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Came across this site

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/

via a thread on MSE

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2630339

Apparently they are attempting to make a vast database of hearsay and unsubstantiated claims on tenants accessible across the country by LLs.

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/about.html

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/d47_data_protection.html

If you want to check to see if you are on it, they charge you a tenner.

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/LRS_Tenant_Information_Request.pdf

They appear to be covering their backsides (or attempting to) by getting a tenant to agree to this on their tenancy agreement

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/Template_Tenancy_Agreement.pdf

What is the legality of this?

Edit for spelling

Edited by FaFa!

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This seems is very dodgy, but I am not an expert. To hold unsubstantiated information could leave them open to claims of defamation or liable at least. They would of course have to be data protection registered, but that is no big thing. Charging £10 seems unreasonable and against the regulation.

Edit to add - they do require 'evidence', but they don't give any opportunity for tenants to argue their case, so could easily be open to abuse.

Edited by Ride_on

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Mods - please leave this for a while before moving. Cheers!

Came across this site

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/

via a thread on MSE

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2630339

Apparently they are attempting to make a vast database of hearsay and unsubstantiated claims on tenants accessible across the country by LLs.

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/about.html

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/d47_data_protection.html

If you want to check to see if you are on it, they charge you a tenner.

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/LRS_Tenant_Information_Request.pdf

They appear to be covering their backsides (or attempting to) by getting a tenant to agree to this on their tenancy agreement

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/Template_Tenancy_Agreement.pdf

What is the legality of this?

Edit for spelling

Write a polite letter:

Dear Sir,

Under the terms of the data protection act I am entitled to see a copy of any and all data you have on me, regardless of the format in which it it stored, and to have you correct those records if they are inaccurate.

In accordance with the act, please find enclosed a £2 coin, to cover your costs.

Note that if you fail to respond promptly and in full to this request you will be in breach of the data protection act and will be reported to the data protection registrar, who is able to levy penalties including but not limited to, fines, imprisonment and prohibition of data storage.

Kind Regards,

RufflesTheGuineaPig

enc

When you get the details through, feel free to sue them for liable.

Edited by RufflesTheGuineaPig

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The FAQs are here:

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/d1_faq.html#p29

which make interesting reading:

Is it really that important that I upload my tenants?

Yes. The most important part of your membership is that you upload your current tenants and it is also of significant importance to upload what you can remember from previous years.

LRS’s heart relies upon up to date and honest information. It is imperative that this tool is used by Landlords a habit rather than just when they need it in order to keep the information fresh and therefore useful.

What you can remember from previous years? :huh:

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Write a polite letter:

Dear Sir,

Under the terms of the data protection act I am entitled to see a copy of any and all data you have on me, regardless of the format in which it it stored, and to have you correct those records if they are inaccurate.

In accordance with the act, please find enclosed a £2 coin, to cover your costs.

Note that if you fail to respond promptly and in full to this request you will be in breach of the data protection act and will be reported to the data protection registrar, who is able to levy penalties including but not limited to, fines, imprisonment and prohibition of data storage.

Kind Regards,

RufflesTheGuineaPig

enc

When you get the details through, feel free to sue them for liable.

Who do I sue for liable? The LL or the website?

It appears £10 is ok, according to the ICO

http://www.ico.gov.uk/Global/faqs/data_protection_for_the_public.aspx#1FA299F9-5F89-4447-A429-31333BCCEAED

Anyone have the actual wording of the law?

Edited by FaFa!

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Mods - please leave this for a while before moving. Cheers!

Came across this site

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/

via a thread on MSE

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2630339

Apparently they are attempting to make a vast database of hearsay and unsubstantiated claims on tenants accessible across the country by LLs.

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/about.html

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/d47_data_protection.html

If you want to check to see if you are on it, they charge you a tenner.

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/LRS_Tenant_Information_Request.pdf

They appear to be covering their backsides (or attempting to) by getting a tenant to agree to this on their tenancy agreement

http://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/contents/en-uk/Template_Tenancy_Agreement.pdf

What is the legality of this?

Edit for spelling

Looking at their tenancy agreement template, it doesn't matter whether it's "legal" or not. It'll be the usual take the contract as it is or get lost reaction; I've yet to come across a slumlord or letting agent who understands the concept of negotiating when it comes to contracts.

Of course a contract that you aren't allowed to amend breaks the unfair contracts legislation but your chances of getting anywhere with that are somewhere between nil and zero. Last but one rental contract I signed, I asked two different people at the letting agency, at different times, whether the contract could be altered. They both said no, take it or leave it. The contract said across the top that it had been drawn up with reference to the unfair clauses legislation. Yes, indeed; they had referred to the unfair clauses legislation and then chosen to ignore it.

Looked round one house a few years ago, the previous tenants had slashed the carpets. It gave me a nice warm glow inside. Websites like this will merely increase the antagonism between slumlords and tenants which, hopefully, will get so bad that slumlords and letting agents will be properly regulated. Meanwhile as a former respectable middle-class tenant who always paid on time, yet was treated like scum by slumlords various, I wish you tenants from hell.

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Looking at their tenancy agreement template, it doesn't matter whether it's "legal" or not. It'll be the usual take the contract as it is or get lost reaction; I've yet to come across a slumlord or letting agent who understands the concept of negotiating when it comes to contracts.

Of course a contract that you aren't allowed to amend breaks the unfair contracts legislation but your chances of getting anywhere with that are somewhere between nil and zero. Last but one rental contract I signed, I asked two different people at the letting agency, at different times, whether the contract could be altered. They both said no, take it or leave it. The contract said across the top that it had been drawn up with reference to the unfair clauses legislation. Yes, indeed; they had referred to the unfair clauses legislation and then chosen to ignore it.

Looked round one house a few years ago, the previous tenants had slashed the carpets. It gave me a nice warm glow inside. Websites like this will merely increase the antagonism between slumlords and tenants which, hopefully, will get so bad that slumlords and letting agents will be properly regulated. Meanwhile as a former respectable middle-class tenant who always paid on time, yet was treated like scum by slumlords various, I wish you tenants from hell.

Clearly a new organisation or website is required to classify and review landlords. Seems a wordpress blog with a review (star rating plugin) should do the job.

After all there are no shortage of "review" sites on the web.

Fight fire with fire I say.

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And you get posters on here wondering why people want to buy houses. Because if you rent you'll liable to get this kind of shyte, would be one very good reason.

As to landlords and letting agents being regulated, not a hope in hell under this government. See http://communities.gov.uk/news/housing/1612019

Edit: to make my position clear, I think renting should just as practical and bearable a way of housing oneself and one's family as buying. I also think it isn't at the moment, and that it isn't likely to be in the near future as the problems with renting aren't going to be addressed.

Edited by Snugglybear

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[whois.nic.uk]

Domain name:

landlordreferencing.co.uk

Registrant:

Paul Routledge

Registrant type:

UK Individual

Registrant's address:

The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their

address omitted from the WHOIS service.

Run by Paul Routledge of Cadogan house Investment Propertues

Domain name:

cadoganhouse.co.uk

Registrant:

Sharon Routledge

Registrant type:

Unknown

Registrant's address:

12,, Meiros Way

Ashington

West Sussex

RH20 3QB

United Kingdom

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[whois.nic.uk]

Domain name:

landlordreferencing.co.uk

Registrant:

Paul Routledge

Registrant type:

UK Individual

Registrant's address:

The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their

address omitted from the WHOIS service.

Run by Paul Routledge of Cadogan house Investment Properties

Domain name:

cadoganhouse.co.uk

Registrant:

Sharon Routledge

Registrant type:

Unknown

Registrant's address:

12,, Meiros Way

Ashington

West Sussex

RH20 3QB

United Kingdom

I agree with the other poster. Another good reason to buy a house.

Edited by Sir John Steed

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Who do I sue for liable? The LL or the website?

It appears £10 is ok, according to the ICO

http://www.ico.gov.uk/Global/faqs/data_protection_for_the_public.aspx#1FA299F9-5F89-4447-A429-31333BCCEAED

Anyone have the actual wording of the law?

Sounds like a damn good idea. Will hopefully stop some of the liers who avoid declaring whether they have stiffed a previous LL and try to get into the next place by saying they lived with family. Most problems start with the tenant and not with the LL

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Write a polite letter:

Dear Sir,

Under the terms of the data protection act I am entitled to see a copy of any and all data you have on me, regardless of the format in which it it stored, and to have you correct those records if they are inaccurate.

In accordance with the act, please find enclosed a £2 coin, to cover your costs.

Note that if you fail to respond promptly and in full to this request you will be in breach of the data protection act and will be reported to the data protection registrar, who is able to levy penalties including but not limited to, fines, imprisonment and prohibition of data storage.

Kind Regards,

RufflesTheGuineaPig

enc

When you get the details through, feel free to sue them for liable.

If a tenant hasnt been a problem he wont be on it will he. Nothing to worry about, and better for good tenants.

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[whois.nic.uk]

Domain name:

landlordreferencing.co.uk

Registrant:

Paul Routledge

Registrant type:

UK Individual

Registrant's address:

The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their

address omitted from the WHOIS service.

Run by Paul Routledge of Cadogan house Investment Properties

Domain name:

cadoganhouse.co.uk

Registrant:

Sharon Routledge

Registrant type:

Unknown

Registrant's address:

12,, Meiros Way

Ashington

West Sussex

RH20 3QB

United Kingdom

I agree with the other poster. Another good reason to buy a house.

Yes, all tenants should buy a house. To experience what a load of agro being a LL is.

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If a tenant hasnt been a problem he wont be on it will he. Nothing to worry about, and better for good tenants.

You are either naive, a landlord or worse.

Scenario: LL tries to withhold tenant's deposit unlawfully, claiming falsely that the tenant has caused damage. Or, landlord fails to carry out repairs, provide gas safety certificate or fulfil his other responsibilities. Or, landlord is illegally renting out a property on an OO mortgage, and the tenant is receiving arrears warnings from the lender. The tenant pursues the landlord through the TDS appeals mechanism and/or the Small Claims Court and wins. LL then provides false and malicious information to this database as an act of revenge.

Hopefully, tenants will refuse en masse to sign a provision in their AST allowing their landlords to upload any information about them to these people, and the idea will effectively be strangled at birth.

Agreed entirely that a similar database about landlords and letting agents compiled by tenants would be a good idea.

Edited by The Ayatollah Buggeri

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Yes, all tenants should buy a house. To experience what a load of agro being a LL is.

Yeah, I know what you mean. It'll only be by buying a house that I'll experience the true horrors of being a slumlord. Every morning looking in the mirror, there'll be the little sh!te that's making my life miserable. She's never happy, always moaning about the decor or having to keep the garden tidy or - well, there'll always be something. I'm just never happy with myself. It's a b*mm*r, isn't it, that buying a house has to lead to being a slumlord as some bizarre cognitive dissonance kicks in and you fall apart. I'm sure Camus wrote something about it, or maybe it was Sartre. Perhaps hell is always the little sh!te who lives in your house.

Edit - buying, not being! Freudian typo...

Edited by munro

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Looking at their tenancy agreement template, it doesn't matter whether it's "legal" or not. It'll be the usual take the contract as it is or get lost reaction; I've yet to come across a slumlord or letting agent who understands the concept of negotiating when it comes to contracts.

Of course a contract that you aren't allowed to amend breaks the unfair contracts legislation but your chances of getting anywhere with that are somewhere between nil and zero. Last but one rental contract I signed, I asked two different people at the letting agency, at different times, whether the contract could be altered. They both said no, take it or leave it. The contract said across the top that it had been drawn up with reference to the unfair clauses legislation. Yes, indeed; they had referred to the unfair clauses legislation and then chosen to ignore it.

Looked round one house a few years ago, the previous tenants had slashed the carpets. It gave me a nice warm glow inside. Websites like this will merely increase the antagonism between slumlords and tenants which, hopefully, will get so bad that slumlords and letting agents will be properly regulated. Meanwhile as a former respectable middle-class tenant who always paid on time, yet was treated like scum by slumlords various, I wish you tenants from hell.

Respectable tenants have nothing to fear , in fact it will be better for them. Hopefully it will help a bit to weedle out those who deliberatly lie about past tenant from hell episodes, like the slashers that gave you a warm glow.

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You are either naive, a landlord or worse.

Scenario: LL tries to withhold tenant's deposit unlawfully, claiming falsely that the tenant has caused damage. Or, landlord fails to carry out repairs, provide gas safety certificate or fulfil his other responsibilities. Or, landlord is illegally renting out a property on an OO mortgage, and the tenant is receiving arrears warnings from the lender. The tenant pursues the landlord through the TDS appeals mechanism and/or the Small Claims Court and wins. LL then provides false and malicious information to this database as an act of revenge.

Hopefully, tenants will refuse en masse to sign a provision in their AST allowing their landlords to upload any information about them to these people, and the idea will effectively be strangled at birth.

Agreed entirely that a similar database about landlords and letting agents compiled by tenants would be a good idea.

A similar one would be a good idea. The more ways to identify problem tenants and landlords the better.

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Yeah, I know what you mean. It'll only be by buying a house that I'll experience the true horrors of being a slumlord. Every morning looking in the mirror, there'll be the little sh!te that's making my life miserable. She's never happy, always moaning about the decor or having to keep the garden tidy or - well, there'll always be something. I'm just never happy with myself. It's a b*mm*r, isn't it, that buying a house has to lead to being a slumlord as some bizarre cognitive dissonance kicks in and you fall apart. I'm sure Camus wrote something about it, or maybe it was Sartre. Perhaps hell is always the little sh!te who lives in your house.

Edit - buying, not being! Freudian typo...

Its true that once you become a LL, whether accidental or not, you see a different type of arseholes that you might never have come across in life.

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Its true that once you become a LL, whether accidental or not, you see a different type of arseholes that you might never have come across in life.

You can accidentally pee in your pants, or accidentally drop your phone down the loo, but you can't accidentally become a landlord. It involves a premeditated voluntary act of will to do that. There might be lots of reasons why you'd rather be a landlord than sell, but it's still a conscious decision.

Otherwise I think the thrust of my post went, so to speak, right over your head.

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Sounds like a genius, scam business model to me. Pretend to set up a referencing service, seed forums with news of the 'service' then charge worried/outraged tenants £10 to tell them that they aren't listed.

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Sounds like a genius, scam business model to me. Pretend to set up a referencing service, seed forums with news of the 'service' then charge worried/outraged tenants £10 to tell them that they aren't listed.

So let's have a privately-run database of ... hmmm ...

shopkeepers who give problems when you return an item

noisy neighbours

paedophiles

people who [look at me funny|ogle my cleavage] [delete as appropriate]

people who smell

people with annoying voices

people who stay up all night

... hmmm ...

people who keep databases wide open to malicious abuse

I believe there is some kind of rate-my-agents site, isn't there? It's moderated, though.

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Respectable tenants have nothing to fear , in fact it will be better for them. Hopefully it will help a bit to weedle out those who deliberatly lie about past tenant from hell episodes, like the slashers that gave you a warm glow.

If you're innocent, you have nothing to fear? The argument of tyrants and retards alike.

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