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Of course the most vocal opposition comes from those most removed from the present pointy-headed, intellectual, toffee nosed liberals that you most admire. I don't share your aspirations to become one of those who keep us all in our place so I don't care if she is against masturbation or is a Christian or if she prefers babies to three toed-tree frogs. I only care that we get rid of the present ruling elite . . . your lot!

Hate to break it to you, but Labour *lost* the election..

I'm also slightly worried that you think that intelligence is a bad thing in politicians.

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I don't really care who funds a political party as long as they honour the promises made to the electorate as best they can.

it may have escaped your notice but without moeny,you're politically impotent on the whole.

so some rich person eg the bookie who funds UKIP(Alan Bown I think).I don't care.I want control of our borders back from the parasites in Brussels.I want our country back.period.

They won't

The Tea Party movement is a serious threat to the plutocracy running America and they don't like it one little bit.

The people funding the TPM now will subvert it, tame it and bring it within the the political mainstream. Why else do you think Sarah Palin is now considered to be the voice of the TPM? They have already co-opted it for themselves just as the socialists hijacked the conservative party here in the UK and turned it into NuLabour Lite.

Sarah Palin is ghastly and Christine O'Donnell is no better.

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By and large, I'd prefer it if politicians would keep their hands off this particular subject. Probably a good idea if they keep their mouths shut when it comes to oral sex as well.

I lol'ed. :lol: (and had some explaining to do...)

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Ignore all the tax cutting, government spending cutting rhetoric of the Tea Party people, it is just what the US Republicans say when they are in opposition, when they get in it will be same old, same old. Newt Gingrich and the contract with America was what they produced last time, all about tax cuts and cutting government spending, all of which never happened when they got in power.

As the great orator George Bush once said, "fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.".

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The Tea Party movement is a serious threat to the plutocracy running America and they don't like it one little bit.

The scary thing is that this idea has merit.

I think you need to write what this guy has to say on the matter.. there is an entire free book there, which I think is important for everyone regardless of where they think of themselves on the political spectrum.

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

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O'Donnell, who is pro-gun, anti-abortion, fiscally conservative

Uh-oh. Bush was a fiscal conservative too, so was Reagan. The americans use the term 'fiscal conservative' in the same way as Gordon used 'prudent'

Basically, what she's saying is she'll borrow and spend like theres no tomorrow.

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Not really that contentious. Aristotle wrote a treatise on government in Ancient Times, and identified three governmental types - monarchy, aristocracy and democracy ie government by one, a few, and many. And then went further to identify a debased form of each - tyranny, oligarchy and mob rule.

And then he said that monarchy was the best form of government - ie a benevolent and competent dictator - however tyranny was the worst. While democracy was the worst form of government and mob rule the least bad of the debased ones. He even defined "debased" as serving a part of the nation rather than the whole of the nation - in the case of tyranny serving the tyrant, in the case of oligarchy the rich, and in the case of mob rule, the indigent (oh, how accurate he was eh? :ph34r: )

He went into a lot more detail than this of course, but his conclusion that government should take elements of all three, and so you have the modern mixed constitution, and they would counter one anothers weaknesses. You see in the UK - monarchy, aristocracy (Lords) and democracy (Commons) and in the US as well. The US founding fathers were fairly open about Aristotle being one of their inspirations.

So, the benevolent dictator thing has been acknowledged for millenia.

I suppose Aristotle might argue that the UK once had a perfect mixed constitution but it's since became wholly democratic, and then lapsed into the debased form.

+1

It’s the meddling of this ideal mix of power systems in the UK by the left-wing which has driven this country down the road to destitution. This country has endured many blood-less revolutions throughout history but I fear we are at the cusp of our bloodiest yet.

You are a credit to this forum.

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O'Donnell, who is pro-gun, anti-abortion, fiscally conservative

Uh-oh. Bush was a fiscal conservative too, so was Reagan. The americans use the term 'fiscal conservative' in the same way as Gordon used 'prudent'

Basically, what she's saying is she'll borrow and spend like theres no tomorrow.

But only on things like corporate subsidy, tax cuts for the top 0.1% and big shiny bits of military equipment, don't worry.

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I don't really care who funds a political party as long as they honour the promises made to the electorate as best they can.

it may have escaped your notice but without moeny,you're politically impotent on the whole.

so some rich person eg the bookie who funds UKIP(Alan Bown I think).I don't care.I want control of our borders back from the parasites in Brussels.I want our country back.period.

What, so you have no problem with a funders whose real aim is to reduce the tax bill of billionaires? They stop the mexicans 'invading' America and get a 20 billion per year tax cut as a thank you, and wreak the US even further with more pollution.

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Reading the comments, i dont get Guardian readers. I completely agree Christians and religious folk are a 'bit dumb', and yet, at the same time, i dont see any campaign to stop muslims becoming MPs. On the contrary, the left want MORE muslims in parliament of all things.

Thats what scares me about the left in this country. So absorbed and vigilant are they to the almost non-existent threat of Victorian and christian values installing themselves into the halls of government, they are blind to the looming Islamic theocracy likely to assert inself in Britain over the next few decades. See how much 'control' women get over their bodies then.

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We have seen many examples of people being driven by some sort of religion to gain power or change things.

Hitler is a prime example of religious fervour with a belief system (aka "religion") based on Wagnerian mythology and Biblical persecution of the Jewish race.

Oliver Cromwell, whom I admire, was driven by a zeal to purify government and society and to rid it of corrupt Kings and their sycophants (unwell Elephants) (Puritan Ethic religion).

Uncle Joe Stalin was driven by the idea of total conformity and worship of the leader (Fascism with a socialist bent).

The Moslem leaders who wage Jihad are similarly dirven by religious zeal based on the system of belief that the world should conform to their system of rule by VI Mullahs. No different to the pre-Mohammed days of the Persian and Babylonians Empires--same religion--different label-same objective: world domination

Many in the US are driven by a religious set of values based on the revolutionary spirit of 1776 and the idea that governments should fear the people (hence the religion of bearing arms against government).

I fail to see how religion (belief system adhered to and practised in a systematic way) can be avoided.

You chose your religion and go for it!

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We have seen many examples of people being driven by some sort of religion to gain power or change things.

Hitler is a prime example of religious fervour with a belief system (aka "religion") based on Wagnerian mythology and Biblical persecution of the Jewish race.

Oliver Cromwell, whom I admire, was driven by a zeal to purify government and society and to rid it of corrupt Kings and their sycophants (unwell Elephants) (Puritan Ethic religion).

Uncle Joe Stalin was driven by the idea of total conformity and worship of the leader (Fascism with a socialist bent).

The Moslem leaders who wage Jihad are similarly dirven by religious zeal based on the system of belief that the world should conform to their system of rule by VI Mullahs. No different to the pre-Mohammed days of the Persian and Babylonians Empires--same religion--different label-same objective: world domination

Many in the US are driven by a religious set of values based on the revolutionary spirit of 1776 and the idea that governments should fear the people (hence the religion of bearing arms against government).

I fail to see how religion (belief system adhered to and practised in a systematic way) can be avoided.

You chose your religion and go for it!

Are you saying that HPC could be a religion?

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I fail to see how religion (belief system adhered to and practised in a systematic way) can be avoided.

Most religions also include some belief in the supernatural.

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have you read through the history on living in fascist nations - life not really worth living.

If you were an ordinary German (not Slav, Jewish, mentally handicapped or homosexual) living through Hitler's time in office you would be unlikely to be bothered by the Gestapo.

However, virtually anyone in Stalin's Russia was liable to be arrested, tortured, shot or thrown in the camps.

This is not to excuse Hitler but there was a random quality to the Terror in Russia that was not present in Nazi Germany.

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If you were an ordinary German (not Slav, Jewish, mentally handicapped or homosexual) living through Hitler's time in office you would be unlikely to be bothered by the Gestapo.

However, virtually anyone in Stalin's Russia was liable to be arrested, tortured, shot or thrown in the camps.

This is not to excuse Hitler but there was a random quality to the Terror in Russia that was not present in Nazi Germany.

My grandmother was german. All she can remember from the war years was holidays in the alps and lots of dancing! Admittedly the flat they lived in was Bombed while they were living somewhere else, but it seems amazingly rosy compared to the misery of Britain we get told of in the war years. Though I think her family was in a very good position before the war as they got paid in Dollars and not devalued BrownpoundsMarks. And she had a Jewish surname too, and a fairly large nose, no one tried to gas her or throw rotten eggs at her to my knowledge.

Like they say, history is written by the winners.

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My grandmother was german. All she can remember from the war years was holidays in the alps and lots of dancing! Admittedly the flat they lived in was Bombed while they were living somewhere else, but it seems amazingly rosy compared to the misery of Britain we get told of in the war years. Though I think her family was in a very good position before the war as they got paid in Dollars and not devalued BrownpoundsMarks. And she had a Jewish surname too, and a fairly large nose, no one tried to gas her or throw rotten eggs at her to my knowledge.

Like they say, history is written by the winners.

They sound very much like a special case to me. By 1945 every major German city was pretty much rubble thanks to Bomber Harris. That must've sucked if you lived in one. "A Woman in Berlin" is quite a depressing read, thats about life in Berlin in 1945.

My father did national service in Germany in the late 40s/early 50s, and he said the Germans were in a terrible state where he was posted. Very great hardship.

And in WW1 a million German civilians starved to death due to the RN blockade, and the blockade went on into 1919 even as people were dying like flies over there. The average Jerry didn't have a fun time in either world war, it seems to me.

Jerry did a top job post-war in rebuilding though, unlike us.

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Bit worrying here that people seem to be supporting both the tea party movement and the principle of dictatorship, and seeking to minimise the problems of dictatorship even when, (rather ridiculously) talking about Nazi Germany.

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Bit worrying here that people seem to be supporting both the tea party movement and the principle of dictatorship, and seeking to minimise the problems of dictatorship even when, (rather ridiculously) talking about Nazi Germany.

Read the book at the link I gave..

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Bit worrying here that people seem to be supporting both the tea party movement and the principle of dictatorship, and seeking to minimise the problems of dictatorship even when, (rather ridiculously) talking about Nazi Germany.

Well, not me, if you mean me!

Supporting the principle of a mixed constitution, yeah.

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The Republican Party is going to implode on its own Libertarian/Teabagging/Christian Nutso extremism in the next decade, they have a surge of support behind them but they'll burn themselves out by antagonising everybody else and get bogged down in vicious ideological infighting.

In Britain we will not get UKIP in the next couple of decades, but perhaps something like a BNP/Old Labour hybrid vs. the Liberal Democrats and even more leftwing Conservatives.

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We have seen many examples of people being driven by some sort of religion to gain power or change things.

Hitler is a prime example of religious fervour with a belief system (aka "religion") based on Wagnerian mythology and Biblical persecution of the Jewish race.

Oliver Cromwell, whom I admire, was driven by a zeal to purify government and society and to rid it of corrupt Kings and their sycophants (unwell Elephants) (Puritan Ethic religion).

Uncle Joe Stalin was driven by the idea of total conformity and worship of the leader (Fascism with a socialist bent).

The Moslem leaders who wage Jihad are similarly dirven by religious zeal based on the system of belief that the world should conform to their system of rule by VI Mullahs. No different to the pre-Mohammed days of the Persian and Babylonians Empires--same religion--different label-same objective: world domination

Many in the US are driven by a religious set of values based on the revolutionary spirit of 1776 and the idea that governments should fear the people (hence the religion of bearing arms against government).

I fail to see how religion (belief system adhered to and practised in a systematic way) can be avoided.

You chose your religion and go for it!

to be a leader you have to be seen to beleive in something.

cant find anywhere in the bible that says its a sin to masturbate though. even the famous Onan didnt..he was supposed to "lay with" his dead brothers sister and give her heirs for the dead brothers family, but Onan "spent his seed" on the ground.

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Have you read through the history of many revolutions? Most people involved die badly. It is usually pretty terrible for anyone in the country involved.

The trick is for the proles to stop murdering their cousins, relatives, each other in firefights and target & eliminate the few elites who demand the fights/wars in the first place - on both sides.

Target their houses, their incestuous families and get rid of them - once they learn this they will learn to behave.

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Shes right though, masturbation is a sin. What you have to realise is that each individual sperm is a potential baby Jesus.

To be honest Lucifer I'm not sure you don't have a bit of grudge against old JC here, after what his dad did .

What I find bizzare about the american right is how deeply concerned they are for unborn children while being fanatically opposed to any social programme designed to benefit those children who actually have been born. How does that work exactly?

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    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


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