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It was expected but to see in MSM is a bit of a surprise!

Parking cost in some areas aregone up by upto 3 times!!!

others councils will do the same, more fines definately.

but how much can you rob poor public to fill a black hole?

Motorists hit by soaring parking 'tax'

Councils have been accused of declaring "war on the motorist" after introducing a raft of new parking charges to plug holes in their budgets.

In towns and cities across the country, the cost of parking is soaring, with some local authorities doubling and in one case trebling their rates.

Elsewhere, residents are being forced to buy expensive permits for the first time and thousands of free parking spaces are being scrapped and replaced with paid-for spaces.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7946183/Motorists-hit-by-soaring-parking-tax.html

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Councils will soon find out that this is a very dangerous strategy.

In York this has been a live issue since the early '00s, when a newly elected Lib Dem council decided to burnish its green credentials by whacking the cost of city centre parking up to £4/hour, 24/7. The result was a huge reduction in regional visitors for the city: our loss was Leeds's and Harrogate's gain. Basically, the only people left were foreign tourists (most of whom arrived by train), and chavs from the outlying estates who came in by bus and taxi in order to get as drunk and abusive as they could. Thanks to the latter group, the city started being mentioned in tourist guides as somewhere for the former to avoid in the evenings. Jobs were lost and business rate receipts fell. The 'respark' scheme was also expanded into streets where there was no need for it (i.e. residential streets that did not have a problem with commuters and visitors parking up for the day), and incumbent councillors quickly found themselves being voted out by challengers who promised to get rid of it.

Local elections generally don't get a very big turnout, but try to force people to spend an extra £150 a year on a parking permit, and that will soon change.

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Same in Manchester, used to be able to park all day for £4.50 today you won't get change out of £20.

The local government said well we have trains and metro link which is correct..

Problem is the trains and metro link are not exactly what you would call cheap, £5.50 a day! And the metrolink wanted to put a congestion charge on the metrolink when the car congestion charge was introduced.

As a result fewer people went to Manchester city centre and chose the trafford centre instead. Many offices also moved out to business parts on the M60 instead too.

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Councils will soon find out that this is a very dangerous strategy.

In York this has been a live issue since the early '00s, when a newly elected Lib Dem council decided to burnish its green credentials by whacking the cost of city centre parking up to £4/hour, 24/7. The result was a huge reduction in regional visitors for the city: our loss was Leeds's and Harrogate's gain. Basically, the only people left were foreign tourists (most of whom arrived by train), and chavs from the outlying estates who came in by bus and taxi in order to get as drunk and abusive as they could. Thanks to the latter group, the city started being mentioned in tourist guides as somewhere for the former to avoid in the evenings. Jobs were lost and business rate receipts fell. The 'respark' scheme was also expanded into streets where there was no need for it (i.e. residential streets that did not have a problem with commuters and visitors parking up for the day), and incumbent councillors quickly found themselves being voted out by challengers who promised to get rid of it.

Local elections generally don't get a very big turnout, but try to force people to spend an extra £150 a year on a parking permit, and that will soon change.

shot themselves in the foot.

we can all see its going to be counterproductive but at this time they just don't care.

£££ is needed desperately, haven't seen the size of banks bail out its touching trillion or passed it & need to be recoverd from some where. If it means we have to cough up more so be it, get your wallets ready.

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Discussion on this on LBC 97.3 radio right now (www.lbc.co.uk), contrasting this with the fat cat local council chiefs, and talking about the whole picure of a bust economy. Looks good !

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Same in Manchester, used to be able to park all day for £4.50 today you won't get change out of £20.

The local government said well we have trains and metro link which is correct..

Problem is the trains and metro link are not exactly what you would call cheap, £5.50 a day! And the metrolink wanted to put a congestion charge on the metrolink when the car congestion charge was introduced.

As a result fewer people went to Manchester city centre and chose the trafford centre instead. Many offices also moved out to business parts on the M60 instead too.

Ken and Ayatollah - it sounds as though you are saying that the experiment failed in both York and Manchester but the policies continue and have not been reversed: is this the case?

If so, the Councillors should lose their jobs.

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Ken and Ayatollah - it sounds as though you are saying that the experiment failed in both York and Manchester but the policies continue and have not been reversed: is this the case?

In the case of York, modified slightly (the evening parking charges were reduced significantly following a campaign by local businesses and significant Lib Dem losses in the subsequent council election), but they're still significantly higher than in the surrounding, comparable towns and cities.

If so, the Councillors should lose their jobs.

In York some of them did, hence the prediction in my post above.

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Ken and Ayatollah - it sounds as though you are saying that the experiment failed in both York and Manchester but the policies continue and have not been reversed: is this the case?

If so, the Councillors should lose their jobs.

I thought this was what govt's did.

Pilot a scheme, then after failure, roll it out countrywide

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I'm currently in correspondence with my local MP, Mark Francois, on this issue.

Thanks to HPC posters on a previous thread, I was able to include the following background.

Council parking levies is a flawed and grossly unfair process which contravenes any normal concept of social justice. The way the system is milked by councils is a national scandal.

The flaw begins in law, of course. The decriminalisation of parking offences (Road Traffic Act 1991) means that it is now a civil matter where you incur a private debt to a council. (In my case, 00.6p). The penalty, however, (£40), bears no relation to either the normal rules of interest and debt repayment nor to the proportionality of criminal law. Councils can merely 'think up a number'.

Overstaying your parking is nevertheless still viewed and treated as a crime, which it isn't. You (innocently) commit an offence in a system where you are taken to court with no justice and no redress. The so-called 'court' in Northampton (Traffic Enforcement Centre) is a virtual court which allows you no legal representation. And the system is policed by the council's own private and biased police - its army of revenue hungry bailiffs and wardens. As you know, along with the decriminalisation of parking offences, councils were given the right to employ their own private armies and to keep the revenue.

Depending upon the morality of the council, this has led to the current situation where councils such as Rochford mightily abuse the 'no justice' system. It's not the only council so to do of course. A 2008 survey by the insurer Direct Line shows that the cost of parking under council operation rose tenfold between 2000 and 2007. As you know already, council taxes also increased 66% during the Labour regime. Is it any wonder that high streets are dead, or that councils are so grossly inefficient when they can simply employ their own private police and tame court to collect whatever revenue they want.

I believe the process to be entirely outside the law. The legal term for this activity is 'Unjust Enrichment'.

Unjust Enrichment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unjust_enrichment

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A couple of weeks ago we went to Weston super Mare to have a look at the new sea front development - parked on the prom at the Uphill end and found that the minimum parking charge was £4, even for a few minutes. The sea front works are not finished, and it was impossible to walk on the prom anyway. What was surprising is that most of the parking spaces were occupied - people must be mad to pay this sort of money to park in a dump like WSM.( I suspect most of them were chavs who just wanted to get at the amusement arcades.)

We didn't pay and went for a walk on the sea front at Burnham instead.

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In the case of York, modified slightly (the evening parking charges were reduced significantly following a campaign by local businesses and significant Lib Dem losses in the subsequent council election), but they're still significantly higher than in the surrounding, comparable towns and cities.

In York some of them did, hence the prediction in my post above.

In fairness, York does have one of the best Park and ride schemes I've seen.

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Same in Manchester, used to be able to park all day for £4.50 today you won't get change out of £20.

The local government said well we have trains and metro link which is correct..

Problem is the trains and metro link are not exactly what you would call cheap, £5.50 a day! And the metrolink wanted to put a congestion charge on the metrolink when the car congestion charge was introduced.

As a result fewer people went to Manchester city centre and chose the trafford centre instead. Many offices also moved out to business parts on the M60 instead too.

Indeed. All part of the disincentive to work. Whether by train, bus or car, actually getting to the place of work is like another tax.

Nottingham even wanted to put a tax on office parking spaces at one point!

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The most unfair part of this is if you work in a town where your employer does not have or does not provide parking....getting to and the cost of daily parking, or sometimes having to move the car the one hour in the day you cannot park without a resident permit makes the whole thing intolerable...the fines and forfeits are more for the decent working person that a criminal would pay for unsocial behaviour......easy pickings taken from the compliant innocent. :(

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...the fines and forfeits are more for the decent working person that a criminal would pay for unsocial behaviour......easy pickings taken from the compliant innocent. :(

Yes this is the nub. Parking is NOT a criminal offence and fines do not equate to any norms of the proportionality of law. The whole system operates OUTSIDE THE LAW and should be subject to a judicial review. Or as I mentioned before, a test case brought against councils for Unjust Enrichment.

Parking is extortion, pure and simple. And every year, more is extorted. It's now a stealth tax worth over 2 billion.

From an article in a January Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/6874329/Motorists-hit-by-higher-parking-fees-and-fines.html

Councils Doubling The Money They Squeeze From Motorists

Official financial returns from more than 400 local authorities for 2008/2009 show that the drivers are paying increasing amounts of money for parking their vehicles.

Some councils increased their parking revenues by much more than the national average.

North Wiltshire’s parking revenue more than doubled, from £752,000 to £1.6 million. In North Tyneside, the increase was 94 per cent. The biggest parking revenues were in Westminster, which took in £180 million last year, a 19 per cent rise.

Some councils have increased their income simply by raising parking fees. In Wolverhampton, the cost of staying for two hours in one of its car parks, at Fold Street, jumped from £1.20 to £1.50 between 2006 and 2009 while the cost of three hours at the Civic Centre, rose from £2.30 to £2.50.

The council's total take from parking fines and charges over the same period climbed from £3 million to £4.6 million over the three years, a jump of 53 per cent.

Jennifer Dunn, Policy Analyst at the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said the figures showed councils are using drivers as “cash cow”.

She said: “Councils are generating huge amounts of revenue through parking, which has clearly become an increasingly lucrative source of income to finance rapidly growing bureaucracies in the local authorities.

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On the other hand.

Took the grandson to Mablethorpe for the day last week. Yes I know it`s a dump but it`s got sand, donkeys and a nice free paddling pool, and he is only 3 years old.

Anyway I was pleased to see that the parking charge was £2 all day.

That`s East Lindsay District Council.

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