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The Schiller shills, in this case.

What led this one? The MBA survey:

WASHINGTON, D.C. (September 15, 2010) — The Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) today released its Weekly Mortgage Applications Survey for the week ending September 10, 2010. The Market Composite Index, a measure of mortgage loan application volume, decreased 8.9 percent on a seasonally adjusted basis from one week earlier. This week's results include an adjustment to account for the Labor Day holiday. On an unadjusted basis, the Index decreased 27.4 percent compared with the previous week.

27% eh? That's pretty impressive! Do we call that "cliff-diving" yet?

This, despite....

The average contract interest rate for 30-year fixed-rate mortgages decreased to 4.47 percent from 4.50 percent,

In other words, rates are at or near all-time lows. It doesn't matter.

In response to this, Schiller was trotted out by CNBS, in which he said.... (listen in!)

Video at the link

Here's the problem with ths crap: It won't work.

And be careful listening to Mr. Schiller claiming that "this might not be a bad time to buy." Oh really?

What happens to real estate valuations when - not if - rates go up?

You don't buy things that are subject to financing when borrowing costs are low - you buy them when those costs are high!

Why?

Because it's the only way you can profit from capital appreciation linked to financing expense. When financing expense rises the capital value of an asset that is commonly financed falls.

This is finance 101 - something you should have been taught in High School and would have been, if it wasn't literally "High School" and instead was a place where you were expected to learn the skills necessary to succeed in life.

Incidentally, being rooked by this sort of "advice" is exactly what happened to all those bubble buyers who listened to Alan Greenspan in 2003 and ran out to buy - they too bought into the premise that "with historical low rates it's a great time to buy a house - with an ARM!" A few years later the tears were theirs and Greedscam skates, rather than being held to account for his terrible and in fact wealth-destroying advice.

Sleazer, er, Beazer Homes cut guidance on hew home sales in their trip to the confessional - should we be expecting a deluge of this in coming weeks?

Unadjusted that's one hell of a fall, but I suppose it will bounce back in next weeks figures especially as the recovery gains momentum...

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Time for me to drag out the old

“Whether it’s the sidelined, shadow or current inventory, the issue is there’s more supply than demand,” said Oliver Chang, a U.S. housing strategist with Morgan Stanley in San Francisco. “Once you reach a bottom, it will take three or four years for prices to begin to rise 1 or 2 percent a year.”

Yep.

In 2007 I've pointed this out - 2013 was the best case for a reasonable bottom, followed by income-level growth only thereafter.

For three years I have heard that "housing will be in shortage by 2010" (Cramer), "it's bottoming now" (many people, all through the last three years), and of course Benranke's famous claim that there was no bubble in the first place.

“The best thing that could happen is for prices to get to a level that clears the market,” said Shapiro, who predicts prices may fall another 10 percent to 15 percent. “Right now, buyers know it hasn’t hit bottom, so they’re sitting on the sidelines.”

Oh, how are we going to do that?

STOP TRYING TO KEEP PRICES FROM FALLING!

“The efforts to date have been worthwhile,” Blecher said in a telephone interview from Denver. “They both helped borrowers stay in their homes and kept that supply of distressed properties on the market somewhat limited.”

Sorry, but wrong.

Until housing bottoms the economy will not turn. It can't, because there are too many people in this country who have their entire net worth tied up in their house - or their net liability, as the case may be.

Until we clear the market these people who are upside down cannot move to places where there are jobs - and opportunity - because they're trapped in an underwater house. We would be far ahead to flush the pipeline and expedite bankruptcy for those people who are deeply underwater, along with the banks that are in over the heads.

Yes, it would hurt. For a short while.

But if we don't do it we're going to have a lost economic decade - or more.

Until we clear the market on a general basis, which means getting rid of about half of the total outstanding debt in the system, we cannot clear the economy.

This is the lesson of Japan. Despite all their screwing around once they blew a bubble in real estate their economy and market was done. They have not recovered precisely because they have not forced those who are underwater to eat the losses, along with those who lent the money to the underwater people and businesses.

As such the economy is stuck as people cannot move to meet and create opportunity, capital is frozen in mark-to-make-believe prices that have no economic value, it cannot trade at this inflated value (nobody's dumb enough to pay beyond true value any longer) and the entire economic engine becomes crippled and unable to accelerate.

The Nikkei, despite 3% moves when the Finance Ministry comes in and plays hell with the FX markets, is trading at about 30% of where it was at the peak. Despite many monstrous rallies it has never recovered its prior values, and has no indication it ever will.

The nation is literally drowning in debt. While the government and central bank continue to issue into a "favorable" environment nobody thinks the nation could pay if JGBs were to rise to, say, 4% interest. That would absorb all of their tax revenues - simply to cover the interest expense! If that happens, it's an instant "ka-boom" - and inevitably, it will happen.

We have the advantage of having watched Japan screw this up. We can therefore do it differently. But instead, what Bernanke and his pals, along with Congress and the President, are doing exactly what they did - extending, pretending, allowing people to lie and refuse to take the losses they already incurred.

Yeah, I know they're big losses. Yeah, I know they'd bankrupt most of the big banks. But we need a banking system, not individual banks. Where there is a vacuum in the banking system there will immediately be a new entrepreneur to enter the business, or existing smaller institutions who will step up and take over.

The charades being run now do not and cannot work.

I've been sounding this trumpet since 2007.

Now, three years later, you have a whole host of people from the finance and housing industry saying the same thing.

We could have saved the wasted three years and $4.5 trillion we've blown by listening earlier, but if we don't listen now, we will - at best - re-run the Japanese experience.

And that's if we're lucky.

Dennigers other little housing rant from today.

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Home Prices Drop in 36 States; Beazer Warns on Orders; 8 Million Foreclosure-Bound Homes to Hit the Market; Prices to Stagnate for a Decade

The small upward correction in home prices from multiple tax credit offerings died in July. Worse yet, inventory of homes for sale as well as shadow inventory both soared. 8 million foreclosure-bound homes have yet to hit the market according to Morgan Stanley.

Home Prices Drop in 36 States

CoreLogic reports Growing Number of Declining Markets Underscore Weakness in the Housing Market without Tax-Credit Support

CoreLogic Home Price Index Remained Flat in July

SANTA ANA, Calif., September 15, 2010 – CoreLogic (NYSE: CLGX), a leading provider of information, analytics and business services, today released its Home Price Index (HPI) that showed that home prices in the U.S. remained flat in July as transaction volumes continue to decline. This was the first time in five months that no year-over-year gains were reported. According to the CoreLogic HPI, national home prices, including distressed sales showed no change in July 2010 compared to July 2009. June 2010 HPI showed a 2.4 percent* year-over-year gain compared to June 2009.

"Although home prices were flat nationally, the majority of states experienced price declines and price declines are spreading across more geographies relative to a few months ago. Home prices fell in 36 states in July, nearly twice the number in May and the highest since last November when national home prices were declining," said Mark Fleming, chief economist for CoreLogic.

Methodology

The CoreLogic HPI incorporates more than 30 years worth of repeat sales transactions, representing more than 55 million observations sourced from CoreLogic industry-leading property information and its securities and servicing databases. The CoreLogic HPI provides a multi-tier market evaluation based on price, time between sales, property type, loan type (conforming vs. nonconforming), and distressed sales. The CoreLogic HPI is a repeat-sales index that tracks increases and decreases in sales prices for the same homes over time, which provides a more accurate "constant-quality" view of pricing trends than basing analysis on all home sales. The CoreLogic HPI provides the most comprehensive set of monthly home price indices and median sales prices available covering 6,208 ZIP codes (58 percent of total U.S. population), 572 Core Based Statistical Areas (85 percent of total U.S. population) and 1,027 counties (82 percent of total U.S. population) located in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

CoreLogic HPI Including Distressed Sales

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See the above article for additional charts

Beazer Homes Warns on Orders

The Wall Street Journal reports Beazer Homes Warns of Order Miss

Beazer Homes USA Inc. said Wednesday it might miss order expectations for its fiscal-fourth quarter, as it also cut estimates for the year's land and development spending, reflecting the sector's weakness following the expiration of home-buyer tax credits.

Last month, Beazer reported that its fiscal third-quarter loss was little changed because of a prior-year gain, while it reported a 73% surge in closings as buyers raced to qualify for the tax credit. Orders fell 33%.

Inventory Soars

Bloomberg reports U.S. Home Prices Face Three-Year Drop as Supply Gains

The slide in U.S. home prices may have another three years to go as sellers add as many as 12 million more properties to the market.

Shadow inventory -- the supply of homes in default or foreclosure that may be offered for sale -- is preventing prices from bottoming after a 28 percent plunge from 2006, according to analysts from Moody’s Analytics Inc., Fannie Mae, Morgan Stanley and Barclays Plc. Those properties are in addition to houses that are vacant or that may soon be put on the market by owners.

“Whether it’s the sidelined, shadow or current inventory, the issue is there’s more supply than demand,” said Oliver Chang, a U.S. housing strategist with Morgan Stanley in San Francisco. “Once you reach a bottom, it will take three or four years for prices to begin to rise 1 or 2 percent a year.”

Sales of new and existing homes fell to the lowest levels on record in July as a federal tax credit for buyers expired and U.S.

Rising supply threatens to undermine government efforts to boost the housing market as homebuyers wait for better deals. Further price declines are necessary for a sustainable rebound as a stimulus-driven recovery falters, said Joshua Shapiro, chief U.S. economist of Maria Fiorini Ramirez Inc., a New York economic forecasting firm

There were 4 million homes listed with brokers for sale as of July. It would take a record 12.5 months for those properties to be sold at that month’s sales pace, according to the Chicago-based Realtors group [National Association of Realtors].

“The best thing that could happen is for prices to get to a level that clears the market,” said Shapiro, who predicts prices may fall another 10 percent to 15 percent. “Right now, buyers know it hasn’t hit bottom, so they’re sitting on the sidelines.”

About 2 million houses will be seized by lenders by the end of next year, according to Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Analytics in West Chester, Pennsylvania. He estimates prices will drop 5 percent by 2013.

Douglas Duncan, chief economist for Washington-based Fannie Mae, said in a Bloomberg Radio interview last week that 7 million U.S. homes are vacant or in the foreclosure process. Morgan Stanley’s Chang said the number of bank-owned and foreclosure-bound homes that have yet to hit the market is closer to 8 million.

Defaulted mortgages as of July took an average 469 days to reach foreclosure, up from 319 days in January 2009. That’s an indication lenders -- with the help of the government loan modification programs -- are delaying resolutions and preventing the market from flooding with distressed properties, said Herb Blecher, senior vice president for analytics at LPS.

“The efforts to date have been worthwhile,” Blecher said in a telephone interview from Denver. “They both helped borrowers stay in their homes and kept that supply of distressed properties on the market somewhat limited.”

I disagree with Herb Blecher. I see little advantage stretching this mess out for a decade, and that is what the government seems hell-bent on doing. Everyone wants the government to "do something". Unfortunately tax credits stimulated the production of new homes, ultimately adding to inventory. Prices need to fall to levels where there is genuine demand.

The short-term rise in the Case-Shiller home price index and the CoreLogic HPI was a mirage that will soon vanish in the reality of an inventory of 8 million homes that must eventually hit the market.

Lost Decade

About 2 million houses will be seized by lenders by the end of next year, according to Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Analytics in West Chester, Pennsylvania. He estimates prices will drop 5 percent by 2013.

After reaching bottom, prices will gain at the historic annual pace of 3 percent, requiring more than 10 years to return to their peak, he said.

Home Price Pressures

* We are going to have structurally high unemployment for a decade.

* The debt deflation unwind may take another 5 years or longer.

* Downward pressures on wages still exist.

* Credit conditions reached a secular peak of absurdity that will not occur again for multiple decades.

* The Shopping Center Economic Model Is History.

* Retiring boomers hoping to downsize lifestyle will add to supply of upper end homes.

* Student debt will inhibit family formation for years to come. Please see How Student Debt Wrecks Marriages, Inhibits Family Formation, and Delays the Housing Recovery for details.

Last Bubble Not Reblown

After the bottom is found, remember the axiom: the last bubble is not reblown for decades. Look at the Nasdaq, still off more than 50% from a decade ago.

The odds home prices return to their peak in 10 years is close to zero. Houses in bubble areas may never return to peak levels in existing owner's lifetimes. Zandi is way overoptimistic in his assessment of 3% annual appreciation after the bottom is found.

Price Stagnation

I expect small nominal increases after housing bottoms, but negative appreciation in real terms as inflation picks up in the second half of the decade. Yes, deflation will eventually end. Alternatively the US goes in and out of deflation for a decade (depending on how much the Fed and Congress acts to prevent a much needed bottom). Either way, look for price stagnation in one form or another.

Thus, if you have come to the conclusion there is no good reason to hold on to a deeply underwater home, nor any reason to rush into a home purchase at this time, you have reached the right conclusions.

Hyperinflation? Please be serious.

When Will Housing Bottom?

Flashback October 25, 2007: When Will Housing Bottom?

On the basis of mortgage rate resets and a consumer led recession I mentioned a possible bottom in the 2011-2012 timeframe. See Housing - The Worst Is Yet To Come for more details.

Let's take a look at housing from another perspective: new home sales historic averages and housing from 1963 to present.

New Home Sales 1963 - Present

New home sales reached a cyclical high in 2004-2005 approximately 50-60% higher than previous peaks.This happened in spite of a slowdown in population growth and household formation as compared to the 1960-1980 timeframe.

From 1997-1998 and 2001-2002 to the recent peak, the average sales level was 1.1 million units, or 45-50% higher than the 40 year average. This translates to an average of 300,000-400,000 excess homes for nearly a decade, and arguably as many as 3-4 million excess homes.

Such excess inventory may require as many as 5-7 years at recessionary average sales to absorb this inventory.

Cycle Excesses Greatest In History

The excesses of the current cycle have never been greater in history. The odds are strong that we have seen secular as opposed to cyclical peaks in housing starts and new single family home construction. With that in mind it is highly unlikely we merely return to the trend. If history repeats, and there is every reason it will, we are going to undercut those long term trendlines.

There will be additional pressures a few years down the road when empty nesters and retired boomers start looking to downsize. Who will be buying those McMansions? Immigration also comes into play. If immigration policies and protectionism get excessively restrictive, that can also lengthen the decline.

Finally, note that the current boom has lasted well over twice as long as any other. If the bust lasts twice as long as any other, 2012 just might be a rather optimist target for a bottom.

When I wrote that in 2007, most thought I was off my rocker. Now, based on inventory, I may have been far too optimistic.

An interesting post from Mish to add to the mix.

It would appear we are no where near bottom.

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