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The Castle is a novel by Franz Kafka. In it a protagonist, known only as K., struggles to gain access to the mysterious authorities of a castle who govern the village where he wants to work as a land surveyor. Kafka died before finishing the work, but suggested it would end with the Land Surveyor dying in the village; the castle notifying him on his death bed that his "legal claim to live in the village was not valid, yet, taking certain auxiliary circumstances into account, he was permitted to live and work there".

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The Castle is a novel by Franz Kafka. In it a protagonist, known only as K., struggles to gain access to the mysterious authorities of a castle who govern the village where he wants to work as a land surveyor. Kafka died before finishing the work, but suggested it would end with the Land Surveyor dying in the village; the castle notifying him on his death bed that his "legal claim to live in the village was not valid, yet, taking certain auxiliary circumstances into account, he was permitted to live and work there".

Well did you get in or not ?

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Got a job in NZ 2005, didn't take it up as I got a consultant job over here, regrets ever since etc. Didn't find the whole process too trying, whats the main issue? Is it the transport of livestock again? Just release them into the wild and let them run free as nature intended.

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Well did you get in or not ?

Having sent notarised copies of everything including a letter from my old school suggesting I was taught in English, to go along with my very English looking A level certificates, degree, post-grad certificate and a whole bunch of other stuff to the Australian Medical Council, I then waited for external verification of my degree through an American organisation called EICS. Then once this was sent to me, I had to send it back to Australia, go over for a recce and interview, which included a very jet lagged week of training courses starting the day after landing.

Now I'm back home with a form as long as the digits of the national debt, having to send notarised copies of everything again, this time to the Australian Medical Board. Unfortunately having sent an original copy of a letter from payroll at the first hospital I worked at confirming I worked there in 1996, I've had to hold on, waiting for another copy, which has taken a few weeks.

Now I have to wait for the Australian Medical Board, this time, to process it and then send my sponsors a letter, which they can then send to the Aussie Embassy. Then I can get a visa application number, and take that to get a medical done and the police check, and finally another letter of good standing from the UK General Medical Council to make sure I haven't done anything naughty in the meantime.

Then once that's processed, I can go.

With a 3 month probationary period based in group general practice and a regional hospital, and dependent on passing the acute trauma life support course, which I did yesterday, along with the acute paediatric life support course and, just for good measure, the management of obstetric emergencies course (I'm the only UK GP to have ever done and passed this apparently) so I can try to keep really mashed up or ill people going for 2-3 hours until the Flying Doctors Service takes them away to a decent sized hospital.

Still, it's shifted a few pounds off me.

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so I can try to keep really mashed up or ill people going for 2-3 hours until the Flying Doctors Service takes them away to a decent sized hospital.

....are you going for an outback posting....?.... :rolleyes:

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....are you going for an outback posting....?.... :rolleyes:

It's a locum job all over South Australia, covering GPs on holiday, having breakdowns, going off for a detox etc..

3 weeks on, 1 week off rota. 4 weeks paid leave, 2 weeks paid study leave, accommodation and car provided.

So all in all, I'll double my income, have very little outgoings, do some more interesting/terrifying medicine, and we can save for a home at some point.

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It's a locum job all over South Australia, covering GPs on holiday, having breakdowns, going off for a detox etc..

3 weeks on, 1 week off rota. 4 weeks paid leave, 2 weeks paid study leave, accommodation and car provided.

So all in all, I'll double my income, have very little outgoings, do some more interesting/terrifying medicine, and we can save for a home at some point.

...good thinking ...great experience....best of luck.... :rolleyes:

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...good thinking ...great experience....best of luck.... :rolleyes:

It probably will be good experience for later returning to a post-apocalyptic Britain!

You might need someone who can do a bit of everything by then.

I'm pretty sure the demography is going to require a shift from the super-specialisation in training we have now.

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you cant really blame them for being cautious ...

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/20/2958450.htm?section=justin

Some former patients have backed a Queensland Government decision to seek more jail time for former Bundaberg-based surgeon Jayant Patel.

Patel, 60, was jailed for seven years after being convicted of the manslaughter of 75-year-old Mervyn Morris, 77-year-old Gerardus Kemps and 46-year-old James Phillips at Bundaberg Hospital in southern Queensland.

He was also found guilty of causing grievous bodily harm to 63-year-old Ian Vowles during his time working as a surgeon at the hospital between 2003 and 2005.

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Having sent notarised copies of everything including a letter from my old school suggesting I was taught in English, to go along with my very English looking A level certificates, degree, post-grad certificate and a whole bunch of other stuff to the Australian Medical Council, I then waited for external verification of my degree through an American organisation called EICS. Then once this was sent to me, I had to send it back to Australia, go over for a recce and interview, which included a very jet lagged week of training courses starting the day after landing.

Now I'm back home with a form as long as the digits of the national debt, having to send notarised copies of everything again, this time to the Australian Medical Board. Unfortunately having sent an original copy of a letter from payroll at the first hospital I worked at confirming I worked there in 1996, I've had to hold on, waiting for another copy, which has taken a few weeks.

Now I have to wait for the Australian Medical Board, this time, to process it and then send my sponsors a letter, which they can then send to the Aussie Embassy. Then I can get a visa application number, and take that to get a medical done and the police check, and finally another letter of good standing from the UK General Medical Council to make sure I haven't done anything naughty in the meantime.

Then once that's processed, I can go.

With a 3 month probationary period based in group general practice and a regional hospital, and dependent on passing the acute trauma life support course, which I did yesterday, along with the acute paediatric life support course and, just for good measure, the management of obstetric emergencies course (I'm the only UK GP to have ever done and passed this apparently) so I can try to keep really mashed up or ill people going for 2-3 hours until the Flying Doctors Service takes them away to a decent sized hospital.

Still, it's shifted a few pounds off me.

It's all so you can hear, 'how yer going mate?' every day of your life - in fact about 40 times a day.

The Aussies have a laid back lifestyle, but they are so hung up on qualifications, some of which are meaningless. They also do not compete with Europe or anywhere really, being largely a resource mining driven economy. If they tried to compete in any other industry and export manufactured goods, their unionised life would have them fail any competitiveness test.

Plenty of room, shame about the conversation.

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you cant really blame them for being cautious ...

r593642_3816390.jpg

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/20/2958450.htm?section=justin

Some former patients have backed a Queensland Government decision to seek more jail time for former Bundaberg-based surgeon Jayant Patel.

Patel, 60, was jailed for seven years after being convicted of the manslaughter of 75-year-old Mervyn Morris, 77-year-old Gerardus Kemps and 46-year-old James Phillips at Bundaberg Hospital in southern Queensland.

He was also found guilty of causing grievous bodily harm to 63-year-old Ian Vowles during his time working as a surgeon at the hospital between 2003 and 2005.

Yeah, as I was sitting in the College of GPs foyer in Adelaide waiting for my awful clinical interview, all the papers of the day had him headlining.

I would tentatively suggest that in cases like that you pay attention to the whistleblowing nurse's concerns rather than sacking her, and ask questions as to why the nursing staff were trying their best to move patients to other hospitals or hiding them from him.

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I got an agency to do mine in 2001. I couldn't believe how easy it was. When I arrived in Sydney they had my letter of acceptance from imigration.

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Having sent notarised copies of everything including a letter from my old school suggesting I was taught in English, to go along with my very English looking A level certificates, degree, post-grad certificate and a whole bunch of other stuff to the Australian Medical Council, I then waited for external verification of my degree through an American organisation called EICS. Then once this was sent to me, I had to send it back to Australia, go over for a recce and interview, which included a very jet lagged week of training courses starting the day after landing.

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Actually I do know the pish you're going through, being delineated with Ten-Pound Poms.

You got it worse though.

I doubt you'll come back to Blighty.

None of the males ever seem to. Females seem to settle a bit less.

Good Luck, I'm sure you'll love it.

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I got an agency to do mine in 2001. I couldn't believe how easy it was. When I arrived in Sydney they had my letter of acceptance from imigration.

I am going through an employment agency, but the rules have changed halfway through my application which means everyone is trying to get their head around the new game.

But you're right, in future I'll find someone who can just present me with a list of how many copies of what are needed and do all the form filling for me.

Still, they seem to have upped the salary without me asking, so that's all good.

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I am going through an employment agency, but the rules have changed halfway through my application which means everyone is trying to get their head around the new game.

But you're right, in future I'll find someone who can just present me with a list of how many copies of what are needed and do all the form filling for me.

BTW, I hated it there.

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BTW, I hated it there.

Were you in Sydney itself, tied to a desk?

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Were you in Sydney itself, tied to a desk?

Sydney, Brisbane, bible belt NSW and QLD. Not a place I want to live. I love England regardless.

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Sydney, Brisbane, bible belt NSW and QLD. Not a place I want to live. I love England regardless.

I expect we'll be back once the parents get a bit doddery.

In the meantime I'm just going to try to cover that difficult blend of sattwa, tamas and rajas.

And given no apparent change in the monetary system yet, this option looks like the best fit for everything.

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I expect we'll be back once the parents get a bit doddery.

In the meantime I'm just going to try to cover that difficult blend of sattwa, tamas and rajas.

And given no apparent change in the monetary system yet, this option looks like the best fit for everything.

You do realise that Platypus hunting is frowned upon?

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Having sent notarised copies of everything including a letter from my old school suggesting I was taught in English, to go along with my very English looking A level certificates, degree, post-grad certificate and a whole bunch of other stuff to the Australian Medical Council, I then waited for external verification of my degree through an American organisation called EICS. Then once this was sent to me, I had to send it back to Australia, go over for a recce and interview, which included a very jet lagged week of training courses starting the day after landing.

Now I'm back home with a form as long as the digits of the national debt, having to send notarised copies of everything again, this time to the Australian Medical Board. Unfortunately having sent an original copy of a letter from payroll at the first hospital I worked at confirming I worked there in 1996, I've had to hold on, waiting for another copy, which has taken a few weeks.

Now I have to wait for the Australian Medical Board, this time, to process it and then send my sponsors a letter, which they can then send to the Aussie Embassy. Then I can get a visa application number, and take that to get a medical done and the police check, and finally another letter of good standing from the UK General Medical Council to make sure I haven't done anything naughty in the meantime.

Then once that's processed, I can go.

With a 3 month probationary period based in group general practice and a regional hospital, and dependent on passing the acute trauma life support course, which I did yesterday, along with the acute paediatric life support course and, just for good measure, the management of obstetric emergencies course (I'm the only UK GP to have ever done and passed this apparently) so I can try to keep really mashed up or ill people going for 2-3 hours until the Flying Doctors Service takes them away to a decent sized hospital.

Still, it's shifted a few pounds off me.

I'd wondered why I hadn't heard you complain about this before, though it sounds like things have improved. A couple of decades ago Australia was importing doctors, but the AMC wasn't letting any of them practice unless they passed what was, by all accounts, a nigh on impossible exam.

A friend's Polish wife came over here on a visa because Australia wanted surveyors (at the time). All well and good as far as immigration was concerned, but when she got here she discovered that she couldn't get a license to practice from the governing body/union unless she did an entirely new surveying degree at an Australian university, even though she had an 8 year qualification from Poland which was to a much higher standard.

If it is any consolation, even chippies have about as much trouble emigrating. to Oz, perhaps more. The process seems to take a couple of years for them, which is usually enough time for Oz to decide it doesn't want any more carpenters so the apps go in the bin, along with the better part of £9k for each applicant. Or they get out here, along with wife and 4 screaming kids, buy a new house with the proceeds of their recent UK sale, lose their job and then get deported having to shift furniture, family, and dog back again. Of course they are now £40k worse off than when they started the process.

And it isn't just foreigners. For example, if you are a school teacher trained in South Australia, you cannot teach in Queensland without another year of postgraduate education. That's federalism for you. The federal system also means that if you want to molest a sheep (or in your case, a platypus) you'd better make sure you do it in the right state, as the tariff ranges from 7 to 21 years depending on which side of the border you do it on.

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Aussie beaurocracy, it really is a bit of an unexpected wonder and they can be stupefyingly ******** about some things. Been through it myself and afterwards vowed never to take the piss out of the British methods ever again.

Got your tax file number yet?

If not brace yourself for a ball-ache.

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