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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/sep/17/vince-cable-migrant-cap-economy

Vince Cable: Migrant cap is hurting economy

Business secretary says cap is stopping firms hiring key staff and wants more flexibility on allowing skilled workers into the UK

I've written to the guardian because it's annoyed me -

We have huge numbers on the dole - is Vince really saying our unemployed are not qualified to do the skilled jobs?

If we import more migrants it'll keep house prices up a bit due to supply and demand...

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We have huge numbers on the dole - is Vince really saying our unemployed are not qualified to do the skilled jobs?

He's saying our unemployed skilled workers aren't cheap enough. Businesses want to employ high quality Indian graduates on minimum wage to make up for the fact that our businesses are less efficient than our German competitors. Who needs to be efficient when you can keep wages low?

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We have huge numbers on the dole - is Vince really saying our unemployed are not qualified to do the skilled jobs?

Yes. Too many graduates with micky mouse degrees instead of hard sciences and engineering.

Thinking is too difficult for the poor things.

It is the same in the US - a significant mismatch between vacancies and job searchers. I read somewhere there are about 1/3 the number of vacancies as there are people out of work.

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We have huge numbers on the dole - is Vince really saying our unemployed are not qualified to do the skilled jobs?

If we import more migrants it'll keep house prices up a bit due to supply and demand...

Nope, they just want to circumvent the NMW.

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Yes. Too many graduates with micky mouse degrees instead of hard sciences and engineering.

Thinking is too difficult for the poor things.

It is the same in the US - a significant mismatch between vacancies and job searchers. I read somewhere there are about 1/3 the number of vacancies as there are people out of work.

Nah, there are just about enough Science, Technology and Engineering graduates I'd say. It's just that the salaries offered in more technical roles for a new graduate don't cover cost of living & paying off student loans & saving for a deposit on a house. So they go off into other sectors (banking for example or specialise into law or management). It's one of the advantages of having a numerate degree that can be used in a lot of careers.

Simple solution would be for the companies to pay more but that'll never happen.

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Could someone just show him a copy of the benefit figures and the unemployment figures and tell him to STFU?

In the middle of a huge recession which has a danger of turning into a depression and Vince wants more foreign workers. If they can't get the people they need from the EU (which includes plenty of low-wage states now), they the company in question in not viable and should give up.

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Could someone just show him a copy of the benefit figures and the unemployment figures and tell him to STFU?

In the middle of a huge recession which has a danger of turning into a depression and Vince wants more foreign workers. If they can't get the people they need from the EU (which includes plenty of low-wage states now), they the company in question in not viable and should give up.

How does France btw get away with the law that says French jobs for French people only, they have this crazy law which says if only you have scoured every nook and cranny of France and can prove beyond any doubt a french person can't do it then only then can you hire a non French person.

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For every qualified Indian migrant we import half a dozen useless peasants who will drain the NHS/schools/social services dry. We have moved to a significantly white area recently but when you go to the doctor's surgery you find its full of sickly foreigners. Vince can't do the maths, importing labour is offsetting costs from business to the taxpayer.

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Yes. Too many graduates with micky mouse degrees instead of hard sciences and engineering.

Thinking is too difficult for the poor things.

It is the same in the US - a significant mismatch between vacancies and job searchers. I read somewhere there are about 1/3 the number of vacancies as there are people out of work.

nonsense...you need to be a professor to be a van driver these days....those sat-navs....cant touch one until you have the piece of paper.

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Nah, there are just about enough Science, Technology and Engineering graduates I'd say. It's just that the salaries offered in more technical roles for a new graduate don't cover cost of living & paying off student loans & saving for a deposit on a house. So they go off into other sectors (banking for example or specialise into law or management). It's one of the advantages of having a numerate degree that can be used in a lot of careers.

Simple solution would be for the companies to pay more but that'll never happen.

The wage can only be determined by supply/demand, not by your or anyones idea of what's "right". Wages will go up if demand exceeds supply; Cable, like all tinkerers is the problem not the solution.

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For every qualified Indian migrant we import half a dozen useless peasants who will drain the NHS/schools/social services dry. We have moved to a significantly white area recently but when you go to the doctor's surgery you find its full of sickly foreigners. Vince can't do the maths, importing labour is offsetting costs from business to the taxpayer.

Absolutely true...immigration is actually a direct subsidy from the public purse to the bottom line of business.

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How does France btw get away with the law that says French jobs for French people only, they have this crazy law which says if only you have scoured every nook and cranny of France and can prove beyond any doubt a french person can't do it then only then can you hire a non French person.

It apparently is done here (for non EU types) I know of a construction project in the UK that had to get a Filipino in who had specialist skills (stop sniggering at the back) , but in order to get his work permit the contractor had to prove that the position had been advertised in the UK, and demonstrate that any indigenous applicants were grossly inferior to the Filipino.

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He's saying our unemployed skilled workers aren't cheap enough.

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Yup. Of course, they could be if housing costs were allowed to fall.

Nah, there are just about enough Science, Technology and Engineering graduates I'd say. It's just that the salaries offered in more technical roles for a new graduate don't cover cost of living & paying off student loans & saving for a deposit on a house. So they go off into other sectors (banking for example or specialise into law or management). It's one of the advantages of having a numerate degree that can be used in a lot of careers.

Simple solution would be for the companies to pay more but that'll never happen.

Another simple solution would be to let housing costs to fall.

They've forced the issue to some extent with interest rates, why not allow purchase prices and rents follow?

The wage can only be determined by supply/demand, not by your or anyones idea of what's "right". Wages will go up if demand exceeds supply; Cable, like all tinkerers is the problem not the solution.

Indeed.

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Cable is morphing into Mandelson with every passing day

Our political class - specifically the pro-banking pro-immigration pro-taxes for the little people pro-tax dodges for the wealthy/ multinationals - they need to be exterminated

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Has Cable learned nothing from the election debates?

Immigration is a major topic ; most people don't want unfettered immigration.

I notice the Grauniad have no comments section beneath the article - wonder why! :angry:

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It apparently is done here (for non EU types) I know of a construction project in the UK that had to get a Filipino in who had specialist skills (stop sniggering at the back) , but in order to get his work permit the contractor had to prove that the position had been advertised in the UK, and demonstrate that any indigenous applicants were grossly inferior to the Filipino.

Did it involve ping pong balls?

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This is just our high cost economy coming home to roost.

With high house prices, student debt, fuel prices, manipulated inflation indexes etc, people need higher wages just to live - let alone to enjoy and quality of life.

Im not particularly anti immigration - we have to compete on our own merits - but this policy of Vinces is just crazy when we should be looking at improving our own competitiveness.

Its obvious Vince has had his ear chewn off by companies in his role as business secretary. This is a move for business and not for the general economic health of the nation.

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How does France btw get away with the law that says French jobs for French people only, they have this crazy law which says if only you have scoured every nook and cranny of France and can prove beyond any doubt a french person can't do it then only then can you hire a non French person.

Crazy or genius? I remember when France was due to be flooded with cheap video recorders from the far east (some time ago admittedly), they made a regulation that all these imports should come in via one particular customs post. It was miles from anywhere and had just two members of customs staff to process the incoming goods which they did very slowly!, must say I admire the French in that respect their home grown electronics industry was protected for years by ruses such as this. :D

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The man has semeingly been on an anti-IT crusade since the election IMPO. I wonder if the big IT consultancies are the ones who are complaining to him about no longer being allowed to bring workers in?

If so, it stinks IMPO.

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The man has semeingly been on an anti-IT crusade since the election IMPO. I wonder if the big IT consultancies are the ones who are complaining to him about no longer being allowed to bring workers in?

If so, it stinks IMPO.

This should answer your question:

The televised Home office Immigration cap discussions are currently in progress:

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=6607

Take a look at the groups giving "evidence" cheap labour VI's all of them

Edited by madpenguin

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Cable is morphing into Mandelson with every passing day

Our political class - specifically the pro-banking pro-immigration pro-taxes for the little people pro-tax dodges for the wealthy/ multinationals - they need to be exterminated

Vince has clearly believed what he is told at City lunches.

The Westminster trap: he has lost touch with the people who put him there.

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The man has semeingly been on an anti-IT crusade since the election IMPO. I wonder if the big IT consultancies are the ones who are complaining to him about no longer being allowed to bring workers in?

If so, it stinks IMPO.

The big Consultancies, Banks and Hedge Funds spend a fortune on lobbying; why do you think they get massive government IT contracts despite repeated failures? Plus, of course, IT as an industry post-dates large scale union membership and is hence finding out about the usefulness of collective bargaining the hard way.

You wait till the ConDems start outsourcing even more services to 'save money'.

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The wage can only be determined by supply/demand, not by your or anyones idea of what's "right". Wages will go up if demand exceeds supply; Cable, like all tinkerers is the problem not the solution.

No, I agree with you, there is no reason for engineers or whoever to get the 'right' wages. Apologies if that doesn't come across.

What I'm saying is people are voting with their feet and going into more lucrative careers instead once they graduate. Hence to employers it looks like a lack of skills but really they are losing out to the competing industries. Their reply should be to raise the salary they are offering but instead they lobby the government for schemes such as this.

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Despite my comment above, I do concur with Vince to a degree about businesses not being able to find highly skilled people.

I keep in touch with a lot of recruitment agents. This week alone, 4 or 5 have moaned about not being able to find good people for numerate and technical roles that they have open.

I also know of businesses interviewing lots of people and not being able to find decent candidates.

These are all very highly paid roles (80k+), and to be honest, they really aren't rocket science. Yet so few people meet a bar of even medium height with very high rewards on offer.

There is certainly a problem, but one we should be looking at fixing internally.

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