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Better than expected IMHO.

http://www.libdemvoi...ence-21236.html

Though I'm not sure about clamping down on tax avoiders and loading local councils with debt.

What he is doing well is selling the cuts and planting the blame firmly at Labour's door. "Writing checks they knew would bounce".

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Interesting in that Clegg has hitched his future entirely to the success of the Tory Government. He has left himself no alternative. I doubt that the rank and file of his party are as convinced - they chucked out the Education changes and Clegg must be worried about what they say on Health.

The applause at the end of his speech seemed muted.

That is the trouble with democracy. Despite family money bringing a priviledged education and the contacts to ease him into a political career, Clegg still needs the backing of ordinary voters to give him substance. I doubt that his seat in Sheffield is a safe one any more.

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Nope I was a long-term LibDem supporter (informally) but now I see them as the Tories. I don't see any LibDem policies and feel like we have a Tory government.

Once upon a time the LibDems were to decriminalise cannabis and all sorts of forward looking policies. Now they just seem to be prostituting their values for a temporary piece of the power in Downing Street.

It won't last and will cost them dearly at the next election I think.

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As far as I can see they've punted their future survival for the sake of the country. Of course the cynical idiots in this country can't do better than the tired old all-politicicans-are-corrupt-but-please-dont-take-MY-benefits-away mantras.

I've never voted lib dem before, but am going to next time regardless of how batty some of their individual policies are. They are clearly in the business of doing the right thing.

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Nope I was a long-term LibDem supporter (informally) but now I see them as the Tories. I don't see any LibDem policies and feel like we have a Tory government.

Once upon a time the LibDems were to decriminalise cannabis and all sorts of forward looking policies. Now they just seem to be prostituting their values for a temporary piece of the power in Downing Street.

It won't last and will cost them dearly at the next election I think.

Well, he lost my vote at the weekend. I'm one of those 'left wingers' who had to go somewhere to get away from that religious nutter Blair. Add to that the fact that I have always lived in safe Tory seats and a vote for Labour was wasted so voting LibDem seemed like a quite acceptable alternative.

Not any more.

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What he is doing well is selling the cuts and planting the blame firmly at Labour's door. "Writing checks they knew would bounce".

Really sorry to do this but that's twice in two threads I've read that in the last 2 minutes!

...we call them CHEQUES in this country :blink:

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As far as I can see they've punted their future survival for the sake of the country. Of course the cynical idiots in this country can't do better than the tired old all-politicicans-are-corrupt-but-please-dont-take-MY-benefits-away mantras.

I've never voted lib dem before, but am going to next time regardless of how batty some of their individual policies are. They are clearly in the business of doing the right thing.

Exactly.

Well, he lost my vote at the weekend. I'm one of those 'left wingers' who had to go somewhere to get away from that religious nutter Blair. Add to that the fact that I have always lived in safe Tory seats and a vote for Labour was wasted so voting LibDem seemed like a quite acceptable alternative.

Not any more.

So you think we should keep spending till the bailiffs turn up?

Really sorry to do this but that's twice in two threads I've read that in the last 2 minutes!

...we call them CHEQUES in this country :blink:

Thanks, I stand corrected.

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Clegg's now on about how the cuts are going to be pretty painless. People shouldn't panic it'll all be phased in gradually and so on.

Maybe they'll be able to delay them until the next general election.

UK politicians are so endemically musical chairs, pass the parcel and fiddling as the country goes down the hole.

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As far as I can see they've punted their future survival for the sake of the country. Of course the cynical idiots in this country can't do better than the tired old all-politicicans-are-corrupt-but-please-dont-take-MY-benefits-away mantras.

I've never voted lib dem before, but am going to next time regardless of how batty some of their individual policies are. They are clearly in the business of doing the right thing.

I have voted Lib Dem before, and would again - just to say 'thanks' for doing what they needed to do to get New Labour out. It still brings a smile to my face when I think that Brown, Balls, Cooper, Milliband, Postman Pat et al are now back in opposition where they belong. (And I'm a natural Labour supporter, I just happen to think they are all congenitally useless and will never forgive them for the debt they have placed on the backs of our children.)

It would not surprise me to see Cameron and Clegg trying to amalgamate the parties a couple of years before the next election.

This would mean the right wing of the Tories leaving the party and starting up some nonsensical, right wing, bring back hanging and fox-hunting group calling themselves Real Conservatives - and the Left Wing of the Liberals moving over to Labour.

Labour would then have to fight to occupy the middle ground and, unless they get another Blair in charge (a man who can fool most of the people, most of the time) Labour will be out of power for a few terms until either there is a crisis of some sort or people get fed up with the government and simply vote for a change.

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And as a reward, Labour deserves to never be in power again. Not in my lifetime. Not in the lifetime of your children, and not in the lifetimes of their children either.

Margaret Thatcher told us that Labour isnt working. Gordon Brown proved that it is unlikely to work... ever.

It's quaint how you think we've had a socialist government for the last 12 years.

Labours policies and been Tory to the core. Selling off national assets, PFI, foundation hospitals, house price ramping, out of control banks, tax cuts for the rich.

We have had 30 years of Tory government, and the country is a financial disaster... don't worry, the Tories will save us!!!

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I have voted Lib Dem before, and would again - just to say 'thanks' for doing what they needed to do to get New Labour out. It still brings a smile to my face when I think that Brown, Balls, Cooper, Milliband, Postman Pat et al are now back in opposition where they belong. (And I'm a natural Labour supporter, I just happen to think they are all congenitally useless and will never forgive them for the debt they have placed on the backs of our children.)

fair play

It would not surprise me to see Cameron and Clegg trying to amalgamate the parties a couple of years before the next election.

This would mean the right wing of the Tories leaving the party and starting up some nonsensical, right wing, bring back hanging and fox-hunting group calling themselves Real Conservatives -

you mean UKIP?

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I have voted Lib Dem before, and would again - just to say 'thanks' for doing what they needed to do to get New Labour out. It still brings a smile to my face when I think that Brown, Balls, Cooper, Milliband, Postman Pat et al are now back in opposition where they belong. (And I'm a natural Labour supporter, I just happen to think they are all congenitally useless and will never forgive them for the debt they have placed on the backs of our children.)

It would not surprise me to see Cameron and Clegg trying to amalgamate the parties a couple of years before the next election.

This would mean the right wing of the Tories leaving the party and starting up some nonsensical, right wing, bring back hanging and fox-hunting group calling themselves Real Conservatives - and the Left Wing of the Liberals moving over to Labour.

Labour would then have to fight to occupy the middle ground and, unless they get another Blair in charge (a man who can fool most of the people, most of the time) Labour will be out of power for a few terms until either there is a crisis of some sort or people get fed up with the government and simply vote for a change.

Unless we somehow manage to cram in all the cuts and a mini boom as well before the next election the LibDems are burnt toast. The Tories will just be normal toast. Mark my words, they will not be thanked for "saving us" by the floating voter next time round.

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Unless we somehow manage to cram in all the cuts and a mini boom as well before the next election the LibDems are burnt toast. The Tories will just be normal toast. Mark my words, they will not be thanked for "saving us" by the floating voter next time round.

There are indeed plenty of knobsters who think we can carry on spending money we don't have on a government splurge that cannot be funded.

I don't care anyway, just so long as they lay waste to the thing.

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For those that have not seen the speech, it's on youtube:

I'm watching it again just now, and whilst there is plenty I don't agree with, it really is a bloody good performance.

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For those that have not seen the speech, it's on youtube:

I'm watching it again just now, and whilst there is plenty I don't agree with, it really is a bloody good performance.

Interesting. I'm a bit jaded at good speeches, good ideas, papers, newspaper quotes etc. Let's just see some bloody action in tackling this deficit!

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I have voted Lib Dem before, and would again - just to say 'thanks' for doing what they needed to do to get New Labour out. It still brings a smile to my face when I think that Brown, Balls, Cooper, Milliband, Postman Pat et al are now back in opposition where they belong. (And I'm a natural Labour supporter, I just happen to think they are all congenitally useless and will never forgive them for the debt they have placed on the backs of our children.)

It would not surprise me to see Cameron and Clegg trying to amalgamate the parties a couple of years before the next election.

This would mean the right wing of the Tories leaving the party and starting up some nonsensical, right wing, bring back hanging and fox-hunting group calling themselves Real Conservatives - and the Left Wing of the Liberals moving over to Labour.

Labour would then have to fight to occupy the middle ground and, unless they get another Blair in charge (a man who can fool most of the people, most of the time) Labour will be out of power for a few terms until either there is a crisis of some sort or people get fed up with the government and simply vote for a change.

+10 - I would feel very unhappy right now if I felt that the Tories had a completely free hand.

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Better than expected IMHO.

http://www.libdemvoi...ence-21236.html

Though I'm not sure about clamping down on tax avoiders and loading local councils with debt.

What he is doing well is selling the cuts and planting the blame firmly at Labour's door. "Writing checks they knew would bounce".

I'm a fan of Cleggy too Timm - Andrew George Libdem MP for St Ives has been valiantly and boldly representing my views in parliament while our local Tory MP (Sarah Newton) has only spoken out to make some vague point about the House of Lords and congratulate Cameron on his baby. Grrrr!

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Interesting. I'm a bit jaded at good speeches, good ideas, papers, newspaper quotes etc. Let's just see some bloody action in tackling this deficit!

It is a bit Blairish, I admit.

But I can't actually remember the last time I heard something that left me feeling hopeful.

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