More Police Brutality

[BoomBoom]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309136/Lifted-like-rag-doll-hurled-cell-Shocking-video-police-brutality--5ft-2in-tall-59-year-woman.html

I suppose she should be grateful he didn't rape her and dumper body in a lake. I mean clearly the police force is now actively recruiting violent psycopaths.

[Wahoo]

http://www.dailymail...year-woman.html

I suppose she should be grateful he didn't rape her and dumper body in a lake. I mean clearly the police force is now actively recruiting violent psycopaths.

What did she expect? She was arrested for sleeping in her car.

This is a pretty serious offence

She was lucky not to have been put in a hole in the ground and have stones chucked at her, by people with sheets over their heads.

Nice work Mr Pig.

[Guest eight]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309136/Lifted-like-rag-doll-hurled-cell-Shocking-video-police-brutality--5ft-2in-tall-59-year-woman.html

I suppose she should be grateful he didn't rape her and dumper body in a lake. I mean clearly the police force is now actively recruiting violent psycopaths.

Interesting that in this and other cases where Police have killed people by dangerous driving that they have pleaded not guilty, despite the existence of damning CCTV evidence. Lesser mortals would generally be criticised by the judge for putting the victims through the ordeal of a trial in what is to all intents and purposes an open and shut case.

eight

[Guest UK Debt Slave]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309136/Lifted-like-rag-doll-hurled-cell-Shocking-video-police-brutality--5ft-2in-tall-59-year-woman.html

I suppose she should be grateful he didn't rape her and dumper body in a lake. I mean clearly the police force is now actively recruiting violent psycopaths.

I know it's only the Daily Hysteria but Hells bells, that is a shocker

[dark passenger]

I'm appalled there doesn't appear to be any mention of now much her house is worth.

[The Masked Tulip]

Sentenced on Tuesday - should be interesting.

[Orsino]

The incident happened in July 2008. It's only 2 years for the wheels of justice to grind into action. Mind you, at least someone had the sense to at least charge this guy with assault before the six-month limit was up, unlike the thug that killed Ian Tomlinson.

[6538]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309136/Lifted-like-rag-doll-hurled-cell-Shocking-video-police-brutality--5ft-2in-tall-59-year-woman.html

I suppose she should be grateful he didn't rape her and dumper body in a lake. I mean clearly the police force is now actively recruiting violent psycopaths.

Well, it shows that they had at least one violent psychopath. Don't forget the fact that it was another copper who immediately reported the incident and who was the main prosecution witness. Also, lets not forget that he's been convicted and is awaiting sentence. Personally, they can chuck the key away as far as I'm converned.

Also, reading between the lines here; she's found asleep in her car, in the early hours, on a rural road, 150 yards from home, after having made several lengthy (rambling??) phone calls and had managed to drain the battery on the car (and the phone) because the heater was left on full blast (probably the engine too then) in mid-summer. A car heater on full blast, music and engine running didn't wake her up? I'm not saying she was p1ssed - there is probably a perfectly rational explanation for those facts (can't think of one though) - but, on balance, what's the most likely reason for them?

If she was p1ssed and had caused an accident resulting in a family being wiped out then would many people mind if she'd copped a bit of a slap in the cells?

[Stay Beautiful]

She was listening to Van Morrison. I think she got off lightly.

[The Masked Tulip]

Well, it shows that they had at least one violent psychopath. Don't forget the fact that it was another copper who immediately reported the incident and who was the main prosecution witness. Also, lets not forget that he's been convicted and is awaiting sentence. Personally, they can chuck the key away as far as I'm converned.

Also, reading between the lines here; she's found asleep in her car, in the early hours, on a rural road, 150 yards from home, after having made several lengthy (rambling??) phone calls and had managed to drain the battery on the car (and the phone) because the heater was left on full blast (probably the engine too then) in mid-summer. A car heater on full blast, music and engine running didn't wake her up? I'm not saying she was p1ssed - there is probably a perfectly rational explanation for those facts (can't think of one though) - but, on balance, what's the most likely reason for them?

If she was p1ssed and had caused an accident resulting in a family being wiped out then would many people mind if she'd copped a bit of a slap in the cells?

What she may or may not have done has no bearing on the violent assault on her.

Why has it taken 2 years to come to trial? Was this guy this in work during this time? Was he still being paid as a sergeant?

I hope they throw the book at him and make an example of him. Terrible act of violence against a woman in her late 50s.

[6538]

Yes I would mind. Violence against the public by the people who are paid to uphold the law is never justified. I wonder if the "brave" cop concerned would have slapped about someone of his own size and gender?

I'd mind too, for the reasons you state. However, if she had been responsible for some innocent family being killed then far fewer people woulod have minded. It would be unlikley to have been a spash in the Wail, let's face it.

[6538]

What she may or may not have done has no bearing on the violent assault on her.

Why has it taken 2 years to come to trial? Was this guy this in work during this time? Was he still being paid as a sergeant?

I hope they throw the book at him and make an example of him. Terrible act of violence against a woman in her late 50s.

Again, agreed entirely. Let's not tip-toe around the niceities of the situation here though - the woman was pissed off her tree, you know it, I know it, it's plainly obvious. This is what the paper is trying to say without actually libelling her. This is what papers do, other half is a journo and she does just the same sort of thing all the time.

No idea why it took so long to get to trial but it probably wasn't a traightforward case. She was initially charged with failing to supply so there would have been issues about which trial happened first. Also, there may have been trial of others involved.

Agree with the last sentence, terrible act of violence against her. However, many people who say that now would not say the same he she copped a slap or two after wiping out an innocent due to being rat-@rsed.

[Lone_Twin]

Well, it shows that they had at least one violent psychopath. Don't forget the fact that it was another copper who immediately reported the incident and who was the main prosecution witness. Also, lets not forget that he's been convicted and is awaiting sentence. Personally, they can chuck the key away as far as I'm converned.

Also, reading between the lines here; she's found asleep in her car, in the early hours, on a rural road, 150 yards from home, after having made several lengthy (rambling??) phone calls and had managed to drain the battery on the car (and the phone) because the heater was left on full blast (probably the engine too then) in mid-summer. A car heater on full blast, music and engine running didn't wake her up? I'm not saying she was p1ssed - there is probably a perfectly rational explanation for those facts (can't think of one though) - but, on balance, what's the most likely reason for them?

If she was p1ssed and had caused an accident resulting in a family being wiped out then would many people mind if she'd copped a bit of a slap in the cells?

Cr@p and conjecture.

"Engine running" how then would the battery have run down Einstein?

Even if this woman was out of her tree, had an argument, drove off then thought better of it and decided to sleep it off she hurt absolutely no one and did not deserve such treatment.

[The Masked Tulip]

Again, agreed entirely. Let's not tip-toe around the niceities of the situation here though - the woman was pissed off her tree, you know it, I know it, it's plainly obvious. This is what the paper is trying to say without actually libelling her. This is what papers do, other half is a journo and she does just the same sort of thing all the time.

No idea why it took so long to get to trial but it probably wasn't a traightforward case. She was initially charged with failing to supply so there would have been issues about which trial happened first.

Agree with the last sentence, terrible act of violence against her. However, many people who say that now would not say the same he she copped a slap or two after wiping out an innocent due to being rat-@rsed.

You don't know that she was drunk - no evidence of it.

When I used to do long commutes I would regularly pull my car over and spend a few hours having a kip and, on a few occasions, I have slept the night in my car. Tens of thousands of people do this from time to time.

[6538]

Cr@p and conjecture.

"Engine running" how then would the battery have run down Einstein?

Even if this woman was out of her tree, had an argument, drove off then thought better of it and decided to sleep it off she hurt absolutely no one and did not deserve such treatment.

Run out of fuel??? Besides, it makes no difference. She was alseep in her car, in mid-summer with the heater on full, music playing and didn't wake up.

[ken_ichikawa]

Run out of fuel??? Besides, it makes no difference. She was alseep in her car, in mid-summer with the heater on full, music playing and didn't wake up.

You can sleep through earthquakes if you are tired enough, The road from Chita to Khabavosk in Siberia was horrible. It was slow and off road all the way, when I pitched up tent and ate, I managed to sleep through a bear coming into the camp and the korean guys next to me cacking themselves.

[ken_ichikawa]

due to being rat-@rsed.

Problem is though they charged her for drink driving took her in and would have taken a blood test and breathalised at the police station machine. If these were positive then she'd have been charged for drunk driving and have been convicted therefore she MIGHT have had some but by the time she was in the police station it had worn off below levels which were above the limit.

[6538]

You can sleep through earthquakes if you are tired enough, The road from Chita to Khabavosk in Siberia was horrible. It was slow and off road all the way, when I pitched up tent and ate, I managed to sleep through a bear coming into the camp and the korean guys next to me cacking themselves.

Yeah but, on balance and considering all the circumstances outlined in the article, what is the most likely explanation for her behavior? It is more likely than not that she was p!ssed up to her eyes, got @rsey with the cops and copped a slap. Not excusing it one way or the other and the guy deserves to get locked up but the current situation is preferable to her killing someone.

[6538]

You don't know that she was drunk - no evidence of it.

When I used to do long commutes I would regularly pull my car over and spend a few hours having a kip and, on a few occasions, I have slept the night in my car. Tens of thousands of people do this from time to time.

Lots of circumstantial evidece, read the article. She was found in her car, asleep, battery flat because she'd left the heater on full - in June - she'd made several long phone calls and flattenbed that too and was in the car because she'd stormed out after an evening meal (with wine?), an argument over money and an apparently unrelated argument with her husband. Her explanation for being in her casr, asleep, 150 yards from home was that she didn't want to leave stuff in it, stuff that she could have easily have carried home or got her husband to fetch for her.

The cops claim that she refused a breath test so they nicked her. Contrary to poipular belief the cops don't breath test you just because they can. It's genberally because they have reason to believe that you've been drinking. Why would the community support officer have called other officers unless he wanted them to breath test her?

Yes, you're correct that there isn't a breath or blood sample to prove beyond doubt that she was p!ssed (and I'm not even saying thst she definitely was) and, yes, there are other reasons as to why she was there - even the unlikely reasons she gave - but, weighing up the facts in a rational manner does rather trend to lead you to one conclusion rather than any other.

On balance, she was probably pissed.

[shipbuilder]

If she was p1ssed and had caused an accident resulting in a family being wiped out then would many people mind if she'd copped a bit of a slap in the cells?

Not that many, considering some of the responses on here.

Why the focus on whether she was drunk or not? Seems strange considering the seriousness of what happened to her.

[6538]

Problem is though they charged her for drink driving took her in and would have taken a blood test and breathalised at the police station machine. If these were positive then she'd have been charged for drunk driving and have been convicted therefore she MIGHT have had some but by the time she was in the police station it had worn off below levels which were above the limit.

And if she was refusing how are they going to make her blow into a machine? The story says that a police doctor was called - isn't it likely that he was there to draw blood as the cops can't do it themselves? Perhaps the reason that no blood was taken was because she, by her own admission, decided to try and escape from custody by walking out of the cell? A doctor cannot pin a person down in order to take blood.

[6538]

Not that many, considering some of the responses on here.

Why the focus on whether she was drunk or not? Seems strange considering the seriousness of what happened to her.

It adds substance and balance to the story. The initial posts in this thread tend to be of the tone of a poor innocent, gentle, midde-aged woman who has been singled out for absolutely no reason what-so-ever simply because a copper fancied slapping someone smaller than him about for a bit of sport. Hence; all coppers are psychos, and that we are rapidly walking into some Stazi Police state. This conveniently ignoring the fact that the one who thumped her wasn't even the one who arrested her and at least one other copper was the lead prosecution witness.

It's an entirely diferent story though if it's about some middle-aged chav who's found off her tits asleep in her car in the early hours and who gets mouthy and aggressive when asked to provide a specimin of breath who then gets a slap back at the station. I mean, why would you refuse if you were sober and how likely is it that the arresting cops didn't ask her to do so?

Like I say, the chances are that she was pissed and may have killed someone. The story isn't quite as easy to spin in her favor if the latter one is closer to the truth. This is entirely the point the paper is trying to make without actually libelling her.

[shipbuilder]

It's an entirely diferent story though if it's about some middle-aged chav who's found off her tits asleep in her car in the early hours and who gets mouthy and aggressive when asked to provide a specimin of breath who then gets a slap back at the station. I mean, why would you refuse if you were sober and how likely is it that the arresting cops didn't ask her to do so?

Like I say, the chances are that she was pissed and may have killed someone. The story isn't quite as easy to spin in her favor if the latter one is closer to the truth. This is entirely the point the paper is trying to make without actually libelling her.

How is it an entirely different story? Does the violence done to her by this police officer become justified?

Surely if she was drunk that makes her even less likely to be able to defend herself against someone blatantly abusing their position as an upholder of the law?

[6538]

How is it an entirely different story? Does the violence done to her by this police officer become justified?

No, of course it doesn't. Like I've said, he's a dangerous psycho and deserves to be locked up.

It changes the tone of the story as far fewer people will be inclined towards sympathy for her - rightly or wrongly. Which is the point the article is attempting to make without making themslves liable.

It also undermines the attempts on boards like this by people who cherry-pick certain quotes in order to get the outsome they want; ie; that we are running towards some oppressive police state. They may have a point if the cops really were singling out old ladies at random for a kicking but they probably don't have one based on a mouthy, pissed-up chav getting a slap for refusing to provide a sample.

[6538]

The policeman was not qualified to tell whether she was suffering from a raging infection or a hypoglycaemic incident or indeed from extreme tiredness.

Members of the public must be able to trust the police to give them the benefit of the doubt when they are escorted to a police station.

In my job if I do not treat members of the public with courtesy and respect then I will be out of a job very quickly.

Police will only have the respect of the public if they give respect in the first place.

All true and even more reason why he should be locked up. However, on the other hand, police officers don't need to be particularly well qualified to recognise someone who's stinking of drink. Unfortunately, that's something that the CCTV can't tell us. Again though, what's most likely? On balance it's that she was off her tits.