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I've always wondered whether being a bit of moron would make my life easier...the problem I have is that I can over analyse a lot of situations, and it does my head in. It think it would be great to lead a simple life...

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I've always wondered whether being a bit of moron would make my life easier...the problem I have is that I can over analyse a lot of situations, and it does my head in. It think it would be great to lead a simple life...

You can still be intelligent, but decide not to give a toss. Works for me.

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I've always wondered whether being a bit of moron would make my life easier...the problem I have is that I can over analyse a lot of situations, and it does my head in. It think it would be great to lead a simple life...

By some, yet underrated by others.

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Being adaptable is best. Chap i know can ingratiate himself into any crowd somehow, be it a gang of drug dealers on a street corner or a bunch of lecturers discussing politics or something. Not sure how he does so naturally it or manages to look so at ease, its like he can turn an intelligence switch in his head off.

Intelligence without application is pretty useless and probably frustrating is what im trying to say, ie power without control.

I dare say brown and bliar were probably both intelligent, though not for the things people suggest, certainly not Brown with economics anyway, but Bliar was able to present himself in a positive way,

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You can still be intelligent, but decide not to give a toss. Works for me.

. It works until step 7, when you suddenly realise that step 14 will bring the consequent problems right onto your desk. You spend steps 8, 9 , 10, 11, 12, and 13 becoming even more angry than you would have been had you simply been ignored after voicing your objections at step 1, and you don't even have the satisfaction of "I told you so-s".

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I've always wondered whether being a bit of moron would make my life easier...the problem I have is that I can over analyse a lot of situations, and it does my head in. It think it would be great to lead a simple life...

I've often thought it must be great to be thick, with no self awareness. Of course, that'd mean I'd live on a sink estate, be bottle blonde, alcoholic, celebrity-struck and overweight - not so good!:ph34r:

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Being adaptable is best. Chap i know can ingratiate himself into any crowd somehow, be it a gang of drug dealers on a street corner or a bunch of lecturers discussing politics or something. Not sure how he does so naturally it or manages to look so at ease, its like he can turn an intelligence switch in his head off.

Intelligence without application is pretty useless and probably frustrating is what im trying to say, ie power without control.

I dare say brown and bliar were probably both intelligent, though not for the things people suggest, certainly not Brown with economics anyway, but Bliar was able to present himself in a positive way,

Is said Chap an undercover copper?

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If

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,

Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,

And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;

If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;

If you can meet with triumph and disaster

And treat those two imposters just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken

Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,

And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings

And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,

And lose, and start again at your beginnings

And never breath a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew

To serve your turn long after they are gone,

And so hold on when there is nothing in you

Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,

Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;

If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;

If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute

With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,

And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

Kipling.

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If

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,

Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,

And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;

If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;

If you can meet with triumph and disaster

And treat those two imposters just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken

Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,

And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings

And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,

And lose, and start again at your beginnings

And never breath a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew

To serve your turn long after they are gone,

And so hold on when there is nothing in you

Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,

Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;

If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;

If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute

With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,

And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

Kipling.

Yeah, nice.

So is that a "Yes" or a "No"?

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I've always wondered whether being a bit of moron would make my life easier...the problem I have is that I can over analyse a lot of situations, and it does my head in. It think it would be great to lead a simple life...

Probably. Mine was measured at 145 in 2004 after a nervous breakdown and they need to reassure themselves i could be left in charge of 150 million dollar pieces of equipment.

I'm still in what i perceive to be a crap profession and forced to work in a foreign 'tax free' country to get a decent income.

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Being adaptable is best. Chap i know can ingratiate himself into any crowd somehow, be it a gang of drug dealers on a street corner or a bunch of lecturers discussing politics or something. Not sure how he does so naturally it or manages to look so at ease, its like he can turn an intelligence switch in his head off.

Intelligence without application is pretty useless and probably frustrating is what im trying to say, ie power without control.

I dare say brown and bliar were probably both intelligent, though not for the things people suggest, certainly not Brown with economics anyway, but Bliar was able to present himself in a positive way,

Adaptability is handy to have.....I also agree with the being able to talk to all sorts of different people in a language they feel comfortable with and can understand. ;)

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Psychologists now realise that there are many facets to intelligence. Its not just verbal, numeric, linguistic and spatial ability. More important is emotional intelligence. The ability to get on with others and perhaps persuade them to your point of view or share common objectives.

Above all we all have a high level of intelligence, I wonder whether the difference between the brightest and the dumbest human is that great when comparing the dumbest human with the brightest animal. We could just be measuring tiny differences in our species. We don't differ much in physical size, why should we differ much in intellectual ability?

I think its all down to how you look at life, the trick is to be able to see both sides of the coin and choose the one that gives you more contentment.

On reflection better to be intelligent than dumb. Or am I to dumb to realise?

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I've always wondered whether being a bit of moron would make my life easier...the problem I have is that I can over analyse a lot of situations, and it does my head in. It think it would be great to lead a simple life...

Who knows - always score about average on IQ tests(110 - 115), always wondered if my life would be much different if my IQ was say 20 points higher, probably, it would make learning difficult things easier, a sharper and better memory, more job options.

Although its a bit arrogant to say just because someone's IQ is lower then don't analyse anything, and they walk around in a blissful happy state.

can't stand people who sit around pontificating about bright they are - but do very little with it - i.e work in a pretty average job.

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Being adaptable is best. Chap i know can ingratiate himself into any crowd somehow, be it a gang of drug dealers on a street corner or a bunch of lecturers discussing politics or something. Not sure how he does so naturally it or manages to look so at ease, its like he can turn an intelligence switch in his head off.

Intelligence without application is pretty useless and probably frustrating is what im trying to say, ie power without control.

I dare say brown and bliar were probably both intelligent, though not for the things people suggest, certainly not Brown with economics anyway, but Bliar was able to present himself in a positive way,

Psychologists now realise that there are many facets to intelligence. Its not just verbal, numeric, linguistic and spatial ability. More important is emotional intelligence. The ability to get on with others and perhaps persuade them to your point of view or share common objectives.

Above all we all have a high level of intelligence, I wonder whether the difference between the brightest and the dumbest human is that great when comparing the dumbest human with the brightest animal. We could just be measuring tiny differences in our species. We don't differ much in physical size, why should we differ much in intellectual ability?

I think its all down to how you look at life, the trick is to be able to see both sides of the coin and choose the one that gives you more contentment.

On reflection better to be intelligent than dumb. Or am I to dumb to realise?

Both of these are good posts, we all know the "intelligent" sort who sets out to prove he's more intelligent than everyone and gets everypone's back up. I realised early on that I was cleverer than most but don't see it as any inherent strength, just something that makes me different. I'm just as comfy chavving it up in a flat-rooved pub as I am la de dah-ing by the canalside.

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Yeah, nice.

So is that a "Yes" or a "No"?

Simple answer: it is a "yes" but with conditions. You have to use your intelligence wisely and in many different ways. The payoff is also variable, but there is a payoff.

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Both of these are good posts, we all know the "intelligent" sort who sets out to prove he's more intelligent than everyone and gets everypone's back up. I realised early on that I was cleverer than most but don't see it as any inherent strength, just something that makes me different. I'm just as comfy chavving it up in a flat-rooved pub as I am la de dah-ing by the canalside.

I've often found that talking to pompous, pretentious (often middle class) twerps rather boring...they mainly complain...In a lot of respects, i'd rather talk to more "salt of the earth" ppl...they don't winge about what they're owed, they are usually funnier, and easier to get along with...

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Yes, intelligence by itself is overrated if you don't have the social tools to make the most of it.

Twice in my life I've met a people that were frighteningly intelligent an educated (one with degree from Oxford) but were only in low paid, low end jobs with few responsibilities as they just couldn't cope with the tedium of the typical career path. They couldn't really tie their own shoelaces and were only happy engaging in intellectual pursuits, reading books and having deep conversations - yet they weren't aspergerish or anything.

I think unless they'd become 'nutty academics' or somesuch there probably wasn't a well paid job in the world that they could cope with.

When I've worked for larger companies that recruit graduates into a trainee scheme it seems the ones chosen are just hyper bubbly, hyper keen, hyper confident, hyper go-getting. Some of them are actually shockingly thick, though.

There are probably lots of people that grabbed three A grades at A Level and assumed they were on their way to greatness only to get stuck in some crap job five years later on no money.

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I've often found that talking to pompous, pretentious (often middle class) twerps rather boring...they mainly complain...In a lot of respects, i'd rather talk to more "salt of the earth" ppl...they don't winge about what they're owed, they are usually funnier, and easier to get along with...

I know what you mean. But I find most middle class people now aren't terribly culturally aware and are more interested in boring consumerism like their new fitted kitchen, property prices, oak flooring, holidays and the like. They don't seem to have a single serious book in their homes. Few can talk to you about the arts, history, politics, etc.

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I've known one or two who are incredibly clever (academically speaking) but decidedly lacking in the common sense department. Especially financially, funnily enough.

OTOH seriously high intelligence plus common sense are a powerful combination.

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But doesn't everyone think there smarter than the other person. I mean no one walks around thinking oh well I am not that bright. Don't we all have our own definition of what is being intelligent.

intelligence is so hard to define - for example in a workplace you have your software engineers - now I have always looked at software engineers as arrogant, conceited types who always think that their little niche of skills and expertise is the most important thing in the world - and the entire organisation revolves around them, and the respect other software engineers, and other engineers as being "smart", whilst they look down on for example a project manager.

Managers always think their the smartest and the most important people at work - they respect other managers -but show little respect to the engineers - they look it as just a skill than can bought in, and the real skill is bringing all together. That is their defination of being smart.

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Twice in my life I've met a people that were frighteningly intelligent an educated (one with degree from Oxford) but were only in low paid, low end jobs with few responsibilities as they just couldn't cope with the tedium of the typical career path. They couldn't really tie their own shoelaces

That'll be Cambridge I think! Lots of slip-on shoes sold there! ;)

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Is said Chap an undercover copper?

Nah, just lucky i guess.

He's also good looking (not to sound gay or anything) which i guess helps people accept you, but even good looking people can appear awkward in some situations, he just seems to naturally get along with anyone no matter how stupid or intelligent they are and can manage to genuinely appear stupid or intelligent himself.

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But doesn't everyone think there smarter than the other person. I mean no one walks around thinking oh well I am not that bright. Don't we all have our own definition of what is being intelligent.

intelligence is so hard to define - for example in a workplace you have your software engineers - now I have always looked at software engineers as arrogant, conceited types who always think that their little niche of skills and expertise is the most important thing in the world - and the entire organisation revolves around them, and the respect other software engineers, and other engineers as being "smart", whilst they look down on for example a project manager.

Managers always think their the smartest and the most important people at work - they respect other managers -but show little respect to the engineers - they look it as just a skill than can bought in, and the real skill is bringing all together. That is their defination of being smart.

Yes, I think you are right. I've noticed that even someone who grants that lots of people are smarter than they are in specialised fields still thinks they themselves are smarter over-all, even if it is only "street" smarts. I've actually met floor sweepers who are quite convinced the whole place would close down if they were to quit. The mind truly boggles and there sure is nowt as queer as folk.

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