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I have had some freelance work for a month, being paid £300 per month expenses and 20% commission on sales (in specialised recruitment).

In this time I have not been passed any clients (as promised), and have had to listen to the owners big plans 4 times (over 10 hours!). His plans keep changing, so while I have been filled with good ideas for him that I could action it seems pointless.

He does not seem to have a definite product and has not been able to give me his charge out rates.

Today I am going into the office (more expense) to 'make a plan', there won't be one, apart from perhaps another attempted change in what my job is. It was very clear in the interview that I would work from home almost all of the time.

Looking about, I do know freelancers do have to put up with a certain amount of this, how much is too much?

I can drag it out, and be a freelancer who pretends to work (I hate this), but it keeps me off the dole.

I do not think I will see a full time job until my employment tribunal is over (2/3 months), and I have some other, more promising freelance work on spec that could turn into a paying concern, which is far more enjoyable.

Do I dump the timewaster today?

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I have had some freelance work for a month, being paid £300 per month expenses and 20% commission on sales (in specialised recruitment).

In this time I have not been passed any clients (as promised), and have had to listen to the owners big plans 4 times (over 10 hours!). His plans keep changing, so while I have been filled with good ideas for him that I could action it seems pointless.

He does not seem to have a definite product and has not been able to give me his charge out rates.

Today I am going into the office (more expense) to 'make a plan', there won't be one, apart from perhaps another attempted change in what my job is. It was very clear in the interview that I would work from home almost all of the time.

Looking about, I do know freelancers do have to put up with a certain amount of this, how much is too much?

I can drag it out, and be a freelancer who pretends to work (I hate this), but it keeps me off the dole.

I do not think I will see a full time job until my employment tribunal is over (2/3 months), and I have some other, more promising freelance work on spec that could turn into a paying concern, which is far more enjoyable.

Do I dump the timewaster today?

Only you can make that decision.

As a freelancer myself I have wasted a lot of time and money over the years with people like your chap above. At first it is inexperience but, alas, even though you get better at spotting them as the years progress you still make the same mistake from time to time.

You have to know your worth and your value.

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Only you can make that decision.

As a freelancer myself I have wasted a lot of time and money over the years with people like your chap above. At first it is inexperience but, alas, even though you get better at spotting them as the years progress you still make the same mistake from time to time.

You have to know your worth and your value.

Hmmm, could just stick it out until my tribunal is over, it is easier if you give yourself that solid get out date.

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Look for something else in the meantime?

Doing that, although I would like more time for it. I mean to rehabilitate myself from the madness that went on in the last job, which is why I am very wary of this current one, seems to be turning into a fair amount of bulsh!t, where you don't actually do anything for fear of exposing yourself as a fraud. Want to be a million miles away from that attitude.

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Doing that, although I would like more time for it. I mean to rehabilitate myself from the madness that went on in the last job, which is why I am very wary of this current one, seems to be turning into a fair amount of bulsh!t, where you don't actually do anything for fear of exposing yourself as a fraud. Want to be a million miles away from that attitude.

What is in the written contract? You do have a written contract, don't you?

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Doing that, although I would like more time for it. I mean to rehabilitate myself from the madness that went on in the last job, which is why I am very wary of this current one, seems to be turning into a fair amount of bulsh!t, where you don't actually do anything for fear of exposing yourself as a fraud. Want to be a million miles away from that attitude.

This sounds very similar to the issues in the last job all over again. Do you somehow subconsciously or consciously have a propensity to these roles.

I'm also worried you might be disappointed with the outcome of this trubunal and need to possibly brace yourself accordingly.

I know these aren't seemingly very supportive comments, and could quite well be plain wrong but, perhaps need considering.

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Have a look on contractoruk, this is the house price forum :blink:

Yep, this is a broad church of all-comers interested in house prices. I can't believe anyone would mistakenly think it had an extreme over-representation of self-employed IT people. The bl00dy cheek.

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This sounds very similar to the issues in the last job all over again. Do you somehow subconsciously or consciously have a propensity to these roles.

I'm also worried you might be disappointed with the outcome of this trubunal and need to possibly brace yourself accordingly.

I know these aren't seemingly very supportive comments, and could quite well be plain wrong but, perhaps need considering.

Spot on, I think I am still over sensitive and impatient with people, not normal for me. I do not have a propensity for this. However I think we have hit the last straw when I was forced into a lunch meeting where I was made to pay for my own. I do not have a budget for spending £10 on crap sausage and mash in a sh!t pub, just to listen to his hokum. What a git. A few years ago I probably would have let this pass.

The tribunal is technically won, I expect the outcome to cover my losses, as I have proved, with written evidence now, that all allegations are false. I would recommend to anyone making audio recordings of meetings. In my recording he disproves two of his own lies and is also aggressive and swearing. It won't be any sort of triumph, it is all rather sad, and another year of my life wasted on that awful company.

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What is in the written contract? You do have a written contract, don't you?

I have a written contract lasting until the end of October.

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I have had some freelance work for a month, being paid £300 per month expenses and 20% commission on sales (in specialised recruitment).

In this time I have not been passed any clients (as promised), and have had to listen to the owners big plans 4 times (over 10 hours!). His plans keep changing, so while I have been filled with good ideas for him that I could action it seems pointless.

He does not seem to have a definite product and has not been able to give me his charge out rates.

Today I am going into the office (more expense) to 'make a plan', there won't be one, apart from perhaps another attempted change in what my job is. It was very clear in the interview that I would work from home almost all of the time.

Looking about, I do know freelancers do have to put up with a certain amount of this, how much is too much?

I can drag it out, and be a freelancer who pretends to work (I hate this), but it keeps me off the dole.

I do not think I will see a full time job until my employment tribunal is over (2/3 months), and I have some other, more promising freelance work on spec that could turn into a paying concern, which is far more enjoyable.

Do I dump the timewaster today?

Well were you promised clients in the written contract? If the charge-out rates are relevant, why did you not get these referred to appropriately in the contract (in a manner that would let you know how much you would be paid in relation to the charge-out rates)? Were travel costs to visit this guy covered?

Always get a comprehensive written contract when freelancing.

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