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Osteopath Or Chiropractor?

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I wonder if anyone here has any experience of a chiropractor?

I saw an osteopath last year for my asthma and he did some spinal adjustments over several weeks which definitely helped my breathing. I went to the osteo as I felt that my muscles in my back had tightened over the years.

In the past 2 months, as part of my yoga exercises, I have had 2 or 3 movements in my spine, one quite large, which shocked me in how much better I felt after they happened. It was as if two vertaebrae were realigning correctly.

Breathing and chest openness improved substantially also. Also, a slight numbness in my left arm, which I have had for years, has now disappeared.

These movements were not planned but simply happened due to my stretching.

Anyhow, I am thinking of going back to the osteo that I saw for him to take a look over. I notice that one of my vertaebrae, which has been sore for several years, is still sore but less sore if that makes sense. I am wondering if more manipulation by a professional will actually solve this as, as I say, the unexpected movements have done wonders for me.

So I am just wondering if it is my osteo that I need to go back to or whether I should seek out a chiropractor as I believe chirpractors concentrate on the spine where as osteopaths are mainly muscle people who do spinal manipulation 'almost as a sideline'?

I felt my osteo helped but did not fully solve the problem and I do wonder if I had seen a chirpractor at the time whether things would have improved more.

Thanks for any positive advice.

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I wonder if anyone here has any experience of a chiropractor?

I saw an osteopath last year for my asthma and he did some spinal adjustments over several weeks which definitely helped my breathing. I went to the osteo as I felt that my muscles in my back had tightened over the years.

In the past 2 months, as part of my yoga exercises, I have had 2 or 3 movements in my spine, one quite large, which shocked me in how much better I felt after they happened. It was as if two vertaebrae were realigning correctly.

Breathing and chest openness improved substantially also. Also, a slight numbness in my left arm, which I have had for years, has now disappeared.

These movements were not planned but simply happened due to my stretching.

Anyhow, I am thinking of going back to the osteo that I saw for him to take a look over. I notice that one of my vertaebrae, which has been sore for several years, is still sore but less sore if that makes sense. I am wondering if more manipulation by a professional will actually solve this as, as I say, the unexpected movements have done wonders for me.

So I am just wondering if it is my osteo that I need to go back to or whether I should seek out a chiropractor as I believe chirpractors concentrate on the spine where as osteopaths are mainly muscle people who do spinal manipulation 'almost as a sideline'?

I felt my osteo helped but did not fully solve the problem and I do wonder if I had seen a chirpractor at the time whether things would have improved more.

Thanks for any positive advice.

I saw an osteo on your advice for my shoulder. It did the trick for a little while but the problem is now chronic and in both shoulders.

I think a sports physio would have been my best bet in hindsight.

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I saw an osteo on your advice for my shoulder. It did the trick for a little while but the problem is now chronic and in both shoulders.

I think a sports physio would have been my best bet in hindsight.

Sorry to hear that - I thought you had got great results. Have you tried a sports physio yet?

Have you considered going back to the osteo - perhaps you need whatever was done done again?

It is so hard trying to work out which is the best option to pursue, especially as so many of these 'experts' seem to cross over and, frankly, when most of us have problems we are not sure if the problem is muscular or skeletal.

The osteo certainly helped me and the manipulations he did were similar if not identical to ones done by a chiropractor... but, as I posted, I do wonder if the chirpractor would get a mor positive result.

I hope you find a good sports physio to help you get sorted.

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I had severe back pain around a couple of vertabrae, went to see a chiropractor who examined the area and then quite violently re-aligned the vertabrae with a loud crack. Instant relief. Followed up with some pain relief gel and untrasound. No problem since.

What did the chiro do - did he lie you face down on a bench and then push hard 'into' your back on your vertabrae?

What made you choose a chiro over an osteo? I mean, what made you think the problem was bone related as opposed to being muscular?

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Choosing a Sports Injury specialist

Choosing between an Osteopath, Chiropractor and a Physiotherapist is sometimes difficult because all three professions have an excellent track-record of success in treating sports injuries and many very happy patients. Choosing one form of treatment over another will depend on which approach sounds most appealing in light of your injury, lifestyle and personality.

http://www.sportsinjury-help.co.uk/choosing_a_sports_injury_specialist/

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The bones felt out of place and the pain was not muscular, very sharp concentrated in one area. The chiro was recommended and the treatment was more like being sat up and then having your back slammed down on the bench ... the chrio's hand may have been in my back to help put them back in place, but cant really remember ...

Ahh, thanks - sounds like some of the treatments my osteo gave me and some of the chiro videos I have watched on youtube.

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I have had long term issues with my back.

Chiropractor: Sometimes achieved temporary relief. Although often had zero impact. And, whilst I have strong feeling you don't want to hear this, there is overwhelming evidence that many of the chiropractor's key techniques have at best no impact and at worst are dangerous.

Physio: Systematically worked to identify the true cause of the issue. Appeared to find it and developed a series of exercises that, long term, have reduced the issue to become an infrequent, small issue.

Osteo: Somewhere between the two, not as good as physio not as 'bad' as a chiropractor (got longer term results, but it all came back relatively quickly).

Acupuncture: Whilst I didn't use acupuncture myself (I didn't consider it at the time) one of my Dogs has arthritis. She had tried:

- an animal chiropractor - no help at all

- a physio (using hydrotherapy) - helped a lot increased muscle tone, mobility and so on,

- acupuncture - was an instant and long term benefit, genuinely amazing results.

The interesting thing is that my Dog, despite how smart I think she is, is probably incapable of being impacted by placebo.

Hope that helps??

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What did the chiro do - did he lie you face down on a bench and then push hard 'into' your back on your vertabrae?

What made you choose a chiro over an osteo? I mean, what made you think the problem was bone related as opposed to being muscular?

I have seen a couple and had a free consultation at my gym. They all think it's different and to be honest, I get the impression they are saying whatever they need to get you to part with 10 sessions at £35. It comes and goes, but I work round it.

I hope you get sorted, and I would have thought recommendation was your best bet.

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I have had long term issues with my back.

Chiropractor: Sometimes achieved temporary relief. Although often had zero impact. And, whilst I have strong feeling you don't want to hear this, there is overwhelming evidence that many of the chiropractor's key techniques have at best no impact and at worst are dangerous.

Thanks.... actually, would like to hear them.

The osteo I saw, well, I did have a noticeable improvement in my mobility of my back and chest and improved my quality of life as a result.

The chiro vidoes I have watched appear to show more direct manipulation to the thoraic part of the back where I feel I have the problem.... but which, admittedly, the osteo I saw identified and did 'movements' on... but it seemed that the osteo did more 'grander' manipulation which appears, from the videos I have seen on youtube, a chiro would do more directly and with the patient in a more relaxed position.

Having said that, I have watched numerous videos on youtube of chiros using 'clickable pens' and 'lasers' and it struck me as bull IMPO. I mean, some of the devices being used looked as if they would do nothing whatsoever IMPO.

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I have seen a couple and had a free consultation at my gym. They all think it's different and to be honest, I get the impression they are saying whatever they need to get you to part with 10 sessions at £35. It comes and goes, but I work round it.

I hope you get sorted, and I would have thought recommendation was your best bet.

Have to admit, the osteo I saw last year, £30 per visit which included initial consultation, told me after 4 sessions that I was fixed and would only need an annual visit, which I am now about due, going forward.

In other words, he did not try to keep me coming back month after month forever.

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Masked Tulip, there was a thread not long ago on here about chiropracters. Basically, they are a sham trade, a bit like homeopathy or using crystals to heal. They have a very good veil of professionalism though.

Are you based near London? Because I had a back injury that tons of doctors thought was just a muscle strain, gave me pain every day for years. Finally I went to a physio and went to a specialist back and neck physiotherapist. It had amazingly expensive kit from a Swedish outfit and they cured my back over 8 weeks. I was referred to them by my osteopath specialist.

Here is their site:

http://www.back2normal.co.uk/

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Masked Tulip, there was a thread not long ago on here about chiropracters. Basically, they are a sham trade, a bit like homeopathy or using crystals to heal. They have a very good veil of professionalism though.

Are you based near London? Because I had a back injury that tons of doctors thought was just a muscle strain, gave me pain every day for years. Finally I went to a physio and went to a specialist back and neck physiotherapist. It had amazingly expensive kit from a Swedish outfit and they cured my back over 8 weeks. I was referred to them by my osteopath specialist.

Here is their site:

http://www.back2normal.co.uk/

Thanks for the info... I am 200 miles away.

Interestingly, my GP surgery has been advertising a physio practice that is apparently NHS and patients can book direct with them so I might give them a look.

Actually, I am beginning to wonder why I am worrying about paying someone to do something to my back when it has improved dramatically in the past 6 weeks merely by myself doing my own stretching. I could pay someone and they might put it back to how it was before :unsure:

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Masked Tulip, there was a thread not long ago on here about chiropracters. Basically, they are a sham trade,

Total and utter bollix. I have no doubt that there are bad Chiros around, in the same way as there are bad plumbers. However, a good one can be an amazing help.

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Total and utter bollix. I have no doubt that there are bad Chiros around, in the same way as there are bad plumbers. However, a good one can be an amazing help.

Personally I believe the concept of chiros to be ****** at its core.

These guys masquerade as professionals, just like homeopaths.

Osteopaths and physios will fix you. Chiros will make sure you keep coming back, again and again. Total pseudo-science.

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Personally I believe the concept of chiros to be ****** at its core.

These guys masquerade as professionals, just like homeopaths.

Osteopaths and physios will fix you. Chiros will make sure you keep coming back, again and again. Total pseudo-science.

Not true.My Dad was barely able to move due to back pain. Totally bed ridden. I used to have to put his socks on for him as he couldn't bend down.

After a couple of manipulations from a chiro he was playing golf again in a week.

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Osteopath Or Chiropractor? Might as well ask me Crystal Healing or Feng Shui? Neither of those have any basis in science either.

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The Quork has uttered

Happier now?

You've clearly got a bee in your bonnet about something as you never waste the opportunity to have a dig, but it's not going to lead me to self-harm or breaking down at work and punching my boss, so I shouldn't bother any more.

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but it's not going to lead me to self-harm or breaking down at work and punching my boss, so I shouldn't bother any more.

Yeah, you should be able to get over it

What I'm finding, maybe it was always thus, is that your dismissive arrogance is beginning to grate

I know you fancy yourself as the next great rationalist, but it's not good for debate to put it mildly

Chiropracters and osteos - the Quork declares it's bo11ox

Mediums - the Quork declares it's bo11ox

Swedish women with severe mental illness - she's a slag

Religion - more of the same

Noodle's opinion on what may have made his wife mental - dismissed, because it doesn't fit in with your world view

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Osteopath Or Chiropractor? Might as well ask me Crystal Healing or Feng Shui? Neither of those have any basis in science either.

I got confused. What I meant to say was orthopaedic rather than osteopath.

btw I'm sure that chiros can fix the odd person here or there, but they make their main money on repeat visits. This implies that if they actually fix anything, it's pure luck.

A proper orthopaedic consultant will diagnose you properly. Use MRI and voltage meters if necessary. Make the diagnosis and advise the correct course of treatment. This will likely involve weeks of physio.

Chiros give people what they want. People are lazy. They want instant fixes. They don't want weeks of physio. So the chiro just gives them some light relief and waits for them to come back...again and again...

I'm seriously thinking about getting into some of these legal con job professions. We have healing, homeopathy, chiropracters, psychics. All bizarrely are perfectly legal professions! As they say...a fool and his money are easily parted....

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Wow, the off-topic forum has changed. When I was last here (must be over a year ago) it was rife with threads about religion, global warming and conspiracy theories. It's all really tame now. How disappointing.

Anyway, Chiropractic and Osteopathy. Yep, both largely quackery. Both based on assumptions about how the body works that have long been proven incorrect by science. However, as with any type of manipulation, it is better than placebo at curing lower back pain, and there is medical evidence to support this. But no more effective than a physio. Don't think you're getting anything more than someone prodding at your back.

Any chiropracter that claims to be able to do anything more than that - including, as many have in the past, to cure headaches, nausea, allergies, even cholic in babies (yeeek!), then they are in pure fantasy land. There is no credible scientific evidence to support these claims above and beyond placebo.

Also, chiropractic is not without risk. If you must go to a chiropractor, do not allow the chiropractor to manipulate your neck area. There are cases of chiropractors manipulating the neck region causing severe injury, including paralysis and death through induced stroke. Also back manipulation should only performed on adults, and absolutely NEVER on growing children.

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Wow, the off-topic forum has changed. When I was last here (must be over a year ago) it was rife with threads about religion, global warming and conspiracy theories. It's all really tame now. How disappointing.

Anyway, Chiropractic and Osteopathy. Yep, both largely quackery. Both based on assumptions about how the body works that have long been proven incorrect by science. However, as with any type of manipulation, it is better than placebo at curing lower back pain, and there is medical evidence to support this. But no more effective than a physio. Don't think you're getting anything more than someone prodding at your back.

Any chiropracter that claims to be able to do anything more than that - including, as many have in the past, to cure headaches, nausea, allergies, even cholic in babies (yeeek!), then they are in pure fantasy land. There is no credible scientific evidence to support these claims above and beyond placebo.

Also, chiropractic is not without risk. If you must go to a chiropractor, do not allow the chiropractor to manipulate your neck area. There are cases of chiropractors manipulating the neck region causing severe injury, including paralysis and death through induced stroke. Also back manipulation should only performed on adults, and absolutely NEVER on growing children.

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We spent 3 months looking at a photo of a tent and a castle on a riverbank.

I just noticed the widget at the bottom of the screen. Pretty much 11 months to the day. Must be something about the weather that brings me back here :)

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