oldham-ch...tor-paid-270571

AN OLDHAM GP is earning £270,571 a year — and two others more than £200,000 each, according to a new review of public sector wages.

Labour gave out these massive overpayments to GPs and others in the NHS coz certain parties are actively out to des_troy it and make it too expensive to run (on purpose)

GREED does the rest - once they get accustomed to a certain level of remuneration - they're now Worth it!

Like USA - surgeons + Doctors $multi millionaires$ yet 100 million USA citizens can't afford healthcare unless given as part of a job package.

That's just THIRD WORLD-type exploitation!

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That's peanuts. Check the list of the highest earning GPs on the BBC website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11333472

GPs are raking it in. They are generally the dregs of the medical profession, those who were too thick/slow to pass their postgraduate exams and become hospital sepcialists. For a long time this was reflected in their pay, which was around 20-30% lower than the average hospital consultant.

Nowadays your average GP earns 3-4 times what a consultant earns, despite no longer doing any out of hours work and (in most cases) refusing to do any home visits. This was a master-stroke of negotiating by the GP's committee, preying on the naivity of the government when who thought they would be saving money by switching GPs to a 'payment by results' system. It's outrageous.

The spreadsheet on the BBC Website which lists every public employee earning over £100,000 a year is so massive, it's 8.5mb in size yet it is all plain text csv. You should all download it and have a look, it will make you puke in rage:

Excel csv of shame

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Labour gave out these massive overpayments to GPs and others in the NHS coz certain parties are actively out to des_troy it and make it too expensive to run (on purpose)

GREED does the rest - once they get accustomed to a certain level of remuneration - they're now Worth it!

Like USA - surgeons + Doctors $multi millionaires$ yet 100 million USA citizens can't afford healthcare unless given as part of a job package.

That's just THIRD WORLD-type exploitation!

I remember the contract negotiations. HMG assumed GPs and consultants were slackers who couldn't hit targets, and were mostly on the golf course. So they made the consultant contract time-sensitive, and 1/3 GP pay dependent on targets. During the negotiation, the BMA warned HMG that doctors would overdeliver. HMG didn't listen. They believed their own class-based prejudices over the objective evidence of serial work surveys (that showed hospital docs worked 15-20hrs over their contracted hours for the NHS). And taxpayers have paid for it ever since.

The biggest portion of the GP contract is called the 'global sum'. What HMG did was use an econometric formula on healthcare need that was valid for populations >100k and applied it to practice populations of 2-15k. Basically they didn't know what they were doing. The BMA supported HMG. When model spreadsheets were distributed to practices, most GPs were faced with a massive loss of income. The BMA lost control, and realized members were going to vote against the contract they were recommending. HMG cottoned on and bought off GPs with a fudge factor (called MPIG) to get the contract through. The contract was a key plank of NHS privatisation - it broke the GP monopoly at the expense of future GPs by buying off incumbents.

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Theres a lady in chigwell who supplies agency nurses to a number of NHS sites, she's become a millioniare-ess out of it.

Now the NHS want to save costs and improve service levels, yet these trusts pay out more for these agency staff than it would cost to employ them full time and have some of those nurses doing bugger all because these agency staff dont even work the equivalent hours in a year of a full time employee.

of course the nursing thing is a scandal.

but that is the problem with "budgets".

you see, nurses budget is all used.

but the other budgets that cover contingencies and temps...well, thats still there!!!.

heaven forbid, managers actually have to use their best of the best brains for actually managing, rather than working out how to maximise bonuses through "pass the target" schemes.

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That's peanuts. Check the list of the highest earning GPs on the BBC website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11333472

GPs are raking it in. They are generally the dregs of the medical profession, those who were too thick/slow to pass their postgraduate exams and become hospital sepcialists. For a long time this was reflected in their pay, which was around 20-30% lower than the average hospital consultant.

Nowadays your average GP earns 3-4 times what a consultant earns, despite no longer doing any out of hours work and (in most cases) refusing to do any home visits. This was a master-stroke of negotiating by the GP's committee, preying on the naivity of the government when who thought they would be saving money by switching GPs to a 'payment by results' system. It's outrageous.

Your local medical school awaits your application. Be careful, though, if you do too well you might end up as a consultant on an average of about £25K per year.... :rolleyes:

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I did a Locum for a London GP alleged to have been on 250k by the daily mail. He employed two full time salaried gps at a cost of 150k; this was not accounted for by the Wail. His income was actually 100k

I did suspect the figures the BBC bandied about (a couple of GPs on £470k) were due to the GPs in question taking control of the whole practice and employing others.

However, I think they've become victims of bad timing, to hear that GPs are raking it in, in the middle of a depression and especially when it's bloody hard to get an appointment to see one, and nigh on impossible to get one to your house, is going to make the man in the street hate them... which will make any forthcoming cuts easier for the government to implement.

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I did suspect the figures the BBC bandied about (a couple of GPs on £470k) were due to the GPs in question taking control of the whole practice and employing others.

However, I think they've become victims of bad timing, to hear that GPs are raking it in, in the middle of a depression and especially when it's bloody hard to get an appointment to see one, and nigh on impossible to get one to your house, is going to make the man in the street hate them... which will make any forthcoming cuts easier for the government to implement.

This is very important - GP practices are run as businesses that are paid by the government for results and when the overheads/employee wages are taken away, the 'profit' is split amongst the partners. The question is whether these figures are the gross payment to the practice or the profit share. I suspect the former as the letter is a matter for individual practices' accounts and I doubt the information is easily available.

In other words, these figures are likely a gross misrepresentation of the facts. Of course this is unheard of in our media.......

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