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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11170814

Alcohol consumption in 2009 saw the sharpest year-on-year decline since 1948, figures from the British Beer and Pub Association suggest.

The BBPA said the data showed a 6% decline in 2009, the fourth annual decline in five years.

The association said UK drinkers were now consuming 13% less alcohol than in 2004, below the EU average.

It used HM Revenue and Customs data about the amount of alcohol sold by producers and importers into the UK.

It is thought the decline may be due to the effect of the recession on spending, but could also be a sign that messages about responsible drinking have affected drinking habits.

The organisation said UK taxes on beer remain the second highest duty rate in EU - 10 times higher than in Germany and seven times higher than in France.

Some £5.5bn is paid in duty and VAT, with alcohol contributing £14.6bn in total to UK tax revenues.

As the price of alcohol is quite expensive to drink in the pub it's not surprising people are no longer doing it.

Anyone know if these alcohol consumption figures are for all sales ie pubs and supermarkets together or are they just quoting sales in pubs?

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Ministers propose Scottish minimum drink price of 45p

The Scottish government has announced that it wants alcohol to be sold at a minimum of 45p per unit.

The SNP's minimum price plan, which is contained in its Alcohol Bill, is an attempt to reduce consumption.

If agreed, the change would see a two-litre bottle of Tesco brand cider go from £1.32 to £3.80, while Asda whisky would rise from £9.20 to £12.60.

Opposition parties at Holyrood intend to unite to block the policy as they say it would hit responsible drinkers.

And yet yesterday we had the following claim...

So consumption is reducing yet the politicians want to reduce consumption. If this goes through will they then take claim for reducing consumption?

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are they aiming to one day ban booze completely? i never thought i'd see the day where smoking was banned in pubs personally

they've got some nerve

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You would think that the government would be cheering at this, considering the assault on alcohol and pubs over recent years.

Maybe this explains why they're trying to push out the cheaper competition in Scotland, with their minimum pricing? We can't have the expensive brands struggling now, can we?

TBH though, it all annoys me. I don't see why it is any of the government's business being interested in how much booze we drink. No doubt, the NHS costs are at the centre of it! <_<

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are they aiming to one day ban booze completely? i never thought i'd see the day where smoking was banned in pubs personally

they've got some nerve

Certain groups would prefer it if they did.

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The pubs in my area have been in a steady decline for years. Not nearly as many people going to them at weekends and anytime i have been out boozing during the week they are empty. Inevitably, many are closing down. Apart from the obvious steps the govt are taking to spoil the fun i think its also a bit of a cultural change. Younger people i know dont want to spend all day at the pub having a good drink and soaking up a bit of the barstool culture. Afternoon drinking now seems to be really frowned upon . They just seem to want to crack open the booze at home in the evening then go to a nightclub. Their daytime socialising is hanging out in overpriced coffee shops acting like yuppies.

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People are obviously drinking less booze.

But i am pretty sure weed, cocaine and "research chemicals" are picking up the slack

Yep, plant food sales are through the roof.

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are they aiming to one day ban booze completely? i never thought i'd see the day where smoking was banned in pubs personally

they've got some nerve

I'd say you can lay part of the blame for the smoking ban with the tobacco industry itself.

For centuries men enjoyed tobacco in the form of pipes and later cigars and snuff, but it tended to be in moderation because those forms are less habit forming.

It was the tobacco industry however that heavily promoted cigarette smoking, the 'crack cocaine' of tobacco, which led to heavy smoking and the resultant health problems and clampdown by socialised medicine and the health industry.

The alcohol industry may be going down the same road with its promotion of binge drinking...

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11170814

As the price of alcohol is quite expensive to drink in the pub it's not surprising people are no longer doing it.

Anyone know if these alcohol consumption figures are for all sales ie pubs and supermarkets together or are they just quoting sales in pubs?

The article mentions MHRC data about alcohol sold by producers which would tend to suggest that it relates to all alcohol sales. That on its own couldn't be extrapolated directly to "consumption", I wouldn't have thought.

Is it just alcohol sold by producers in the UK or does it include their export sales? Also "producers" tends to suggest only companies which actually make drinks, not ones that import the stuff. If it only refers to UK sales then that doesn't necessarily mean that people are drinkiing less as there may be more illegal (or indeed legal) imports around. More people may be drinking home brew.

If it were only pub sales then I wouldn't find that particularly surprising, to be honest.

Poor article with not enough info to draw any real conclusions, to be honest.

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I'd say you can lay part of the blame for the smoking ban with the tobacco industry itself.

For centuries men enjoyed tobacco in the form of pipes and later cigars and snuff, but it tended to be in moderation because those forms are less habit forming.

It was the tobacco industry however that heavily promoted cigarette smoking, the 'crack cocaine' of tobacco, which led to heavy smoking and the resultant health problems and clampdown by socialised medicine and the health industry.

The alcohol industry may be going down the same road with its promotion of binge drinking...

The situation with smoking was rather more to do with the discovery that it causes cancer, surely?

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Quite honestly, if this minimum price malarkey ever comes about then it won't bother me in the slightest as the proprietor of my local home brew emporium will be getting all of the money I would otherwise spend in the supermarkets and offies.

Most people won't bother with home brew and will put up with higher prices but you can only use price manipulation so far in regards deterring consumption. There will ALWAYS be another source of supply and for the most part those other sources will be a lot less pleasant than your local Tesco!

Still, this all goes to show that, yet again, governments have no fvckin clue about the consequenses of banning things or jacking up the price. Personally, it looks to me like they are actually trying to encourage a black market in alcohol.

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Still, this all goes to show that, yet again, governments have no fvckin clue about the consequenses of banning things or jacking up the price. Personally, it looks to me like they are actually trying to encourage a black market in alcohol.

Time to get the TFHs out. Here is a good conspiracy theory about the the prohibition of alcohol in the US.

Many people know that alcohol can be used as fuel for cars and farm equipment. It's popular today in the guise of ethanol, but ethanol is largely a red herring. Ethanol is a ghost of what could have been had the Prohibition movement not killed alcohol fuel in its infancy.

Most people are not aware that Henry Ford's Model T came in a variation that allowed the driver to switch the carburetor to run the engine on farm-made ethyl acohol [sic]. This allowed the operator to stop at local farms (equipped with stills) to refuel his/her car during long trips through the backcountry. After all- the gas station wasn't exactly as ubiquitous in those days, as it is now. The Standard Oil Company and its industrialist-founder John D. Rockefeller wasn't too happy with this arrangement. After all, Rockefeller's company had a virtual monoploly on gasoline at this time in our nation's development...........

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Quite honestly, if this minimum price malarkey ever comes about then it won't bother me in the slightest as the proprietor of my local home brew emporium will be getting all of the money I would otherwise spend in the supermarkets and offies.

Most people won't bother with home brew and will put up with higher prices but you can only use price manipulation so far in regards deterring consumption. There will ALWAYS be another source of supply and for the most part those other sources will be a lot less pleasant than your local Tesco!

Still, this all goes to show that, yet again, governments have no fvckin clue about the consequenses of banning things or jacking up the price. Personally, it looks to me like they are actually trying to encourage a black market in alcohol.

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There was some good write up on this Angry Teen blogspot (with graphs showing consumption down) and Pete Brown's Beer Blog (more detailed).

Given the news this week and the focus on the problem area of the North West, it appeared very managed and pushing weary acceptability of minimum pricing (new tax) - after all the politicians, the NHS and the experts don't lie. Of course, they do - shamelessly. And our useless media comply with the clichéd images and stories to support what is no more than a Press Release by some taxpayer funded self-righteous Quango or Govt body; they could research and check the facts (perhaps questioning all these pubs are closing...).

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11170814

As the price of alcohol is quite expensive to drink in the pub it's not surprising people are no longer doing it.

Anyone know if these alcohol consumption figures are for all sales ie pubs and supermarkets together or are they just quoting sales in pubs?

They're all figures on & off trade. The decline is definately down to on-trade decline skewing the figures. More people are drinking at home than ever, but the tendancy for on-trade to perform badly dwarfs it and so the picture shows on overall decline.

They get their figures direct from breweries split by where the volume is delivered (on/off) and they tally it up with HM revenue figures

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The 2003 spike was caused by all those celebratory champagne moments on "Location, Location, Location", "Property Ladder" and "Homes Under the Hammer".

Interesting, post 9/11 and into the dolrums - a dip in consumption - then the credit tap is turned on, mewing, Gordon's economic brilliance, and life's too short and a massive leap (it couldn't be that they were having a 'sale')... and a leap in consumption. Easy money was flowing like champagne.

All conjecture, of course.

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Time to get the TFHs out. Here is a good conspiracy theory about the the prohibition of alcohol in the US.

Full article

I don't really follow the logic in that theory as to why the US instituted alcohol prohibition. It seems to be along the lines of "We'll prevent people from using illegal alcohol fuel from all these illegally operated stills by banning drinking alcohol produced in legal facillities." Sorry but this makes no sense. If it was ever a problem (which I doubt) then why not just stop uncle Henry from installing duel fuel carbs in his cars?

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I don't really follow the logic in that theory as to why the US instituted alcohol prohibition. It seems to be along the lines of "We'll prevent people from using illegal alcohol fuel from all these illegally operated stills by banning drinking alcohol produced in legal facillities." Sorry but this makes no sense. If it was ever a problem (which I doubt) then why not just stop uncle Henry from installing duel fuel carbs in his cars?

I think the logic is similar to the marijuana / oil conny theory. Basically, if a car can run on two different fuels and your primary business is selling one of these fuel sources, its in your interests to have the other outlawed.

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I think the logic is similar to the marijuana / oil conny theory. Basically, if a car can run on two different fuels and your primary business is selling one of these fuel sources, its in your interests to have the other outlawed.

But the stuff they are on about is illegal anyway. Banning all other types of alcohol is not going to make it any more illegal. In fact, a\lcohol production wasn't entirely banned in that period anyway. Industrial alcohol and medicinal alcohol was still able to be produced and I think even drinking alcohol was able to be produced for export.

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People voluntarily drinking less is a good news story IMO.

I think what's happened though is that people are now not doing the 2 pints every evening in the social hub but 10 pints on a Saturday and sometimes a Friday instead. Then regretting it all week while they go to the gym and drink smoothies etc.

Pubs need to reinvent themselves. The business model of just serving a couple of local beers and some snacks is long gone. Make yourselves entertaining. We need niche bars, places that people can have fun in again rather than sit there behaving themselves.

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People voluntarily drinking less is a good news story IMO.

I think what's happened though is that people are now not doing the 2 pints every evening in the social hub but 10 pints on a Saturday and sometimes a Friday instead. Then regretting it all week while they go to the gym and drink smoothies etc.

Pubs need to reinvent themselves. The business model of just serving a couple of local beers and some snacks is long gone. Make yourselves entertaining. We need niche bars, places that people can have fun in again rather than sit there behaving themselves.

The problem with "niche" businesses is that they don't stay that way very long and people get bored with them. Also, there really isn't a great deal that you can do with a local boozer. One thing I think would work (although you'd have to be careful which establishments you did it in) is this.

Devizes miniature fifle league

It used to be very common in lots of pubs around the country. Click on "The Venues" at the side.

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