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Back when the Berlin Wall was knocked down, Raves were de rigeur and general optimism swept the planet, I was all for One World, a World Without Borders, a united Human Race.

It sounded great.... the possibilities were endless. No more poverty. No more war. No more visa applications  :rolleyes:.

Now look what we have today. Globalisation has brought us job cuts, lowered living standards, fear and uncertainty. Those in poverty are still there. The sweatshops in Bangladesh and China just get bigger, not better.

Border controls are worse than ever. Take your belt off, take your shoes off, put your coke in a plastic bag, behave like a docile cow at security or you will be tasered... unless you are crossing from a shit Country to a good one.

Freedoms you once took for granted are now called "privileges". Privilege: nouna special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people : education is a right, not a privilege | he has been accustomed all his life to wealth and privilege. I was in a US hotel a week or so ago. Parking was an additional $30 a day. But I had "in-out" privileges. Thanks.

The great optimism lead us all into a false sense of security.

Ever been had?

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Back when the Berlin Wall was knocked down, Raves were de rigeur and general optimism swept the planet, I was all for One World, a World Without Borders, a united Human Race.

It sounded great.... the possibilities were endless. No more poverty. No more war. No more visa applications  :rolleyes:.

Which is why rave drugs should be illegal! :lol:

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Back when the Berlin Wall was knocked down, Raves were de rigeur and general optimism swept the planet, I was all for One World, a World Without Borders, a united Human Race.

It sounded great.... the possibilities were endless. No more poverty. No more war. No more visa applications  :rolleyes:.

Now look what we have today. Globalisation has brought us job cuts, lowered living standards, fear and uncertainty. Those in poverty are still there. The sweatshops in Bangladesh and China just get bigger, not better.

Border controls are worse than ever. Take your belt off, take your shoes off, put your coke in a plastic bag, behave like a docile cow at security or you will be tasered... unless you are crossing from a shit Country to a good one.

Freedoms you once took for granted are now called "privileges". Privilege: nouna special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people : education is a right, not a privilege | he has been accustomed all his life to wealth and privilege. I was in a US hotel a week or so ago. Parking was an additional $30 a day. But I had "in-out" privileges. Thanks.

The great optimism lead us all into a false sense of security.

Ever been had?

It has always been thus hasn't it?

The postawar era of relative prosperity is a mere blister on the face of humanity. For the most part, the vast majority have been kept in abject poverty and misery with only religion to keep them on the straight and narrow.

It's our blind faith that our modern post-war industrialised society can continue forever that stops us from seeing what is really going on in the world, the rape of the people by banks and corporations and the deceit and lies of the political elite.

The vast majority still just don't get it.................for the moment, anyway

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Certainly the euphoria of the nineties was short lived.

NATO, with a lot of help from the EU - plus some arm-twisting, simply reverse-engineered the Iron Curtain all the way to Russia's borders.

The Berlin Wall was just moved: it's called Schengen and it walls off the exclave of Kaliningrad. About a million people are effectively imprisoned here - people who until 2005 could interact freely with their European neighbours.

The expansion of the EU and the re-unification of Germany is generally considered a success story - unless you happen to be a casualty. Over half the population of East Germany lost their jobs overnight.

Naturally most of the cheap production of the Eastern European countries either failed, once it lost its traditional markets, or it was moved by multinationals to Asia. The banks moved in and you now see the Baltics becoming failed, pauper states, like Latvia.

Meanwhile in Poland, the hero of that era, Lech Walensa, can reflect that the EU has reduced his heroic, 20,000 strong workforce at Gdansk shipyard to just 2,000.

Any winners?

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When you ask the people of Eastern Europe who have experience of living under both communism and capitalism, the 'joy' at being liberated from communism is somewhat absent...

There is not a single country where the majority of people claim to better off now than under communism.

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If you look at the level of intrusion into our lives by the government today in Britain it is far in excess of what the Stazi ever achieved, the reality was fear of what the Stazi might know kept people in check.

If we have another decade of the rich getting richer and the poor paying for their feck ups I wouldn't be surprised if some of them chucked the towel in and go back.

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Knowing E Europe as I do, most people are not happy with how things have turned out. Can you give me more info on that survey...?

Auld Lech is a turd. When I was last in Polska, I was reading about imported Asian labour in the dockyards coz all the locals had fled abroad.

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Knowing E Europe as I do, most people are not happy with how things have turned out. Can you give me more info on that survey...?

Auld Lech is a turd. When I was last in Polska, I was reading about imported Asian labour in the dockyards coz all the locals had fled abroad.

The piccy was nicked from here

http://pewresearch.o...r/?NumberID=996

Full report here (100 page PDF warning)

http://www.google.co...aP1Z7QckAQ7P_3w

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Yes, the world is an ugly place today. That's why I think the only way out to is rags to riches, make your own fortune. With money comes power and influence. Money is the only thing that talks today.

That's why I don't work a slave job anymore. It poisons your mind and, even if you are doing OK, you will live a slave existence. You will not escape the vicious circle of thoughts. You will never be truly free.

I also think its worth the public trying to f**k the NWO and globalisation on single issues.

For example, piracy. I encourage everyone to download for free. Screw the globalists.

Drugs is another one. This is a tough fight but looks like one that we might be winning. What I really wish for is for growers to really try hard to develop a strain that will grow pretty much anywhere. It doesn't need to produce a high yield of buds or even taste great. Even if it is weak weed, it doesn't matter.

Imagine if weed was as hardy as real weeds, nettles and the like. It would proliferate like crazy and the government could never get rid of it! Another "up yours" to the globalists, especially the UN.

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When you ask the people of Eastern Europe who have experience of living under both communism and capitalism, the 'joy' at being liberated from communism is somewhat absent...

There is not a single country where the majority of people claim to better off now than under communism.

If we have another decade of the rich getting richer and the poor paying for their feck ups I wouldn't be surprised if some of them chucked the towel in and go back.

It's really interesting to witness the level of 'Ostalgia' in East Germany. In the Baltic states there was a strong push to rewrite history and eradicate the (occupied) past, but a lot of socialist era artefacts co-exist quite happily in Germany. The DDR museum in Berlin is one of the most popular attractions, the old Stalinallee (Karl Marx Allee) is listed and protected, some of the most popular recent films have had 'Ostalgia' themes - from 'Goodbye Lenin' to the current 'Boxhagener Platz'.

The Baltics would have been far better off forming their own economic bloc, continuing to trade with Russia and enjoying cheap energy. It never was remotely possible for the Eastern European countries to replace all its traditional export markets from within the EU, whether for Latvian sprats or Czech trams.

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Back when the Berlin Wall was knocked down, Raves were de rigeur and general optimism swept the planet, I was all for One World, a World Without Borders, a united Human Race.

It sounded great.... the possibilities were endless. No more poverty. No more war. No more visa applications :rolleyes:.

Now look what we have today. Globalisation has brought us job cuts, lowered living standards, fear and uncertainty. Those in poverty are still there. The sweatshops in Bangladesh and China just get bigger, not better.

Border controls are worse than ever. Take your belt off, take your shoes off, put your coke in a plastic bag, behave like a docile cow at security or you will be tasered... unless you are crossing from a shit Country to a good one.

Freedoms you once took for granted are now called "privileges". Privilege: nouna special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people : education is a right, not a privilege | he has been accustomed all his life to wealth and privilege. I was in a US hotel a week or so ago. Parking was an additional $30 a day. But I had "in-out" privileges. Thanks.

The great optimism lead us all into a false sense of security.

Ever been had?

Nice to see I'm not the only one who gets annoyed by 'privilege' syndrome. The notion that using word 'right' is unacceptable just shows how much brain damage and propaganda people have swallowed. There is nothing wrong with the notion of an inalienable birth right enforced by society, this is how we move out of the bloody dark ages into civilisation. The move from rights to privileges is a retrograde step that people will only recognise on the 'if you tolerate this then your kids will be next' basis when it will be too late. Alan Bennett writes far more lucidly on this theme than I can in the last chapter of his book 'Writing Home'.

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When you ask the people of Eastern Europe who have experience of living under both communism and capitalism, the 'joy' at being liberated from communism is somewhat absent...

There is not a single country where the majority of people claim to better off now than under communism.

996.gif

If you look at the level of intrusion into our lives by the government today in Britain it is far in excess of what the Stazi ever achieved, the reality was fear of what the Stazi might know kept people in check.

If we have another decade of the rich getting richer and the poor paying for their feck ups I wouldn't be surprised if some of them chucked the towel in and go back.

This survey is a bit useless.

The only thing that people really miss from the socialist years is their youth. They were much younger back then, therefore their memories of that era are much better.

Trust me, objectively, most people's lives are better now. Although socialism in Poland was lighter and more pleasant than anywhere else.

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I really do think that's a bit arrogant. I know many in the former Eastern Bloc who would genuinely welcome a return to the good old days - and it has more to do with practical issues such as housing, community, heating and food. I find it hard to understand, having been fed on a diet of communism = evil for much of my life, but that's the reality. And it's not just the elderly.

Places like Bulgaria had far softer communism than Poland. And what do you mean by 'bettter'

http://www.dadan.net/portfolio/nwo.php

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I really do think that's a bit arrogant. I know many in the former Eastern Bloc who would genuinely welcome a return to the good old days - and it has more to do with practical issues such as housing, community, heating and food. I find it hard to understand, having been fed on a diet of communism = evil for much of my life, but that's the reality. And it's not just the elderly.

Places like Bulgaria had far softer communism than Poland. And what do you mean by 'bettter'

http://www.dadan.net/portfolio/nwo.php

Russians; we tried communism and it doesn't work. We tried capitalism and its even worse.

The ongoing several hundred year-long call for a third way goes on...

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This survey is a bit useless.

The only thing that people really miss from the socialist years is their youth. They were much younger back then, therefore their memories of that era are much better.

Trust me, objectively, most people's lives are better now. Although socialism in Poland was lighter and more pleasant than anywhere else.

I'm not sure if you read the PDF or not but dismissing it as a 'survey' is a little harsh.

Massive 20 year study covering 14 countries and many thousands of people is more accurate, do you really think your own personal opinion beats the opinion of 72% of the population of Hungary when asked about the comparative quality of life in Hungary?

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I really do think that's a bit arrogant. I know many in the former Eastern Bloc who would genuinely welcome a return to the good old days - and it has more to do with practical issues such as housing, community, heating and food. I find it hard to understand, having been fed on a diet of communism = evil for much of my life, but that's the reality. And it's not just the elderly.

Let's put it this way (from my experience):

Life under socialism was worse but easier

Life under capitalism is better but harder

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I don't think the poor see it that way - and that's the majority. I get shedloads of angst whenever I head over the German border. Doesn't seem like a very happy place atall. Poland sure has a new middle class, but it's small and very elitist - I remember sitting in a posh eatery up in Pomerania with these people - very much a different planet!

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I don't think the poor see it that way - and that's the majority. I get shedloads of angst whenever I head over the German border. Doesn't seem like a very happy place atall. Poland sure has a new middle class, but it's small and very elitist - I remember sitting in a posh eatery up in Pomerania with these people - very much a different planet!

Is Britain a happy place? Is Belarus a happy place?

what is a happy place?

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I don't think the poor see it that way - and that's the majority. I get shedloads of angst whenever I head over the German border. Doesn't seem like a very happy place at all.

True, but DC's chart does show that Poles feel comparatively happier than a bunch of others.

The unhappiest country, Hungary, is of course the one where households borrowed too much money from foreign banks.

It would have been helpful to have Romania, Latvia and Estonia in the chart, since you'd probably see a clear correlation between discontent and the different fiscal policies within the expanded EU.

I guess Romania would be right up there with Hungary, for the same reason, and the Balts and Bulgaria roughly together, since their Euro currency pegs have forced them into 'internal devaluation' - all the pain of the Eurozone with none of the advantages of actual membership.

EDIT; For Pole, I guess we mean happy about the economy.

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EDIT; For Pole, I guess we mean happy about the economy.

If no one can afford a Porsche, no one is unhappy about it.

If some can afford a Porsche, others begin to be unhappy that they can't.

The bar was raised now, hence some people have more unfulfilled dreams which make them unhappy.

BTW, for all the loss of iIntelligentsia and total destruction that Poland went through in the 20th century, it is doing fantastically well.

Read the following book to learn more: Heart of Europe: The Past in Poland's Present

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Drugs is another one. This is a tough fight but looks like one that we might be winning. What I really wish for is for growers to really try hard to develop a strain that will grow pretty much anywhere. It doesn't need to produce a high yield of buds or even taste great. Even if it is weak weed, it doesn't matter.

Imagine if weed was as hardy as real weeds, nettles and the like. It would proliferate like crazy and the government could never get rid of it! Another "up yours" to the globalists, especially the UN.

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In Manali, HP it literally is a weed !

Be careful with this one, I personally witnessed 3 westerners have psychotic breakdowns - they had to be repatriated to psych-wards back in blighty !!

a better way.......

All tax avoidance, in any way, helps to bleed and weaken the Beast. Your sweat and hard earned wages are the source of power that is used against you. In short, the old adage applies. "The power to tax is the power to destroy."

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Russians; we tried communism and it doesn't work. We tried capitalism and its even worse.

The ongoing several hundred year-long call for a third way goes on...

so the NWO are trying a hybrid of communism and capitalism in all it's worst aspects.

....social "progressive and fair...let's redistribute the wealth from generators to depleters"

authoritarianism legally because when the productive workers moan about how badly the money is wasted,the authorities won't take no for an answer......but of course it's all for the common good you understand.....you small minded people.

leave the thinking to the intelligensia...we know best....balancing the books doesn't matter.

(until our creditors ask us to pay the bill or get foreclosed)

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If no one can afford a Porsche, no one is unhappy about it.

If some can afford a Porsche, others begin to be unhappy that they can't.

The bar was raised now, hence some people have more unfulfilled dreams which make them unhappy.

The bar is only raised if people think that material values are the only values, and that owning a Porsche is more important than everybody having a job, affordable housing, free education, heating and . . .a very big tenet of Soviet philosophy, culture.

The old Soviet education system achieved for Russia the highest literacy rates in the world. Russian visitors to London are shocked that the only people who go to theatres these days are tourists. The English are of course out binge-drinking or at home watching faux reality TV.

BTW, for all the loss of iIntelligentsia and total destruction that Poland went through in the 20th century, it is doing fantastically well. Read the following book to learn more: Heart of Europe: The Past in Poland's Present

Don't be so defensive, Pole. No one is singling out Poland in this thread. As i understand it. the thread was conceived as a comment on all the East European countries that had 'been had' after the fall of The Wall. Within the confines of that argument, Poland has indeed fared rather better than its neighbours. Economically.

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The bar is only raised if people think that material values are the only values, and that owning a Porsche is more important than everybody having a job, affordable housing, free education, heating and . . .a very big tenet of Soviet philosophy, culture.

Are you sure? Arts? You mean Socialist realism... as all other trends were being severely repressed. Many writers were imprisoned and killed or died of starvation under Lenin and Stalin. After a short period of the renaissance of the Ukrainian literature more than 250 Soviet Ukrainian writers died during the Great Purge (e.g. Valeran Pidmohyl'nyi (1901-1937)) (so called The Executed Renaissance). Texts of imprisoned authors were confiscated by the NKVD and some of them were published later. Only the books that the commies liked were allowed, the rest was removed from libraries and destroyed.

It was all about what the governement wanted you to watch, listen and follow. Even Vladimir Vysotsky, widely popular, was denied official recognition because of his lyrics.

I can't believe I need explain to anyone AD2010 that socialism is a pile of shit and it always starts with bloody violence (Lenin's preferred method) and ends up in tears.

There used to be a very popular joke in Poland that the difference between democracy and socialist democracy is the same as the one between a chair vs. an electric chair.

BTW, how many years have you lived in a socialist paradise?

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