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One In Four Lap Dancers Has A Degree, Study Finds

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/one-in-four-lap-dancers-has-a-degree-study-finds-2063252.html

The first academic research project into lap dancing has found that, rather than being uneducated young women who have been coerced into the industry, one in four dancers has a degree and has been attracted by the money.

Dancers took home an average of £232 a shift after paying commission and fees to the club, with most working between two and four shifts a week – giving them annual incomes of between £24,000 and £48,000 a year.

The researchers found no evidence of trafficking in the industry, and concluded that career and economic choices were motivations for dancing rather than drug use or coercion.

Aspiring actresses, models and artists used exotic dancing as a career strategy which fitted alongside their other work, training or studies.

Unemployed new graduates – mainly with arts degrees – were also dancing because they could not find graduate jobs and found that lap dancing paid much better than bar work.

The research by Dr Teela Sanders and Kate Hardy, from the University of Leeds, found the vast majority of dancers reported high rates of job satisfaction.

The main attraction of the work was the flexibility it offered to combine different work options and studying.

However, the researchers also found dancers' welfare was often disregarded. They called for better regulation to improve dancers' safety and security, including the banning of private booths in clubs, arguing that women could be in danger when alone with customers or that standards could be lowered by women offering more than was allowed in dances. Dancers were also open to financial exploitation by the clubs who could impose charges and fines.

One dancer told researchers: "There's not enough security. I know of girls who have been raped and abused at work. You cannot go to the police as you are a stripper, so there's no legal standing."

The research comes at a pivotal time for lap dancing clubs. After an explosion of clubs across UK high streets, a change in the law earlier this year saw their reclassification as sexual entertainment venues, giving local authorities more powers to limit the number of clubs in their area and to take objections into consideration.

The change in the licensing laws governing lap-dancing clubs came after a campaign by the Fawcett Society and Object, the women's rights organisations. They have welcomed the change in the law but called for it to go further, saying "lap-dance clubs are a form of commercial sexual exploitation and promote the sexist view that women are sex objects".

Dr Sanders said she had been surprised at the "endless supply of women" wanting to be lap dancers. She said: "These women are incredibly body confident. I think there is something of a generational cultural difference. These young women do not buy the line that they are being exploited, because they are the ones making the money out of a three-minute dance and a bit of a chat. You have got to have a certain way about you to do it. They say 80 per cent of the job is talking. These women do work hard for their money – you don't just turn up and wiggle your bum.

"But there is an issue about whether these women become trapped in the job because of the money. I think people often stay longer than they want."

The preliminary findings of the year-long study, which will include interviews with 300 dancers, reveal that all the women interviewed had finished school and gained some qualifications.

Never been to a lap dancing club.

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Why copy this here? There was a long thread about this work last year where everyone (but me) agreed it was a waste of money to hire a part time RA to do the interviews. Clearly nobody is interested. It is much better if we continue to agree with the Guardian columnists who tells us lap dancers are poorly paid and unhappy and that government policy continues to reflect their views.<br /><br />

This, incidentally, is a terrible thing for someone to falsely believe...just in case anyone in this position is reading:

One dancer told researchers: "There's not enough security. I know of girls who have been raped and abused at work. You cannot go to the police as you are a stripper, so there's no legal standing."

You can go to the police, there is a legal standing, you are working in a legal, licensed industry this side of the Guardian feminists taking that away from you.

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I won't bother, now that I know they're full of boffins :unsure:

I rather have a thing for boffins. I've never been to such an establishment but if I do I shall be sure to ask what they studied. I have an unfortunate feeling it will be mostly Meeja Studeez.

Interesting thought. have earning expectations been so inflated by so many people going to university that £24k with your bits out is better than a more traditional lower paying job? Is that a bad thing? Are they happy? I have no idea.

One dancer told researchers: "There's not enough security. I know of girls who have been raped and abused at work. You cannot go to the police as you are a stripper, so there's no legal standing."

I incerely hope the places, circumstances and company in which you chose to get naked would have no bearing on whether someone thought you had consented to intercourse or not. Then again if we are going to demonise these folks for waving their flaps about in public perhaps people will start to think they "deserve" it.

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I sincerely hope the places, circumstances and company in which you chose to get naked would have no bearing on whether someone thought you had consented to intercourse or not. Then again if we are going to demonise these folks for waving their flaps about in public perhaps people will start to think they "deserve" it.

Unfortunately, conviction percentages of rape cases would indicate your hopes are in vain.

I would expect the rate at which these girls are assaulted (both physically and sexually) to be higher than the society norm simply because of the company they keep during working hours.

Not the dancers fault, it just that they're more likely to come into contact with sexual predators dancing in a strip club, than in a meeja studee's type job.

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Unfortunately, conviction percentages of rape cases would indicate your hopes are in vain.

I would expect the rate at which these girls are assaulted (both physically and sexually) to be higher than the society norm simply because of the company they keep during working hours.

Not the dancers fault, it just that they're more likely to come into contact with sexual predators dancing in a strip club, than in a meeja studee's type job.

The conviction rate for rape is higher than for other comparable crimes. Please stop discouraging people from reporting this crime.

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For me the headline says more about the quality of degrees these days than it does about the intelligence of lap dancers.

Not that I'm suggesting lap dancers are idiots, but picking a career which is likely to last 15 years max doesn't seem all that smart to me.

Personally I have never seen the appeal of lap dancing and strip clubs, it's one of those things that if you refuse to go you get labelled with something, yet in a group of 10 blokes I doubt 9 of them genuinely want to be there.

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For me the headline says more about the quality of degrees these days than it does about the intelligence of lap dancers.

Not that I'm suggesting lap dancers are idiots, but picking a career which is likely to last 15 years max doesn't seem all that smart to me.

Personally I have never seen the appeal of lap dancing and strip clubs, it's one of those things that if you refuse to go you get labelled with something, yet in a group of 10 blokes I doubt 9 of them genuinely want to be there.

Yeah, that David Beckham, what an idiot. Since his career only lasted 15 years I bet he is seriously regretting not taking that milk round instead of opting for Man Utd. Lap dancers can make more in two nights than most people make in a week. Two shifts a week = an income of at least 24k a year. But then I doubt Mr Tax is fully informed given that its cash in, er, hand. This is what they mean by being "trapped in the job" by the money. The story is always the same, they say they'll save it, then they spend it and take out credit as well. All of a sudden you have a requirement to earn 50k a year at the age of 24 to maintain your lifestyle. There are few careers where that is even remotely possible no matter how many degrees you have outside the other form of snatching people's money and waving your genitals in their faces that we refer to as "the City".

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i went once , couldnt see the point

be cheaper to just hire a hooker and you get more for your money

I think you need to upgrade your hooker selection. Suggest two bits and a paper bag might be good value but four bits without the paper bag is a better deal.

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Yeah, that David Beckham, what an idiot. Since his career only lasted 15 years I bet he is seriously regretting not taking that milk round instead of opting for Man Utd. Lap dancers can make more in two nights than most people make in a week. Two shifts a week = an income of at least 24k a year. But then I doubt Mr Tax is fully informed given that its cash in, er, hand. This is what they mean by being "trapped in the job" by the money. The story is always the same, they say they'll save it, then they spend it and take out credit as well. All of a sudden you have a requirement to earn 50k a year at the age of 24 to maintain your lifestyle. There are few careers where that is even remotely possible no matter how many degrees you have outside the other form of snatching people's money and waving your genitals in their faces that we refer to as "the City".

Yep...Get £50k plus a year for, I suspect doing a lot less hours than a crap office type job. I wonder how many are also escorts or who have a sugar daddy they can sponge off?

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One dancer told researchers: "There's not enough security. I know of girls who have been raped and abused at work. You cannot go to the police as you are a stripper, so there's no legal standing."

Sorry, but I simply don't believe this. It's 2010, not 1953, and I flatly refuse to believe that police would simply ignore a complaint of rape. I also find it very difficult to believe that these women (intelligent and educated as they are - the whole point of the article) would think that.

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Why copy this here? There was a long thread about this work last year where everyone (but me) agreed it was a waste of money to hire a part time RA to do the interviews. Clearly nobody is interested. It is much better if we continue to agree with the Guardian columnists who tells us lap dancers are poorly paid and unhappy and that government policy continues to reflect their views.<br /><br />

This, incidentally, is a terrible thing for someone to falsely believe...just in case anyone in this position is reading:

You can go to the police, there is a legal standing, you are working in a legal, licensed industry this side of the Guardian feminists taking that away from you.

Beat me to it.

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Women with degrees? :o

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The change in the licensing laws governing lap-dancing clubs came after a campaign by the Fawcett Society and Object, the women's rights organisations.

And how many strippers are members of these women's rights organisations? My guess; probably zero. But I expect that they're over the moon that bunch a of jealous ugly feminists (there are no attractive feminists/leftists) are looking out for them and 'improving' the working condtions of an industry they know nothing about, with force.

They have welcomed the change in the law but called for it to go further, saying "lap-dance clubs are a form of commercial sexual exploitation and promote the sexist view that women are sex objects".

Well yes, that's the whole point of the industry. It's just an free exchange between two parties, why do others feel the need to involve themselves in free market transactions?

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And how many strippers are members of these women's rights organisations? My guess; probably zero. But I expect that they're over the moon that bunch a of jealous ugly feminists (there are no attractive feminists/leftists) are looking out for them and 'improving' the working condtions of an industry they know nothing about, with force.

Well yes, that's the whole point of the industry. It's just an free exchange between two parties, why do others feel the need to involve themselves in free market transactions?

Free market ideology aside (and I'm a bit of a fundamentalist) I just don't understand what these people want to achieve? Is their desired outcome a society in which the activities and roles which women can participate in are strictly controlled, and that's ok because its by women and organisations fronted by women rather than men?

Four legs good etc etc ....

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Bit of a non-story this. You could take any job these days and find loads of graduates. In many offices these day, the McAdmin might be done by some girl that scraped a few GCSEs working with colleagues with 2:1s from decent Unis.

The job market doesn't need that many non-drones. The lap dancers have just found a way to get more that £6 an hour.

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Free market ideology aside (and I'm a bit of a fundamentalist) I just don't understand what these people want to achieve? Is their desired outcome a society in which the activities and roles which women can participate in are strictly controlled, and that's ok because its by women and organisations fronted by women rather than men?

Four legs good etc etc ....

Someone else has already said it - it's because the people (usually women) who campaign against this sort of thing are ugly, all of them! They look like shit, probaly can't get a shag and resent that fact that other far more good lookign women can manage to get blokes to use their knobs to open their wallet. It's not about empowering women, it's about bringing other women down to their level - if they can't get it then no one else has any right to.

That all sounds like a bit of an unfair rant but show me a good looking feminist and I'll recant. Actually, I'll make that two good looking feminists as there's always the one exception that proves the rule.

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Someone else has already said it - it's because the people (usually women) who campaign against this sort of thing are ugly, all of them! They look like shit, probaly can't get a shag and resent that fact that other far more good lookign women can manage to get blokes to use their knobs to open their wallet. It's not about empowering women, it's about bringing other women down to their level - if they can't get it then no one else has any right to.

That all sounds like a bit of an unfair rant but show me a good looking feminist and I'll recant. Actually, I'll make that two good looking feminists as there's always the one exception that proves the rule.

Gloria Steinem and Naomi Wolf.

More seriously, the rawness of your post prompts me to ask myself if any female poster has posted here so far. If not, it's about time.

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