Pick It Down Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Towards the end of the annual melting season it appears Arctic Ice has once again defied the alarmists' predictions of disappearing completely in summer. Hopefully now the clique have left the forum we can discuss things like this without facepalms and kittens spoiling the thread. However my original login has been lost in the meantime - mods any chance of sorting that out. I presume someone has took my original login and used it over there therefore getting me banned here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Towards the end of the annual melting season it appears Arctic Ice has once again defied the alarmists' predictions of disappearing completely in summer. Doesn't look good though tbh. I'd rather see a long term graph, are those variations normal and not an issue, how does the level fit with the last 100 years. Hopefully now the clique have left the forum we can discuss things like this without facepalms and kittens spoiling the thread. However my original login has been lost in the meantime - mods any chance of sorting that out. I presume someone has took my original login and used it over there therefore getting me banned here. AFAIK bans were only for things done on here, you would only have had your PMs withdrawn if you were impersonated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pick It Down Posted August 21, 2010 Author Share Posted August 21, 2010 Doesn't look good though tbh. I'd rather see a long term graph, are those variations normal and not an issue, how does the level fit with the last 100 years. Here's a global graph. Prior to 1979 we have to rely on anecdotes - and there is evidence that Arctic ice has a ~60 year cycle as around the 1940s it had another spell of the ice shrinking, but it eventually recovered and then all the scientists were mentioning the oncoming new ice age AFAIK bans were only for things done on here, you would only have had your PMs withdrawn if you were impersonated. I am just completely unable to log in under my old name. Contacting moderators seems impossible unless you create another login to mention it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Clearly as the ice is returning, we should now have a tax to pay for iceberg detection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DeepLurker Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 I'm no expert on the subject - but who predicted that the artic ice sheet would completely disappear this summer? I got the impression that it was something that was "likely" to happen in 5-10 years. Could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Here's a global graph. Prior to 1979 we have to rely on anecdotes - and there is evidence that Arctic ice has a ~60 year cycle as around the 1940s it had another spell of the ice shrinking, but it eventually recovered and then all the scientists were mentioning the oncoming new ice age That's more like it, the first graph IMO was actually supporting MMGW. I am just completely unable to log in under my old name. Contacting moderators seems impossible unless you create another login to mention it. There is an e-mail: forum@housepricecrash.co.uk to contact if you have a problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pick It Down Posted August 21, 2010 Author Share Posted August 21, 2010 Mods you appear to have missed one. I'm no expert on the subject - but who predicted that the artic ice sheet would completely disappear this summer? I got the impression that it was something that was "likely" to happen in 5-10 years. Could be wrong though. The low point in 2007 was deemed to be because of global warming and because the newly formed ice would be thin ("rotten") and it would melt even quicker in a vicious cycle, etc. What seems to have happened was the wind patterns in 2007 blew the ice out into warmer waters where it melted. That hasn't happened since and we have had a good recovery. To find who predicted the ice would disappear I suggest using Google because there were plenty who called it! That's more like it, the first graph IMO was actually supporting MMGW. There is an e-mail: forum@housepricecrash.co.uk to contact if you have a problems. Thanks, I'll give that a bash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepLurker Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 To find who predicted the ice would disappear I suggest using Google because there were plenty who called it! Thanks, but I can't be bothered. You're standing there making fun of the "alarmists", but you can't be bothered to say who they were, what their precise statements were, or when they made them. "Just google it". Well, you made the claim, so you back it up or else shut up. What is it about the MMGW debates; they always seem to attract people with the intellect and debating skills of a midge*? * and I'm talking about both sides of the debate. Just so we're clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Blair Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Thanks, but I can't be bothered. do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Here's a global graph. Prior to 1979 we have to rely on anecdotes - and there is evidence that Arctic ice has a ~60 year cycle as around the 1940s it had another spell of the ice shrinking, but it eventually recovered and then all the scientists were mentioning the oncoming new ice age I am just completely unable to log in under my old name. Contacting moderators seems impossible unless you create another login to mention it. So the ice sheets have shrunk since 1979? Is this supposed to support the case against global warming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeholder Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 http://wattsupwiththat.com/sea-ice-page/ all your sea ice news here. Antarctic seems to be heading for a record sea ice extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Mods you appear to have missed one. Sorry, I forgot that on here there is only one point of view and no opposition will be tolerated. Whither freedom of speech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 So the ice sheets have shrunk since 1979? Is this supposed to support the case against global warming? Global warming is not an issue. MAN MADE global warming is a claim that must be proved or denied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Global warming is not an issue. Yes it is. Some people claim it's stopped. It certainly seems to have slowed down recently. Not sure myself. Too early to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Yes it is. Some people claim it's stopped. It certainly seems to have slowed down recently. Not sure myself. Too early to tell. Only an imbecile would say temperature change has stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Only an imbecile would say temperature change has stopped. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Only an imbecile would say temperature change has stopped. Yeah, but what about global warming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Yeah, but what about global warming? duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 What is it about the MMGW debates; they always seem to attract people with the intellect and debating skills of a midge*? * and I'm talking about both sides of the debate. Just so we're clear. I see what you mean now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pick It Down Posted August 21, 2010 Author Share Posted August 21, 2010 Thanks, but I can't be bothered. You're standing there making fun of the "alarmists", but you can't be bothered to say who they were, what their precise statements were, or when they made them. "Just google it". Well, you made the claim, so you back it up or else shut up. What is it about the MMGW debates; they always seem to attract people with the intellect and debating skills of a midge*? * and I'm talking about both sides of the debate. Just so we're clear. "Arctic sea ice is now retreating so quickly that scientists say there is now a 50-50 chance that it will have gone completely by September." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3345666/North-Pole-ice-may-disappear-by-September.html So the ice sheets have shrunk since 1979? Is this supposed to support the case against global warming? All within natural variability. Sorry, I forgot that on here there is only one point of view and no opposition will be tolerated. Whither freedom of speech? Freedom of speech is allowed here. I made 4 posts this morning at the other place and got promptly banned for daring to disagree with their clique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 All within natural variability. You agree it's still down, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pick It Down Posted August 21, 2010 Author Share Posted August 21, 2010 You agree it's still down, though. That is what the data shows, slightly. I'm not sure what negative consequences it has posed though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 That is what the data shows, slightly. I'm not sure what negative consequences it has posed though? Might just be becuase of the upward trend in the last couple of years. This might be coming to and end. Haven't the last five months all been the hottest on record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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