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Spatial Planning Manager required to deliver excellent services to the people of wycombe district in line with the Council's vision, values, resources, strategic and service priorities. You will lead and manage the Spatial planning service in order to deliver the Council's strategic and service objectives. You will also advise members, partners and staff on. matters relating to the functions policies and services of Spatial Planning. Must have experience of team management within the areas covered by Spatial Planning within a diverse organisation. You must be educated to a Degree level or equivalent. You will have the ability to lead, motivate and challenge others to achieve service objectives.

Oh it pays up to £54,000 pa.

35 hour week, 25 days hols, pension....

http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk/detailjob.aspx?sessionid=4743883a-3104-4be7-a0eb-11bc0852c480&pid=1&j=HWY/28190

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Description:

Spatial Planning Manager required to deliver excellent services to the people of wycombe district in line with the Council's vision, values, resources, strategic and service priorities. You will lead and manage the Spatial planning service in order to deliver the Council's strategic and service objectives. You will also advise members, partners and staff on. matters relating to the functions policies and services of Spatial Planning. Must have experience of team management within the areas covered by Spatial Planning within a diverse organisation. You must be educated to a Degree level or equivalent. You will have the ability to lead, motivate and challenge others to achieve service objectives.

Oh it pays up to £54,000 pa.

35 hour week, 25 days hols, pension....

http://jobseekers.di...d=1&j=HWY/28190

Isn't spatial planning something to do with Feng-Shui and the arrangement of deckchairs on deck?

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Feng Shui of course! LOL.

These jokers still send out a poly-wrapped magazine telling us how wonderful they are - particularly on their recycling. The irony is of course lost on them.

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i think it involves a cursory study of other identikit town centres, and recreating it there

unless Wycombe is secretly competing with NASA?

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Is it the person who manages the dept. that's required to create the policies needed to decide on where to locate the bench in the town centre? I think it must be.

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Aah, another knock the public sector and their useless jobs thread. Just great. So what jobs do you lot do that are so much better at making the world a better place?

Irrelevant.

A detractor could be a lying, thieving homeless drug-addict who adds nothing to the human race. But as he's still paying taxes (unless if VAT has been canceled for lying, thieving homeless drug addicts) then I think it's reasonable that he gets a look in on how those taxes are spent.

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i think it involves a cursory study of other identikit town centres, and recreating it there

unless Wycombe is secretly competing with NASA?

Is it the person who manages the dept. that's required to create the policies needed to decide on where to locate the bench in the town centre? I think it must be.

A quick Google and the answer is "yes", it's the guy who works out how towns should be laid out. Pretty important job, if you want to avoid little problems like a dual carriageway suddenly feeding into a small country lane :)

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A quick Google and the answer is "yes", it's the guy who works out how towns should be laid out. Pretty important job, if you want to avoid little problems like a dual carriageway suddenly feeding into a small country lane :)

Important job couched in silly language. PROBABLY OPEN TO ANYONE TO APPLY, YET ONLY SOMEONE ALREADY IN A COUNCIL WILL LIKELY BE APPOINTED. THERE WILL BE TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THE DEPT NOW AND A PROPORTION WILL BE IDLE AT PUBLIC EXPENSE.

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Aah, another knock the public sector and their useless jobs thread. Just great. So what jobs do you lot do that are so much better at making the world a better place?

I'm the Science and Technology correspondent at The Beano.

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A quick Google and the answer is "yes", it's the guy who works out how towns should be laid out. Pretty important job, if you want to avoid little problems like a dual carriageway suddenly feeding into a small country lane :)

Er, but, towns are already laid out, aren't they?

As for dual carriageways feeding into country lanes, happens all the time in the US :P

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Description:

Spatial Planning Manager required to deliver excellent services to the people of wycombe district in line with the Council's vision, values, resources, strategic and service priorities. You will lead and manage the Spatial planning service in order to deliver the Council's strategic and service objectives. You will also advise members, partners and staff on. matters relating to the functions policies and services of Spatial Planning. Must have experience of team management within the areas covered by Spatial Planning within a diverse organisation. You must be educated to a Degree level or equivalent. You will have the ability to lead, motivate and challenge others to achieve service objectives.

Oh it pays up to £54,000 pa.

35 hour week, 25 days hols, pension....

http://jobseekers.di...d=1&j=HWY/28190

I'm looking forward to retiring - because I am going to have fun with some of these people. The thing that bugs me here - and bugs me in lots of adverts - is this 'you must be educated to a Degree level or equivalent'. WHY?

That discriminates against a whole raft of people who may well be capable of getting a degree but who, for a variety of reasons such as ... being dyslexic, being in care, being a carer as a child, being too poor etc. etc. .... don't have a degree.

It is blatant discrimination - every bit as bad as racial or gender discrimination, but it is so entrenched no-one bats an eyelid.

If a job says 'you must have experience of doing this job' that, clearly, is different - but to say you cannot be a competent spacial Planning officer (or whatever it was) is just the purest nonsense. There might be someone working for the council up the road, looking for new job, who has been that council's whatever officer for 20 years - quite happily and competently doing the job without a degree. But they would not even be considered. It's blatant discrimination.

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A quick Google and the answer is "yes", it's the guy who works out how towns should be laid out. Pretty important job, if you want to avoid little problems like a dual carriageway suddenly feeding into a small country lane :)

Or indeed the idiot who decides that we need to have traffic lights on roundabouts. FFS that really winds me up. Have lights before the roundabout by all means to control the flow of traffic feeding into it, but actually on the roundabout just blocks the damn thing up. And perhaps only have lights on the one or two roads that feed the most traffic.

Still, i suppose these people have friends - I mean contractors to keep happy!

Edited to add: my reasoning is exactly why the job is in public sector speak. They need to keep the clear thinkers out of important roles such as this

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Aah, another knock the public sector and their useless jobs thread. Just great. So what jobs do you lot do that are so much better at making the world a better place?

why at least degree education?

why not an aptitude or experience..Im sure there are thousands of Spatial Specialists Spare in the Private Sector.

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Aah, another knock the public sector and their useless jobs thread. Just great. So what jobs do you lot do that are so much better at making the world a better place?

£1000 per week plus benefits for a manager of a team.

where has the old one gone? to another county for more money?

£54,000...thats council tax on 20 homes...JUST FOR ONE MORE TWERP.

surely councillors are there to decide layouts and policies for Towns.

Oh, and you need a degree to run a few toy cars round a map to see where bottlenecks might be.

How about common sense.

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Aah, another knock the public sector and their useless jobs thread. Just great. So what jobs do you lot do that are so much better at making the world a better place?

I sit on my fat ****, doing as little work as possible to legally claim my tax credits.

It's still a considerably more worthy job than this garbage.

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why at least degree education?

why not an aptitude or experience..Im sure there are thousands of Spatial Specialists Spare in the Private Sector.

An aptitude for laying out town centres???

I'd like to see that demonstrated. Lego bricks, or would Sim City 2000 qualify me?

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An aptitude for laying out town centres???

I'd like to see that demonstrated. Lego bricks, or would Sim City 2000 qualify me?

there is an aptitude for this...my firm sells warehouse racks, so it is important the rep can visualise the space and put in appropriate racks.

we employed a bright young man once....he just couldnt do it. trying to explain an "A" frame rack to him, even with drawings..he just didnt have a "spatial" Brain.

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I overheard a conversation today on the train, between a vulgar git and one of his girlfriends.

The guy is early 20s. He claimed he has a job with the local authority processing some type of claims - couldn't figure out what he was talking about. "All I have to do is sit on my **** for the rest of my life, three and a half grand a month. They send in nine claims to be assessed, I might look at one of them." Conversation sprinkled with "******" and "couldn't give a shit."

Then she described how a friend couldn't get bail, went on remand for two months and ended up with eighteen months, but will only serve seven. And oh yes, how her best friend drove her along a country road at 140 mph and she was, like, "No, Robbo! You're going to kill me! Hahahahahaa."

Pffffff. Just a pair of braggarts.

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I overheard a conversation today on the train, between a vulgar git and one of his girlfriends.

The guy is early 20s. He claimed he has a job with the local authority processing some type of claims - couldn't figure out what he was talking about. "All I have to do is sit on my **** for the rest of my life, three and a half grand a month. They send in nine claims to be assessed, I might look at one of them." Conversation sprinkled with "******" and "couldn't give a shit."

hmmmmm. Sounds like ****** to me and is very vague. More info?

Then she described how a friend couldn't get bail, went on remand for two months and ended up with eighteen months, but will only serve seven. And oh yes, how her best friend drove her along a country road at 140 mph and she was, like, "No, Robbo! You're going to kill me! Hahahahahaa."

Pffffff. Just a pair of braggarts.

Depends whether it was a drive in a car or a ride on a motorbike. The latter can easily result in 140 mph on a short straight. Doubtful in a car unless on a 3-4 mile dual carriageway.

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The guy is early 20s. He claimed he has a job with the local authority processing some type of claims - couldn't figure out what he was talking about. "All I have to do is sit on my **** for the rest of my life, three and a half grand a month. They send in nine claims to be assessed, I might look at one of them." Conversation sprinkled with "******" and "couldn't give a shit."

As I've mentioned before on here I do HR systems and have put in quite a few in local authorities so see the pay scales a lot.

There is no way a benefits officer would be on £3.5k a month unless they were the head of a large department.

A typical wage would be £16k-£23k with team leaders in the £23-28k range

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there is an aptitude for this...my firm sells warehouse racks, so it is important the rep can visualise the space and put in appropriate racks.

we employed a bright young man once....he just couldnt do it. trying to explain an "A" frame rack to him, even with drawings..he just didnt have a "spatial" Brain.

Fair play. But laying out a warehouse vs a town centre is more than a little different I hope you would agree. If you make a mistake in the warehouse layout then the impact is different. The one thing degree courses can teach is the history and the lessons learnt, as well as applying those to new scenarios so as to improve and not make the same mistakes, knowledge lets say. I'm not saying it can't be done outside of University, but it still has to be learn't and employers need to recognise that you do know it somehow. Aptitude is a great start but will only get you so far and doesn't replace knowledge.

Though an advert that just asks for a University Degree and doesn't specify what kind would disprove this. Media studies shouldn't cut it for this job. Personally I think our degrees are killing this country but that's another discussion.

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Fair play. But laying out a warehouse vs a town centre is more than a little different I hope you would agree. If you make a mistake in the warehouse layout then the impact is different. The one thing degree courses can teach is the history and the lessons learnt, as well as applying those to new scenarios so as to improve and not make the same mistakes, knowledge lets say. I'm not saying it can't be done outside of University, but it still has to be learn't and employers need to recognise that you do know it somehow. Aptitude is a great start but will only get you so far and doesn't replace knowledge.

Though an advert that just asks for a University Degree and doesn't specify what kind would disprove this. Media studies shouldn't cut it for this job. Personally I think our degrees are killing this country but that's another discussion.

no, Town planners and councils decide on the layouts for Towns....shurley.

Media studies entitles you to £1000 per week.

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I have seen this sort of thing before.

What happens is that a council employee is selected for the new job.

BUT, the council have to comply with their own guidelines re transparency, fairness etc.

So they write a job description and person description that can only fit the employee already selected.

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