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Take a look at the Wikipedia and BBC data on immigration into Britain and you will see something very interesting. The number of people living in Britain, but born abroad, totaled 5.5 million in 2001. A 2009 estimate suggests that 7.5% of the populace is now foreign born. Given half the population doesn't work, and most immigrants do work, it would appear around 15% of the workforce is foreign born. This is not a bad thing per see, but it shows how youth unemployment - which presumably results from a lack of jobs - is in fact partly aided by mass immigration. The data show that the demographic is generally non-Caucasian, and on a low income (80% of immigrant Indians are low earners - ergo 'service industry' and manufacturing workhorses). These immigrants are effectively doing the jobs that today's unemployed should be doing. The sad part is many - and I would guess most of the long term unemployed - would refuse to do what they see as menial work because they are the jobs that immigrants do - we are in a damaging feedback mechanism. Instead, the unemployed feel they have a right to live off welfare payments, and get national health support, despite having paid little or nothing in tax or national insurance. The system is broken and abused and needs drastic reforms.

One simple solution for youth unemployment is to reduce immigration under a visa system that brings in well educated and skilled workers who can fill shortage positions in government, banking, medicine, the law, management, and accountancy. That way we meet our social obligations to other nations who take our mostly skilled emigrants. In many cases, corporations have inflated wages and bonuses to levels that simply don't reflect the value added (in fact, in a couple of cases like banking, and private medicine, you could say they have done more damage than good to Britain).

Now that Cameron and Clegg have the bull by the horns, it's clear the welfare state needs reform led by massive spending cuts. There is no good reason why any person registered as long-term unemployed should receive benefits beyond say 12 mths. Not when the UK needs to import workers to clean hospitals, and sweep the streets. The law should require claimants move from benefits (aimed at helping them find work for a period of say 12 mts) to high demand low skills jobs - of which there are millions. If someone can't find a job, there is a reason for it and the market is telling us they need to lower their aspirations, at least while they re-skill during evenings and weekends and eventually prove they can match their aspirations. I see this all the time in the USA where mexicans work two jobs and manage to get through university. Hunger (in the literal sense) is a great motivator.

I for one, see no reason I should sit in an office 10 hours a day to ensure someone else dodges working.

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Take a look at the Wikipedia and BBC data on immigration into Britain and you will see something very interesting. The number of people living in Britain, but born abroad, totaled 5.5 million in 2001. A 2009 estimate suggests that 7.5% of the populace is now foreign born. Given half the population doesn't work, and most immigrants do work, it would appear around 15% of the workforce is foreign born. This is not a bad thing per see, but it shows how youth unemployment - which presumably results from a lack of jobs - is in fact partly aided by mass immigration. The data show that the demographic is generally non-Caucasian, and on a low income (80% of immigrant Indians are low earners - ergo 'service industry' and manufacturing workhorses). These immigrants are effectively doing the jobs that today's unemployed should be doing. The sad part is many - and I would guess most of the long term unemployed - would refuse to do what they see as menial work because they are the jobs that immigrants do - we are in a damaging feedback mechanism. Instead, the unemployed feel they have a right to live off welfare payments, and get national health support, despite having paid little or nothing in tax or national insurance. The system is broken and abused and needs drastic reforms.

One simple solution for youth unemployment is to reduce immigration under a visa system that brings in well educated and skilled workers who can fill shortage positions in government, banking, medicine, the law, management, and accountancy. That way we meet our social obligations to other nations who take our mostly skilled emigrants. In many cases, corporations have inflated wages and bonuses to levels that simply don't reflect the value added (in fact, in a couple of cases like banking, and private medicine, you could say they have done more damage than good to Britain).

Now that Cameron and Clegg have the bull by the horns, it's clear the welfare state needs reform led by massive spending cuts. There is no good reason why any person registered as long-term unemployed should receive benefits beyond say 12 mths. Not when the UK needs to import workers to clean hospitals, and sweep the streets. The law should require claimants move from benefits (aimed at helping them find work for a period of say 12 mts) to high demand low skills jobs - of which there are millions. If someone can't find a job, there is a reason for it and the market is telling us they need to lower their aspirations, at least while they re-skill during evenings and weekends and eventually prove they can match their aspirations. I see this all the time in the USA where mexicans work two jobs and manage to get through university. Hunger (in the literal sense) is a great motivator.

I for one, see no reason I should sit in grim office 10 hours a day to ensure someone else dodges working.

Oh god not another one of these threads.

If you want info on this sort of thing go read one of the old ones.

And above all delete this one.

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One simple solution for youth unemployment is to reduce immigration under a visa system that brings in well educated and skilled workers who can fill shortage positions in government, banking, medicine, the law, management, and accountancy. That way we meet our social obligations to other nations who take our mostly skilled emigrants. In many cases, corporations have inflated wages and bonuses to levels that simply don't reflect the value added (in fact, in a couple of cases like banking, and private medicine, you could say they have done more damage than good to Britain).

I for one, see no reason I should sit in grim office 10 hours a day to ensure someone else dodges working.

Perhaps other countries would like to meet their "social obligations" by taking a few million of our unskilled workers, in exchange for all the ones that arrive here.

And if you loathe your job, find another one, rather than projecting your misery on to other people. All those "job dodgers" while poor old you works away in a grim office. Perhaps you need some smack as in Trainspotting.

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Perhaps other countries would like to meet their "social obligations" by taking a few million of our unskilled workers, in exchange for all the ones that arrive here.

And if you loathe your job, find another one, rather than projecting your misery on to other people. All those "job dodgers" while poor old you works away in a grim office. Perhaps you need some smack as in Trainspotting.

Agreed, the only person in this universe responsible for your happiness contentment and fulfilment is YOURSELF. Heh I complained about my previous jobs and made moves to change my situation, I'm 4.5 months away from a huge change... I'm very bitter however for Mr Chong for leading me on about the Chippy though as if he hadn't my change would have been a good 8 months earlier.

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I for one, see no reason I should sit in grim office 10 hours a day to ensure someone else dodges working.

Just be glad you have a job. We're in a depression, most unemployment is involuntary and unwanted.

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Oh god not another one of these threads.

If you want info on this sort of thing go read one of the old ones.

And above all delete this one.

It is all very well complaining about threads like this but unless the number of people on benefits and employed in the public sector is drastically reduced the country is bankrupt.

This means that hundreds of thousands of jobs need to be created in the private sector and if the vast majority of these go to the unemployed from the rest of Europe and the world then again the country will go bankrupt.

People who moan about these threads should say what the alternative is.

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Just be glad you have a job. We're in a depression, most unemployment is involuntary and unwanted.

So how many of the 8 million people in this country who are economically inactive want a job then?

My guess would be way less than half - so most unemployment is actually voluntary.

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Would our youth do the jobs? I think we have a youth who has been convinced that they are intelligent and all round excellent. The reality is that is another one of those government scheme to make us all feel happy when the reality is that, inspite of everyone having degrees, the average is little above that of their parents.

We need to get it straight. 3As at A-level and a media studies degree does not make you especially bright and does not mean you have the right to some special job.

Now Parents generation

GCSE No equivalent

A-Level O-level

Mid-degree A-level

Degree Completed 1st yr of degree

PhD Degree

My time in academia firmly convinced me that our degree graduates would not be far ahead of those with A-level, 25 years ago.

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Would our youth do the jobs? I think we have a youth who has been convinced that they are intelligent and all round excellent. The reality is that is another one of those government scheme to make us all feel happy when the reality is that, inspite of everyone having degrees, the average is little above that of their parents.

We need to get it straight. 3As at A-level and a media studies degree does not make you especially bright and does not mean you have the right to some special job.

Now Parents generation

GCSE No equivalent

A-Level O-level

Mid-degree A-level

Degree Completed 1st yr of degree

PhD Degree

My time in academia firmly convinced me that our degree graduates would not be far ahead of those with A-level, 25 years ago.

Most employers want someone who will work 50hrs a week for minimum wage

Not sure that academic qualifications even enter into the equation TBH

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So how many of the 8 million people in this country who are economically inactive want a job then?

My guess would be way less than half - so most unemployment is actually voluntary.

So how many of the people who frequent HPC want a house then?

My guess would be the vast majority - so most non home-ownership is actually voluntary.

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So how many of the people who frequent HPC want a house then?

My guess would be the vast majority - so most non home-ownership is actually voluntary.

Whatever

Unless we come out of the EU and control immigration the number of people economically inactive will rise inexorably and the country will eventually go bust.

Unfortunately the ConLibs don't seem any more likely to do anything about this than the last lot.

The next 20 years are going to make the 70's and 80's seem like a vicars tea party IMO.

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Edited cos I missed a bit out??????

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People dont do these jobs because there is no point. You cannot afford a house, or a family working these jobs. This is why only 6 to a room, temporary migrants take them.

To change the situation, HPC might well go somflew ine way, but the government would do well to STOP F**CKING TAXING MINIMUM WAGES.

I expect investigating businesses that somehow manage to lay off UK staff and then fill those same offices/shop floors with people they flew in from India doing the same job might also help.

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Most employers want someone who will work 50hrs a week for minimum wage

Not sure that academic qualifications even enter into the equation TBH

Strangely they do, esp. for minimum wage jobs. Rung up about one today...Bog standard office job with some very repetitive parts to it. The agency said that the firm had rejected those with degrees...they obviously know that those with higher education experience would get instantly bored...It was only a two month contract FFS... I suspect that having a degree, whilst trying to get a minimum wage job is actually a hindrance.. My sister was rejected for a warehouse job because she had a degree.

The agency also mentioned a chap was previously earning £33k before being made redundant, but he had to significantly lower his sights..so he took a £6 an hour office job. How the hell can that bloke afford to take a hit like that, unless he was living in a caravan or something..

People dont do these jobs because there is no point. You cannot afford a house, or a family working these jobs. This is why only 6 to a room, temporary migrants take them.

To change the situation, HPC might well go somflew ine way, but the government would do well to STOP F**CKING TAXING MINIMUM WAGES.

I expect investigating businesses that somehow manage to lay off UK staff and then fill those same offices/shop floors with people they flew in from India doing the same job might also help.

Totally agree...Whats the point in a British national taking them?...The Polish take these jobs because they sleep five to a room, and they do some hard graft, with probably a lot of overtime. They send money home, and after a few years of doing this, they're fairly well off in Poland. For a crap paid British worker, they have nothing to look forward to...no pension, not being able to afford a house, can't afford to have a family (if they want one)... etc... You can get on your high-horse about work ethic etc.. but those are the facts.. I'm not surprised kids out there get off their heads during a weekend...

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The agency also mentioned a chap was previously earning £33k before being made redundant, but he had to significantly lower his sights..so he took a £6 an hour office job. How the hell can that bloke afford to take a hit like that, unless he was living in a caravan or something..

Yes **** working for that, if i were 22 offered such a crappy job, id chat up some immoral fertile looking lady, knock her up a couple of times and get myself a nice 3 bed council house with 70GBP a week rent.

At which point id then look into working 16 hours a week for a mates company at minimum wage so i could get maximum benefits, and work the rest of the week for cash in the hand.

Most these unemployed youngens are on the make somewhere or other, hence theyre not sat around watching Jeremy Kyle and This Morning.

Got to do whatever to survive these days.

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Totally agree...Whats the point in a British national taking them?...The Polish take these jobs because they sleep five to a room, and they do some hard graft, with probably a lot of overtime. They send money home, and after a few years of doing this, they're fairly well off in Poland. For a crap paid British worker, they have nothing to look forward to...no pension, not being able to afford a house, can't afford to have a family (if they want one)... etc... You can get on your high-horse about work ethic etc.. but those are the facts.. I'm not surprised kids out there get off their heads during a weekend...

Here what you're saying loud and clear. This situation is not going to change for decades. We need a HPC, bond crisis, whatever.

Plenty of jobs round here, bar work, Costa coffee, Peacocks, New Look, carer work etc. But nothing to get you on the "property ladder" or affording a family.

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Not sure that academic qualifications even enter into the equation TBH

Agreed. My social group are mostly PhD qualified. Low end jobs are impossible to get for the overqualification reasons and high end jobs are scarce and very frequently demand experience that a young person could not possibly have. Catch 22 really and a great demonstration of why all this education is, more often than not, a waste of time.

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Agreed. My social group are mostly PhD qualified. Low end jobs are impossible to get for the overqualification reasons and high end jobs are scarce and very frequently demand experience that a young person could not possibly have. Catch 22 really and a great demonstration of why all this education is, more often than not, a waste of time.

I know three unemployed people with PhDs (two in real sciences), one unemployed person with an Oxbridge maths degree and three people with bachelors degrees who are working in minimum wage jobs, all in their late twenties. They are the human price that is being paid to support the HPI Ponzi economy. Another month of 0.5% interest rates? Cheers Merv.

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Yes **** working for that, if i were 22 offered such a crappy job, id chat up some immoral fertile looking lady, knock her up a couple of times and get myself a nice 3 bed council house with 70GBP a week rent.

At which point id then look into working 16 hours a week for a mates company at minimum wage so i could get maximum benefits, and work the rest of the week for cash in the hand.

Most these unemployed youngens are on the make somewhere or other, hence theyre not sat around watching Jeremy Kyle and This Morning.

Got to do whatever to survive these days.

Welcome to Nu Labour's multicultural Socialist workers paradise.

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Strangely they do, esp. for minimum wage jobs. Rung up about one today...Bog standard office job with some very repetitive parts to it. The agency said that the firm had rejected those with degrees...they obviously know that those with higher education experience would get instantly bored...It was only a two month contract FFS... I suspect that having a degree, whilst trying to get a minimum wage job is actually a hindrance.. My sister was rejected for a warehouse job because she had a degree.

The agency also mentioned a chap was previously earning £33k before being made redundant, but he had to significantly lower his sights..so he took a £6 an hour office job. How the hell can that bloke afford to take a hit like that, unless he was living in a caravan or something..

Totally agree...Whats the point in a British national taking them?...The Polish take these jobs because they sleep five to a room, and they do some hard graft, with probably a lot of overtime. They send money home, and after a few years of doing this, they're fairly well off in Poland. For a crap paid British worker, they have nothing to look forward to...no pension, not being able to afford a house, can't afford to have a family (if they want one)... etc... You can get on your high-horse about work ethic etc.. but those are the facts.. I'm not surprised kids out there get off their heads during a weekend...

That's what has happened in my North West home town - much better place in the 80's

Infact the 80's will probably turn out to be its heyday.

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Most employers want someone who will work 50hrs a week for minimum wage

Not sure that academic qualifications even enter into the equation TBH

After completing my degree (I still need to pay to receive it mind you), I took up work at a local factory, working with working class, Eastern European & Russian (Latvian pasports) comrades. In 12 hours we'd shift about 25 tonne of meat each from a (24/7/364 moving) line to pallet, to warehouse, with the aid of pallets and a pump truck. 4 on 4 off. I did the 84 week a few times.

I enjoyed the job, it was very hard work, but I enjoyed it.

I didn't enjoy the agency paying me for 3 days instead of 4, not paying holiday pay, reducing my salary via a travel to work scheme, whereby they took my tax instead of hmrc giving me a penny of it back in the £, making me only slightly better off in the short term. What made me quit though, was them asking for us to work half shifts, if we had a low order, when they would employ people for a single day if we had a high order, before telling them there was no work, rather than offer overtime to existing staff struggling to get by. The newly arrived Latvians would come to work everyday and ask for it, because they are unable to claim benefits until they work a year then they can get working tax credit etc. in fact a friend I was working with, was 26 and claiming it, having been in the uk only 13 months, me being unable due to being under 25, even though I'd paid tax & NI for four years out of the past seven (with some part-time work in the three uni years), I could not.

I quit, £200 a week (up to - mising pay etc.) after paying £20 on buses, 14 hours travel and 42 hours working, wasn't worth it, when I can claim £140 benefits, visit the dentist etc.

By quitting, I made it possible for my friends to get overtime too :)

a single box of meat (we shifted minimum 1500 per shift, often 4000+) would fetch £50 when it got to the supermarket, it was equivalent to the wage for a 12 hour shift (tax ni and 15+30+15min break deducted). Day shift would drop nearly 10 a day, and had more staff, we seldom dropped 1 a day. The day I quit 30 were dropped! Any dropped were waste... 2 more staff and the supervisor quit too the following week on our shift. For the sake of trying to save £25, they lost 3 members of staff and minimum £1500 profit (in the meat lost as I walked out), let alone the others.

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To change the situation the government would do well to STOP F**CKING TAXING MINIMUM WAGES.

Spot on!

Collapse all benefits and state pensions into a negative income tax I say, with a high threshold to give a boost to the truly low paid.

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Spot on!

Collapse all benefits and state pensions into a negative income tax I say, with a high threshold to give a boost to the truly low paid.

I personally think this would be the best way. This is how people calculate the incentive to work.

Naturally

Benefits = 0

Work = -ve,0,+ve

Work must be greater than £Xph

Ideally = at least the price of a pint at your local

I'd work for a pint of beer, gladly. For a negative income I'll opt to sign on and use my time to brew my own.

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After completing my degree <snip>(For the sake of trying to save £25, they lost 3 members of staff and minimum £1500 profit (in the meat lost as I walked out), let alone the others.

Good post, the ab-fab* crowd, never see the pain/sweat/toil behind the scenes.

* http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=151186

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