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The policeman who found the body of MI6 codebreaker Gareth Williams said it was submerged in ‘fluid’, The Mail on Sunday has learned.

An inquest heard last week that the 31-year-old spy was padlocked in a sports hold-all and left in the bath of his two-bedroom flat in Pimlico, Central London.

But the disclosure that he was also covered by liquid – not thought to be blood or water – has raised fears that a substance was used to accelerate decay and complicate toxicology tests.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309150/Was-body-MI6-spy-submerged-mystery-fluid-speed-decay.html

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And what of the mysterious liquid in the bath? Surely it can't have been his own bodily fluids because the bag would contain them and they wouldn't be enough to submerge the bag to any degree anyway. This detail is now conveniently "forgotten".

Autoasphyxiation in a holdall.... why? There are far simpler methods, and methods that would allow far more bodily movement. Why restrict your own movement in a confined space when your aim is orgasm? And why lock the bag? It just doesn't ring true.

A lot has been made of the fact there was no forced entry to the flat. But why is this so crucial? The flat was an Mi6 safe house. They've admitted that. So obviously Mi6 would have keys and access anyway. So actually that points to Mi6 having involvement.

The body not having marks doesn't say a lot either. Either undetectable poison or perhaps a gas under the door, before leaving him to suffocate unconscious in the holdall. There are many possibilities.

The article talks more about the Mediterranean couple, whom he met suspiciously many times five miles away. So these people were more deeply connected with him than previously thought. Doesn't this point to him being up to something? The couple certainly wouldn't have been Mi6. Why meet Mi6 in some dingy cafe for a few minutes each time when Mi6 headquarters is nearby?

Surely a message. They are willing to go to elobarate measures to kill, see Litvinenko.

As for the cover story, well Hitler was right, the more outrageous the lie the more people are willing to believe it.

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Read in the sunday times that its almost certain that he put himself in the case, locked it and couldn't get out so suffocated.

They say the more outrageous the lie, the more likely people are to believe it, but seriously!

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Read in the sunday times that its almost certain that he put himself in the case, locked it and couldn't get out so suffocated.

They say the more outrageous the lie, the more likely people are to believe it, but seriously!

Link?

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http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/68890,news-comment,news-politics,mi6-man-locked-himself-in-his-holdall-oh-yes-gareth-williams

Paywall on times, but this gives a bit more background

Edit, on iPhone so inserting link a little tricky. May require copy and pasting

The fact that it seems so bizarre is only because people into this sort of stuff are hardly going to go to work and tell their collagues about it.An old college friend of mine told me recently that as a teenager he used to hang a belt of the loft trapdoor and semi strangle himself to increase the power of his orgasm.It doesnt take a lot to work out what happens if he passed out by overdoing it.

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The fact that it seems so bizarre is only because people into this sort of stuff are hardly going to go to work and tell their collagues about it.An old college friend of mine told me recently that as a teenager he used to hang a belt of the loft trapdoor and semi strangle himself to increase the power of his orgasm.It doesnt take a lot to work out what happens if he passed out by overdoing it.

Your friend, you say?

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The fact that it seems so bizarre is only because people into this sort of stuff are hardly going to go to work and tell their collagues about it.An old college friend of mine told me recently that as a teenager he used to hang a belt of the loft trapdoor and semi strangle himself to increase the power of his orgasm.It doesnt take a lot to work out what happens if he passed out by overdoing it.

Headrush.

After the Stephen Milligan case it said in the papers that it receives more publicity in the US and parents are warned to look out for any marks round their sons' necks. Though publicising it like that probably means more tried it. The effect it has on your eyesight because of oxygen starvation / pressure on the nerves was enough to put me off trying.

I agree that you won't usually get to hear of it, I never have though I did hear about something involving cows, it was "a friend". I just nodded but I was certain it was actually him, he was a bit odd and lived on a farm which had cows.

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Ok so we agree some people like to strangle themselves during sexual acts.

So exactly where does this fit in with a bloke apparently locking himself in his own bag in such a way he couldn't get out of it ?

I know there some sick fetishes out there - but essentially burying yourself alive in your own house seems a little extreme....

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Ok so we agree some people like to strangle themselves during sexual acts.

So exactly where does this fit in with a bloke apparently locking himself in his own bag in such a way he couldn't get out of it ?

I know there some sick fetishes out there - but essentially burying yourself alive in your own house seems a little extreme....

Some people are into constraint and constriction. Shutting yourself into a tiny bag and locking it just sounds like a variant of those. Each to their own.

What was the fluid though? Was it there to simulate drowning or a womb like state? I think the word we're looking for here is "specialist".

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The fact that it seems so bizarre is only because people into this sort of stuff are hardly going to go to work and tell their collagues about it.An old college friend of mine told me recently that as a teenager he used to hang a belt of the loft trapdoor and semi strangle himself to increase the power of his orgasm.It doesnt take a lot to work out what happens if he passed out by overdoing it.

Remember that he worked for MI6 doing pretty sensitive work. A friend had an interview for a low level job at the security services and they knew all the different web pages he had visited and asked him about them in the interview. How is it that someone who was working on top level stuff managed to go missing for that length of time before anyone checked on him.

As I said, the more outrageous the lie, the more likely people are to lap it up.

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Your friend, you say?

Just for the record I have no sexual hang-ups (pun intended) I view sexuality as something we are all either born with or is conditioned into us.So,had it been me I would just have said so.

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Remember that he worked for MI6 doing pretty sensitive work. A friend had an interview for a low level job at the security services and they knew all the different web pages he had visited and asked him about them in the interview. How is it that someone who was working on top level stuff managed to go missing for that length of time before anyone checked on him.

As I said, the more outrageous the lie, the more likely people are to lap it up.

I am going to be careful here because it involves someone elses livelihood.But I do know a person with quite high level clearance.There is quite a bit known and disclosed about their sexuality but there is a lot more that is hidden.If it was known I suspect that their clearance would be pretty dramatically downgraded. Asphyxiation and bondage,although probably stemming from the same basic motives and desires are quite different.The former involves a physiological stimulation while the latter is more likely to be a cerebral thing,a feeling of disempowerment that is stimulating to (it is estimated from anonymous research) approximately 20-25% of the adult population.

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It's funny how stories change.......

MI6 spook did NOT die alone: Police certain he was padlocked in bag by someone else

The MI6 spy whose naked body was found in a sports bag in his bath could not have died alone, police believe.

They are now certain he was padlocked into the large holdall by someone else.

Gareth Williams, 31, who was working on secondment for MI6, was alive when he got into - or was forced into – the bag and died from suffocation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315012/MI6-spook-did-NOT-die-Police-certain-padlocked-bag-else.html?ITO=1490

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You need to use a bit of logic on this one.This guy was walking around London quite openly.The CCTV pics show him going in and out of shops.There would be ample opportunities for those who wished to get rid of him to abduct/murder in a manner that would create little direct suspicion.So why kill him in his flat and leave the body to be found? Believe me on this,it's sex.If there are others involved then the game just got a bit out of hand.It's very easy to go too far with this kind of thing.The reason you don't hear a lot more about it is that the police generally help out for the benefit of the families and it gets put down as some kind of accident, which of course it is,albeit in potentially embarassing circumstances.Society should just get used to the fact that many people find this sort of thing exciting.

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Remember that he worked for MI6 doing pretty sensitive work. A friend had an interview for a low level job at the security services and they knew all the different web pages he had visited and asked him about them in the interview. How is it that someone who was working on top level stuff managed to go missing for that length of time before anyone checked on him.

As I said, the more outrageous the lie, the more likely people are to lap it up.

If this is true, and I'm not calling you a liar, why do nonces only get picked up by an illjudged trip to pcworld?

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If this is true, and I'm not calling you a liar, why do nonces only get picked up by an illjudged trip to pcworld?

It's a lack of common sense and knowledge of IT. A guy Mrs P worked with,a primary school head, was called in to head office after the IT consultant had visited the school and invited to resign.This was soon after computers were introduced to schools.Many people,and I think we can include the bacofoil clad glam rocker in this category had no idea that PC's retained the information on hard disc.I know of another teacher who committed suicide after being caught out like this.

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It's a lack of common sense and knowledge of IT. A guy Mrs P worked with,a primary school head, was called in to head office after the IT consultant had visited the school and invited to resign.This was soon after computers were introduced to schools.Many people,and I think we can include the bacofoil clad glam rocker in this category had no idea that PC's retained the information on hard disc.I know of another teacher who committed suicide after being caught out like this.

You missunderstand.

According to Worzel someone went for an interview and they knew all the websites they looked at. If that is possible why arent the authorities doing a kind of reverse lookup to identify all people who have looked at illegal things on the web rather than relying on some barely qualified spotty oik at a big-box retailer to flag them up?

My guess is that there are too many but its just a hunch.

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I am telling the truth based on what I was told. As I understand it, when you apply to work for these people you give them permission to find out stuff about you, and that includes records from your ISP etc, presumably it would not be difficult for them to hack your pc remotely and pick up the history. I guess they don't do this to everyone due to resource constraints. Next time I speak to my mate I will clarify what happened, but I am pretty sure I have this right. This was for a very low level job btw.

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I am telling the truth based on what I was told. As I understand it, when you apply to work for these people you give them permission to find out stuff about you, and that includes records from your ISP etc, presumably it would not be difficult for them to hack your pc remotely and pick up the history. I guess they don't do this to everyone due to resource constraints. Next time I speak to my mate I will clarify what happened, but I am pretty sure I have this right. This was for a very low level job btw.

Wasn't questioning you just interested in how these things are done.

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Wasn't questioning you just interested in how these things are done.

It's a cheap and unimpressive trick to request ISP records; frankly I'd be more impressed if they knew what I'd said to person X last Thursday. (They wouldn't of course.)

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I have no connection with the security services, but have the belief I may be found dead someday! :blink:

Spooky!

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I have no connection with the security services, but have the belief I may be found dead someday! :blink:

Spooky!

In a locked holdall submerged in unknown fluid?

Good luck with that.

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I am telling the truth based on what I was told. As I understand it, when you apply to work for these people you give them permission to find out stuff about you, and that includes records from your ISP etc, presumably it would not be difficult for them to hack your pc remotely and pick up the history. I guess they don't do this to everyone due to resource constraints. Next time I speak to my mate I will clarify what happened, but I am pretty sure I have this right. This was for a very low level job btw.

You give "them" too much credit. Gaining access to a PC, which is usually behind a router and therefore not directly addressable (through IP4) would be exceedingly difficult if even the most basic security measures were taken (firewall on router, windows firewall running). Perhaps governments have secret "backdoors" into windows and routers but I doubt it, someone would have identified the hole by now.

Web history will all be at the ISP level and even then its difficult to identify exactly who the traffic belongs too. If a net connection is shared by a family or friends then it would be difficult to associate the traffic with an individual. Perhaps coincidence could be used (i.e. we know the person was logged into hotmail at this time, therefore net traffic at the time is likely from that person).

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