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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/20/bnp-schools-nasuwt-far-right

The teachers' union NASUWT has been campaigning for the last four years for an amendment to the teachers' contract to prevent those who are members of the BNP and other far-right fascist organisations from being employed as teachers.

Our proposal for a contractual change for teachers would ensure that children and young people were protected from exposure to their vile views

My son has just started a politics A level at college. His lecturer, in his introduction, split everyone into left, right and centre views and had them seated accordingly. He then said that the lectures would involve discussion and debate but stressed that anyone who supported the view of the BNP 'he would crush'. Having reviewed some of the material he is required to study it is obvious that there is a heavy slant towards promoting socialism with the material having many digs at the Conservatives. Overall, the politics A level course he is required to study is a recruitment drive for socialism.

Seems to me the NASUWT should be concerned about ANY teacher pushing their own political agenda on pupils. Will make for an interesting parents evening I think.

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Seems to me the NASUWT should be concerned about ANY teacher pushing their own political agenda on pupils. Will make for an interesting parents evening I think.

I'm afraid this is likely to be endemic in the education system. I suspect it's why Labour floated the idea of reducing the voting age to 16 - after virtually their whole life of leftist/liberal brainwashing the 16-18 year olds were only ikely to vote one way, after all.

They start them young too. My (two year old) daughter's nursery recently had an event to mark the start of Ramadan, this "formed part of our Early Years Foundation Stage (Birth to Five) planning, which encourages schools and nurseries to demonstrate that children have the awareness and understanding of different beliefs and cultures from their own." The newsetter picture, of smiling little white children done up in Islamic garb, made my blood run cold.

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Not sure what efdemin means by that smiley?

I'm afraid this is likely to be endemic in the education system.

Is there any UK institution the long-marchers haven't infiltrated and taken over?

I suspect it's why Labour floated the idea of reducing the voting age to 16

"If you're old enough to fist you're old enough to vote" - a slogan fit only for NuLab.

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It was my reaction to the first two posts. I wasn't sure if I was reading the Daily Mail or HPC.

OK, I've read the first two posts back and didn't find anything particularly hysterical; just anecdotal evidence of political meddling in the education system to promote a certain world view that not everybody might agree with.

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OK, I've read the first two posts back and didn't find anything particularly hysterical; just anecdotal evidence of political meddling in the education system to promote a certain world view that not everybody might agree with.

What, keeping extreme views out of education? Sounds reasonable to me, as long as its evenly applied to all extremes.

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What, keeping extreme views out of education? Sounds reasonable to me, as long as its evenly applied to all extremes.

Exactly. But I find the promotion of Islam - in a nursery school, of all places - as reprehensible as you would the promotion of far-right views. Yet one is part of the national curriculum and one is rightly outlawed.

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Exactly. But I find the promotion of Islam - in a nursery school, of all places - as reprehensible as you would the promotion of far-right views. Yet one is part of the national curriculum and one is rightly outlawed.

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FFS. But teaching nursery age children all about Christmas and Easter is ok, yeah? You do realise you're being a hypocrite?

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FFS. But teaching nursery age children all about Christmas and Easter is ok, yeah? You do realise you're being a hypocrite?

FWIW I despise hypocrisy, I beleive it's the very worst human trait.

Having said that, I think a limited Christmas celebration is OK as its a pretty unavoidable part of British culture, the kids enjoy it, and you don't need to dwell on the religious aspect which has been pretty much lost now anyway. Easter I couldn't give two hoots if they didn't bother. I fully believe that the education system should be entirely secular. The fact that Blair was still promoting faith schools as the way forward at the beginning of the 21st century just goes to show how much of a dangerous lunatic he was. In my opinion, naturally. But then I don't think that people with any kind of religious conviction actually realise how ridiculous those convictions can appear to those of us who don't share them.

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FFS. But teaching nursery age children all about Christmas and Easter is ok, yeah? You do realise you're being a hypocrite?

So, just as a matter of curiosity, how many countries where the dominant religion is non christian - say muslim - teach their kids at school about religious festivals? Of those how many cover off Christmas and Easter?

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The teachers' union NASUWT has been campaigning for the last four years for an amendment to the teachers' contract to prevent those who are members of the BNP and other far-right fascist organisations from being employed as teachers.

True to form, the teachers unions are blind to the irony of their own bigoted intolerance of differing views.

Seems to me the NASUWT should be concerned about ANY teacher pushing their own political agenda on pupils. Will make for an interesting parents evening I think.

Yep, sounds like a fair summary. Membership of any organisation[1] should not be a problem. Pushing an agenda should. Important distinction there.

[1] except possibly the catholic church.

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So, just as a matter of curiosity, how many countries where the dominant religion is non christian - say muslim - teach their kids at school about religious festivals? Of those how many cover off Christmas and Easter?

I don't mean that they should be taught all the details, but at least be aware of it and what it means (e.g. the fasting for Ramadan). Otherwise you leave a gap in knowledge that extremists, at either end, can exploit by forcing in their own interpretations.

I also don't think comparing our situation to that in another country is very helpful. Do you want to drag us down to their level or aspire to a more open society? There are plenty of countries where 2 or 3 religions co-exist. Malaysia is majority muslim but also has large Chinese and Hindu societies. Maybe quite a few Buddhists and Christian as well - not surprising given its history and location.

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This thread seems to have drifted well away from its topic. I know this is OT, but seriously folks, try to maintain some focus.

As far as teachers pushing an ideology onto 6th formers - I wouldn't worry, the switched on students will know this and it will help them develop arguments on the other side. It's helpful to meet delusional people early on in life, but preferably after you've learnt the art science of critical thinking.

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Is that the wrong Focus? :P

What are you doing?

This thread is about teachers pushing their [left-wing] biases on our 16-18 year old kids. What do you think it is about?

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There must be an extreme left wing group that is also being excluded. Some extreme environmental or animal group that justify violence, intimidation etc.

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Libertarian socialism (sometimes called social anarchism,[1][2] and sometimes left libertarianism[3][4]) is a group of political philosophies which promote a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic, stateless society without private property in the means of production. Libertarian socialism is opposed to all coercive forms of social organization, and promotes free association in place of government and opposes the alleged coercive social relations of capitalism, such as wage labor. The term libertarian socialism is used by some socialists to differentiate their philosophy from state socialism[5][6] or as a synonym for socialist anarchism.[1][2][7]

Adherents of libertarian socialism assert that a society based on freedom and equality can be achieved through abolishing authoritarian institutions which control certain means of production and subordinate the majority to an owning class or political and economic elite.[8] Libertarian socialism also constitutes a tendency of thought that informs the identification, criticism and practical dismantling of illegitimate authority in all aspects of life.

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I was having a bit of fun.

Sorry, I'll take it off.

Thanks - no biggie. (You're right that Malaysia is not a good example of multi-c "inclusiveness" btw.)

Now, about those teachers, eh? :lol:

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I don't see any left wing bias much, If there is, it is not having much effect. So in my opinion brain washing no. Moral panic yes. We don't live in the age of left wing rhetoric, I think it died with Michael Foot

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So, just as a matter of curiosity, how many countries where the dominant religion is non christian - say muslim - teach their kids at school about religious festivals? Of those how many cover off Christmas and Easter?

what about the ones that don't do any?

it certainly could be part of a communist plot to destory ALL religeons(especially the abrahamic) by subtly manipulating (interpretations) of scripture.....in an attempt to mutually exterminate all of them by proxy(the zealots unwittingly falling into the trap of becoming the proxies)

...and then come up with the synthesis....ie(our brand of new pseudo-atheism) will keep you all safe.

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http://www.guardian....asuwt-far-right

My son has just started a politics A level at college. His lecturer, in his introduction, split everyone into left, right and centre views and had them seated accordingly. He then said that the lectures would involve discussion and debate but stressed that anyone who supported the view of the BNP 'he would crush'. Having reviewed some of the material he is required to study it is obvious that there is a heavy slant towards promoting socialism with the material having many digs at the Conservatives. Overall, the politics A level course he is required to study is a recruitment drive for socialism.

Seems to me the NASUWT should be concerned about ANY teacher pushing their own political agenda on pupils. Will make for an interesting parents evening I think.

The GREEN movement is Fascistic and the kids are force fed Vegetarianism, Climate Change and other politicised crap from Kinder-garden!

Its covert Egyptology Worship/Culturing!

GREEN FEKKIN Shoots (rammed down yer throat) - remember?

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This thread seems to have drifted well away from its topic. I know this is OT, but seriously folks, try to maintain some focus.

As far as teachers pushing an ideology onto 6th formers - I wouldn't worry, the switched on students will know this and it will help them develop arguments on the other side. It's helpful to meet delusional people early on in life, but preferably after you've learnt the art science of critical thinking.

Ahh - but the elites look at who has been taken furthest in the gullibility stakes, further UNI indoctrination then promote them furthest and fastest to do their dirty work for them!

That's mainly how it works!

Look how Lord *****a + wife indoctrinated their daughter Kirsty with 'housing' & how she appeared from nowhere to TV propagandist!

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What, keeping extreme views out of education? Sounds reasonable to me, as long as its evenly applied to all extremes.

Your definition of an extreme view depends on where you stand.

I find EU membership (of the current EU, not the original Treaty of Rome idea of a trade body) a lunatic surrender of Britain's right to self-determination to Brussels and think that anybody who supports continuing membership is a dangerous extremist who should, indeed, be "crushed".

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God, my 6th form lessons sound really dull in comparison to the OP. i'm amazed the teacher has any time to deviate from the syllabus and encourage discussion/debate - we haven't on the courses I run.

Mind you, as we never got cash thrown at us by the Labour party (deprived but non-urban LD voting area), we are operating with minimum staffing and maximum bums on seats.

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FFS. But teaching nursery age children all about Christmas and Easter is ok, yeah? You do realise you're being a hypocrite?

How many suicide bomber Santy clauses and easter bunnies have you seen lately?!

The above two are exercises in marketing and consumerism, not religious BS, anyway.

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