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"Tony makes it clear he thinks Gordon could have won the election if he hadn't turned his back on New Labour."Raising the top rate of tax and planning to put up National Insurance were things he would never have done. He thinks the party went back to being old Labour in the eyes of voters, who punished them at the ballot box."

The Labour are party are unarguably economic facists.

A fascist government supports one class of citizens whom are considered superior to another.

I dont really care which of the FACISTS thinks the other is to blame.

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"Tony Blair: Gordon Brown was 'maddening' bully who blackmailed me"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/tony-blair/7974582/Tony-Blair-Gordon-Brown-was-maddening-bully-who-blackmailed-me.html

“When it’s said that I should have sacked him, or demoted him, this takes no account of the fact that had I done so, the party and the Government would have been severely and immediately destabilised, and his ascent to the office of prime minister would probably have been even faster.... It is easy to say now, in the light of his tenure as prime minister, that I should have stopped it; at the time that would have been well nigh impossible.”
Just shows what a pack of lies these two and all who surround them gave us in order to keep their grubby hands on power ...All of them were unfit for government

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I just hope that the two of them slug it out in the media until they destroy each other.

Out of the two, Blair is more culpable for the desperate state this country is in, because he was the electable one, although it was Brown's economic ineptitude that did the damage.

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http://www.telegraph...led-me.htmlJust shows what a pack of lies these two and all who surround them gave us in order to keep their grubby hands on power ...All of them were unfit for government

As Douglas Adams observed, under no circumstances should anyone who seeks (political) power be allowed it.

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Blair was a good man and still us.

I don't expect the 99% sheeple population (including here) to understand that.

TB you were always the man for me.

I think he was tricked into going into war for ethical reasons.

Still....for all those who blame Blair. Sadaam never allowed full access to Hans Blix. Sadaam claims to have been scared of Iran to do that. Face with invasion, why not?

Sadaam is the reason we went to war. If he had simply cooperated, none of this would have happened. The yanks would not have had their excuse. Sadaam preferred to sacrifice his country to show up the west.

I like Blair the person but I disagree with New Labour domestic policies and their legacy.

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Jesus H Christ.

So those that don't agree about your view of Blair are sheeple?

I had to read this twice as I thought I'd missed the joke first time round.

That is not the definition of a sheeple. But it is a classic response of one.

Notice how these people were very few in the beginning. The only ones against were lefties/socialist worker/stop the war coalition (against ANY war) and "British" muslims. As time went on, more and more of the public "converted", due to social influence. It became trendy to hate Blair. Probably an excuse for people's own problems and insecurity. Typical Britishness.

The inquiries proved nothing. Sadaam knew the consequences of not cooperating and he still did it anyway. Funny how the Blair haters never address this point. Sadaam gifted them a premise for war.

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It's the response of someone who is clearly far more aware of the facts and brutal truths than you.

You know no more facts or truths than I.

But I don't care. Go holler "illegal war" and shout me down with these words, just like all the anti-Blair sheeple do ;)

Like Blair says, the Chilcott Inquiry was a complete joke. A lynch mob and no desire to find out more about what happened.

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That is not the definition of a sheeple. But it is a classic response of one.

Notice how these people were very few in the beginning. The only ones against were lefties/socialist worker/stop the war coalition (against ANY war) and "British" muslims. As time went on, more and more of the public "converted", due to social influence. It became trendy to hate Blair. Probably an excuse for people's own problems and insecurity. Typical Britishness.

The inquiries proved nothing. Sadaam knew the consequences of not cooperating and he still did it anyway. Funny how the Blair haters never address this point. Sadaam gifted them a premise for war.

This is called rewriting history. Which is the only way Blair's acolytes can actually look at history. Must toe the party line, they drift off to sleep with Labour HQ CD's quietly intoning the party line "Tony was a great man IS a great man....Tony is a great man - remember he wasn't Saddam." Hans Blix Scott Ritter and a number of UN weapons inspectors (David Kelly) remember the events differently. Blair was an accomplice to mass murder, but that's okay because he wasn't Saddam. Its a subtle distinction that is probably lost on his victims. Lord Blair of Kut Al-Amara can bleat all he likes about other people being difficult but he is a vain avaricious murdering psychopath so his opinion is as valid as Ian Huntly's or Ian Brady's.

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We invaded a country that was mostly without electricity, on its knees, with no nasty WMDs, no mandate to do so, no AL Quaeda and took its oil. Which was then sold off to private companies, for which Blair, amongst others made a fortune.

You like that man?

A legacy does not prove that it (the legacy) was planned.

Also, when we invaded, hardly anybody expected years of civil war. The public didn't think so.

There are many outcomes with war. You can never predict exactly what will happen. It did indeed turn out worse than anyone could have predicted. But that is always a possibility. The eventual outcome does not have a bearing on whether the decision to go to war was right or not. This is a basic concept that the sheeple don't get. Sheeple always cry when things go wrong and stay quiet or say nothing when things go right.

btw you did the classic: you avoided the central point that Sadaam refused to cooperate fully with inspectors. This led to military action. He played games for ages and finally kicked the inspectors out. He pressed the self destruct button for his own country.

Blair did not want to go to war (I'm sure that Bush and Cheney did). He gave Sadaam a golden opportunity to avoid it. The only way to do that is to make the threat of war if full cooperation is not granted. A threat is useless unless you are willing to go through with the ultimate action (which is of course not desired, but you must be prepared for it). Stupid Sadaam brought it on.

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Hi Rolf,

I generally respect you, and I respect your right to take a contrarian view on Blair.

However, for my view on Blair: I remember him from well before he became Labour leader and he has always creeped me out, so please dont assume that I am jumping on any bandwagon by not liking him. Actually I dont know him, so I can only judge him by what his actions and words down the years.

He creeps me out, he took us into any number of illegal wars, centralised and exercised power in an undemocratic way not seen in the UK for about/at least 2 centuries, has used his position to line his own pockets and those of his cabal, has a dangerous personal 'messianic' complex (including the dangerous 'I am right and you are wrong because I truly believe and whatever I believe cannot be wrong' complex of the religious zealot).... need I go on?

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As usual, he tells a good story. He's trained as a barrister, and this is courtroom technique in action.

But I wouldn't give any more credence to this than to anything else The Liar tells. Mandy is both more interesting and more credible if you want an insider account of nulab (which is not to say I'd take him at face value - very far from it)!

There's a mildly interesting hypothetical question here. Could Brown have done a decent job at the top if he hadn't been driven mad by The Liar above him? Obviously that's purely historic: by the time of the second term (2001) if not earlier the answer is a clear No.

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As in most cases, I'm with the Mash on this news story:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/man-who-thinks-he's-spiderman-attacked-by-man-who-thinks-he's-jesus-201009013050/

I particularly liked the lines at the end about their graves and passing historians.

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Hi Rolf,

I generally respect you, and I respect your right to take a contrarian view on Blair.

However, for my view on Blair: I remember him from well before he became Labour leader and he has always creeped me out, so please dont assume that I am jumping on any bandwagon by not liking him. Actually I dont know him, so I can only judge him by what his actions and words down the years.

He creeps me out, he took us into any number of illegal wars, centralised and exercised power in an undemocratic way not seen in the UK for about/at least 2 centuries, has used his position to line his own pockets and those of his cabal, has a dangerous personal 'messianic' complex (including the dangerous 'I am right and you are wrong because I truly believe and whatever I believe cannot be wrong' complex of the religious zealot).... need I go on?

That's fair enough. You seem to have a better rationale than most.

Before the war it was only stop the war/CND types and muslims who protested. And other malingerers who let others do the arguments for them. Probably wanted to feel part of a group. Ask the general public if they expected the eventual outcome and you would be hard pushed to find such an opinion.

During the war, as things got worse, tons of people jumped on the bandwagon. I am not talking about the occasions when revelations and inquiries came to light. I am talking simply of people jumping on the bandwagon.

Unfortunately, Iraq is a complex issue. But people like to reduce it to a single word like "illegal" or "Bliar". They might as well live their lives by the Daily Mail if they are going to just shout over people like that without examing all the complexities of the entire picture which I've noticed that Blair-haters never do. They just shout their single words and think it is sufficient. In my eyes, they kill their credibility immediately when they do that.

Then there are others like yourself you have either always had suspicions about Blair or have analysed the greater information as it has become public and gradually come to their conclusions.

I personally don't believe he is a bad guy. I believe he means well. Yes, he was a barrister but that only shows his intelligence, I don't believe it makes him necessarily devious. I think he failed to stand up to Bush (who knows what else went on behind the scenes, maybe he had no choice). I also think he screwed this country domestically but I'm not sure he intended to break Britain. He probably thought that was he was doing was for the greater good. That said, having seen the Conservative cronies again now, I really fear what they are doing. I think the Conservatives would have screwed the country even more, had they been in power. I am actually hoping for Millipede to get back in. Tony and his mates are gone, Brown and his mates will be gone. We should give D. Milipede a chance, I don't believe he is a total Blairite.

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As usual, he tells a good story. He's trained as a barrister, and this is courtroom technique in action.

In your opinion. Not fact.

Being a barrister doesn't mean you always use your learned techniques on every occasion later in life.

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Odd, that all we knew about these odious people, that the very things which are the worst aspects are PUBLICISED in the MSM. Must buy the book to get some affirmation.

Book sales is all.

Its probably all a lie...I mean, he even admits he lies to community leaders, lying to readers he will never meet, why not?

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Blair was a good man and still us.

I don't expect the 99% sheeple population (including here) to understand that.

TB you were always the man for me.

I think he was tricked into going into war for ethical reasons.

Still....for all those who blame Blair. Sadaam never allowed full access to Hans Blix. Sadaam claims to have been scared of Iran to do that. Face with invasion, why not?

Sadaam is the reason we went to war. If he had simply cooperated, none of this would have happened. The yanks would not have had their excuse. Sadaam preferred to sacrifice his country to show up the west.

I like Blair the person but I disagree with New Labour domestic policies and their legacy.

Demented...

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That's fair enough. You seem to have a better rationale than most.

Before the war it was only stop the war/CND types and muslims who protested. And other malingerers who let others do the arguments for them. Probably wanted to feel part of a group. Ask the general public if they expected the eventual outcome and you would be hard pushed to find such an opinion.

During the war, as things got worse, tons of people jumped on the bandwagon. I am not talking about the occasions when revelations and inquiries came to light. I am talking simply of people jumping on the bandwagon.

Unfortunately, Iraq is a complex issue. But people like to reduce it to a single word like "illegal" or "Bliar". They might as well live their lives by the Daily Mail if they are going to just shout over people like that without examing all the complexities of the entire picture which I've noticed that Blair-haters never do. They just shout their single words and think it is sufficient. In my eyes, they kill their credibility immediately when they do that.

Then there are others like yourself you have either always had suspicions about Blair or have analysed the greater information as it has become public and gradually come to their conclusions.

I personally don't believe he is a bad guy. I believe he means well. Yes, he was a barrister but that only shows his intelligence, I don't believe it makes him necessarily devious. I think he failed to stand up to Bush (who knows what else went on behind the scenes, maybe he had no choice). I also think he screwed this country domestically but I'm not sure he intended to break Britain. He probably thought that was he was doing was for the greater good. That said, having seen the Conservative cronies again now, I really fear what they are doing. I think the Conservatives would have screwed the country even more, had they been in power. I am actually hoping for Millipede to get back in. Tony and his mates are gone, Brown and his mates will be gone. We should give D. Milipede a chance, I don't believe he is a total Blairite.

He was the BRITISH PRIME MINISTER> As for behind the scenes with BUSH....IF Bush had something on him then thats a failure in itself.

He failed to do his job. he lied ( by admission) to community leaders. He lied about the war. He stabs his friends in the back...but this is all par for the course in Politics.

He is as Odious as the next politician. And I include Cameron and the other guy in this.

All corrupted by a wall of "advisors"..

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Now, now, get into the sheep pen. There you go, good boy.

I don't get the Blair love, I really don't. I have wanted that fool out of power for a very long time. Glad to say I've never once voted Labour, they have no candidate that represents me. I don't like nannies, I don't like giving my money away to those who are able to make their own, I don't like giving credit to those who will never be able to repay it, I don't like going to war with a country that has no consequence on my life or pose any danger to me or my family, I don't believe in sticking my nose into other people's business, I don't like liars, I don't like cowards (when it got too hot for Blair, he did a runner and left it to that fool Brown).

I just don't like New Labour, a sheep, I am not as it was the majority of voting voters that voted labour and not the opposite.

Now you get into your pen, I know it's a bit empty at the moment but others will join you when the conservatives cut the benefits, the quangos, the non-jobs. Soon you'll have friends to play with and they will agree with you, isn't that nice.

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Blair was a good man and still us.

..

I like Blair the person ...

How come then you haven't stuck his name down on the "celebs I've met" thread? I'm assuming from the above you have not only met him but know him well, right? Oh, and while we're here, do you know any politicians on a personal level? A single one would do. Just name one name. Go on, don't be shy now.

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Hi Rolf,

I generally respect you, and I respect your right to take a contrarian view on Blair.

However, for my view on Blair: I remember him from well before he became Labour leader and he has always creeped me out, so please dont assume that I am jumping on any bandwagon by not liking him. Actually I dont know him, so I can only judge him by what his actions and words down the years.

He creeps me out, he took us into any number of illegal wars, centralised and exercised power in an undemocratic way not seen in the UK for about/at least 2 centuries, has used his position to line his own pockets and those of his cabal, has a dangerous personal 'messianic' complex (including the dangerous 'I am right and you are wrong because I truly believe and whatever I believe cannot be wrong' complex of the religious zealot).... need I go on?

I used to work with a guy who claimed, long before Blair was even Labour leader, let alone PM, that he had tossed a coin with him as to who should seek the nomination for MP for Sedgefield. I wonder if that was actually true? And how different things might have turned out if the coin had landed the other way.....

You're right about the zealotry. That alone should be enough to set the alarm bells ringing.

eight

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William Hague must be thanking his lucky stars. On any other day, a senior Tory caught buggering his male secretary would be banner headlines. But thanks to Blair's self-indulgent whining, Hague has been relegated to the inside pages.

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