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Local Councils' Cynical Parking Fines And Bailiff Thugs

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Some weeks ago, I was help up in the queue at the bank and overstayed my parking ticket by 10 minutes.

(So, at a rate of 60p an hour, a cost to Rochford District Council of 00.6p.)

Today, I have the council's hired thugs (bailiffs) at the door for an unpayable amount. £300.

They would have impounded and probably crushed my car by now, but I wasn't at home when the council thugs called and I don't have a car at this time.

As we all know, council taxes barely cover the pensions of council workers sinecures and the shortfall in income is increasingly made up from targeting local shoppers - especially motorists.

Naively, I thought I might go to court to contest the £40 penalty (cost to Rochford District Council 00.6p) . . . but in the UK, there ain't no representation in civil offences. Hmmm.

Did you know, posters, that all parking fine cases in the UK go the Northampton Court, whether you innocently overstay your parking in Swansea or Scunthorpe? Neither did I. Moreover, there is no obligation to notify you of a court case for a 'civil offence'. Moreover again, A warrant for any old amount is then issued to the council's thugs and bailffs for collection. Northampton has to be the UK's biggest kangaroo court and it's surely a national scandal.

Now let me tell you about the real cynicism behind this big parking revenue earner for 'pension strapped' councils.

All the car parks around here used to be 'pay on exit'. But of course, that system didn't milk unfortunate shoppers, caught in queues or delays. So, they are now all being 'upgraded' to the cynical system, where you can only either overpay by a considerable margin or risk criminalisation and the council's bailiff thugs . . and a court without justice.

I've written to my local Tory MP on this issue (Mark Francois) and have also contacted the local press. Effectively, councils are currently having to rob local communities - an in my case, other pensioners - to pay their own pensions.

Cameron's 'fairer society' ?? Your comments would be appreciated.

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....whether you innocently overstay your parking ...

You cannot innocently overstay your parking. If you park longer than you have paid for you are stealing someone else's parking space. More clamping and higher release fees please - get the ignorant and selfish to pay off the deficit.

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Some weeks ago, I was help up in the queue at the bank and overstayed my parking ticket by 10 minutes.

(So, at a rate of 60p an hour, a cost to Rochford District Council of 00.6p.)

Today, I have the council's hired thugs (bailiffs) at the door for an unpayable amount. £300.

They would have impounded and probably crushed my car by now, but I wasn't at home when the council thugs called and I don't have a car at this time.

As we all know, council taxes barely cover the pensions of council workers sinecures and the shortfall in income is increasingly made up from targeting local shoppers - especially motorists.

Naively, I thought I might go to court to contest the £40 penalty (cost to Rochford District Council 00.6p) . . . but in the UK, there ain't no representation in civil offences. Hmmm.

Did you know, posters, that all parking fine cases in the UK go the Northampton Court, whether you innocently overstay your parking in Swansea or Scunthorpe? Neither did I. Moreover, there is no obligation to notify you of a court case for a 'civil offence'. Moreover again, A warrant for any old amount is then issued to the council's thugs and bailffs for collection. Northampton has to be the UK's biggest kangaroo court and it's surely a national scandal.

Now let me tell you about the real cynicism behind this big parking revenue earner for 'pension strapped' councils.

All the car parks around here used to be 'pay on exit'. But of course, that system didn't milk unfortunate shoppers, caught in queues or delays. So, they are now all being 'upgraded' to the cynical system, where you can only either overpay by a considerable margin or risk criminalisation and the council's bailiff thugs . . and a court without justice.

I've written to my local Tory MP on this issue (Mark Francois) and have also contacted the local press. Effectively, councils are currently having to rob local communities - an in my case, other pensioners - to pay their own pensions.

Cameron's 'fairer society' ?? Your comments would be appreciated.

(Thanks to mods for the short time this stays on the main board.)

Probably a carryover from Brown's dream of a 1984-type of society. Thank heavens that brand of national socialism has gone--I just hope the Koalishon follow through with dismantling the nanny state and its health and safety mania along with fascist PC ideas etc.

The clampers and rip-off local council scammers need a short sharp shock in a detention centre.

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You cannot innocently overstay your parking. If you park longer than you have paid for you are stealing someone else's parking space. More clamping and higher release fees please - get the ignorant and selfish to pay off the deficit.

If that person has a case, they can present it and prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

And show the harm caused.

No?

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I agree. Paying on exit made simple, practical sense. The newer systems seem deliberately designed to catch people out and inflict penalty, rather than merely charge for a space

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Inventing a problem and then attacking somebodty else for it is so much easier than actually doing any work that it's no surprise that this sort of thing is mushrooming.

it'll carry on until the lot collapses.

What can possibly stop it?

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You cannot innocently overstay your parking. If you park longer than you have paid for you are stealing someone else's parking space. More clamping and higher release fees please - get the ignorant and selfish to pay off the deficit.

The guy is a pensioner , who got held up in a queue at the bank. He stole nothing if the old system had been in place he would have paid on exit the full amount owed.

The only ignorant person to post on this thread is you !!

You are also selfish very selfish if you want pensioners like him to pay for the deficit.

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The guy is a pensioner , who got held up in a queue at the bank. He stole nothing if the old system had been in place he would have paid on exit the full amount owed.

The only ignorant person to post on this thread is you !!

You are also selfish very selfish if you want pensioners like him to pay for the deficit.

I bet he was one of those pensioners who could have gone to the bank anytime all day. But instead went in the lunch hour when working people have to go and it was super busy.

We've all seen it in supermarkets, got all day to shop but go when its busiest.

Probably just deserts. :blink:

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Inventing a problem and then attacking somebodty else for it is so much easier than actually doing any work that it's no surprise that this sort of thing is mushrooming.

it'll carry on until the lot collapses.

What can possibly stop it?

Non co-operation

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Non co-operation

Last week my son arrived to his eon van to find it being clamped by 3 thuggish bastards. One was fixing a sign on the lamppost besides it. Police arrived and saw it all. Police said it was unacceptable but did nothing. First demand was £150, next was nearly 300. They still took the van away, even an EON van. Many locals were shouting at said bastards. Even service vehicles are not safe, from these scam artists.

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I bet he was one of those pensioners who could have gone to the bank anytime all day. But instead went in the lunch hour when working people have to go and it was super busy.

We've all seen it in supermarkets, got all day to shop but go when its busiest.

Probably just deserts. :blink:

Yes I have seen it in supermarkets loads of people in there when it is busy stupid people , don't just blame pensioners blame anyone who goes in a shop when the shop is busy.

You know what each time you post it gets dafter and dafter, how about changing your name to dummer and dummer .

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Last week my son arrived to his eon van to find it being clamped by 3 thuggish bastards. One was fixing a sign on the lamppost besides it. Police arrived and saw it all. Police said it was unacceptable but did nothing. First demand was £150, next was nearly 300. They still took the van away, even an EON van. Many locals were shouting at said bastards. Even service vehicles are not safe, from these scam artists.

Would bolt cutters do the job?

As they put the clamp on, take a pair of bolt cutters (or whatever) out of the back of your van and stand quitely waiting for them to finish.

That sort of non-cooperation :)

We all need to do this 'sort of thing imo

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(Thanks to mods for the short time this stays on the main board.)

I really sympathise Copydude. These people truly are the scum of the earth; I got "done" once, during a party at a kids soft play venue, on a deserted industrial estate in Farnborough. The yellow lines aren't properly maintained - but just enough to be legal even though they look to be out of use, and the b@stard "Enforcement Officers" circulate every single Saturday with the sole purpose of catching out unfortunate and usually harassed parents, just trying to give their kids a little morning out.

Utter c**ts, and I told him that - at which point I was threatened with the police...

However, this was three years ago, and IMHO it's not new. It's something that's got worse over a period of time. Is it thirteen years exactly? I don't know - but it's certainly worse than when Labour first came in during 1997, and I think it's just been part of a pattern of "we don't make f**k all anymore, so we'd better fine anything we can to raise revenue...."

So, part of Cameron's "fairer society?" not yet. But one of the first things Boris Johnson did, when he came in as Mayor of London, was to get rid of the obscenity that was the £50 fine, if you hadn't paid the Congestion Charge by midnight on the day of travel. It's now a £2 extra fee for paying the next day - which to me is fair, and not the usual deliberately punitive and over the top sh!t we've grown used to under Liebour.

Your comments about Northampton are horrific, I agree. I went to court once to contest a speeding camera fine, on the basis that they kept delivering someone else's mail to our house (which had the same road name, but was 35 miles away,) so could easily have been doing the same in reverse. Defended myself and won - it was utterly orgasmic seeing the b!tch prosecuting counsel's face, when the magistrates judged me not guilty. I could live off that moment for years, as my little bit of civil disobedience...

Let's hope we see a LOT less of this sh!t, if Cameron can follow Boris' lead in some small way across the country. I reckon that sort of thing would yield much more popular support than any millions spent on kids playgrounds, or OAP's winter fag payments...

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Funny that parking should come up.

Once again I am getting wound up at the privatisation of 'our' coastline unless you can pay the parking fee to visit it of course.

There aren't many beaches you can get to without transport. Not so worried about Farmers who open up a field, but councils and the National Trust :angry:

While it annoys me, I can avoid parking fees; I can trek across a few fields and after a bit of Heath Robinson abseiling, I can find peace and quiet in a small cove.

But, what concerns me is that the fees may put off many less well off families taking their children to the beach, which is a better recreation than kicking around city centres.

Go to the beach everyday here would set you back 35 quid a week, a fair disencouragement to many I would think.

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Yes I have seen it in supermarkets loads of people in there when it is busy stupid people , don't just blame pensioners blame anyone who goes in a shop when the shop is busy.

You know what each time you post it gets dafter and dafter, how about changing your name to dummer and dummer .

You seem to be the one with caveman IQ. So pensioners, who by definition can go into the shop any time they like, all day, shouldnt be blamed for going in the shop when its busy? Is that your argument?

How about changing yours to thicko?

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You cannot innocently overstay your parking. If you park longer than you have paid for you are stealing someone else's parking space. More clamping and higher release fees please - get the ignorant and selfish to pay off the deficit.

Christ. You fit France, culturally, absolutey spot on. No wonder you live there....

Make sure you f**king stay there, won't you? I have to spend enough time in the sh!thole that is France, without having that kind of cr@p ooze its way back over (or under) La Manche.

:)

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Really sorry to hear about the council's behaviour.

I have experienced similarly frustrating run-ins myself...

A couple of years ago I was taking a train to work (fare paid £10) and had arranged that a colleague would pick me up at the station.

He called whilst I was on the train, explained he had been delayed and asked if i could continue my journey to the next stop which was closer to where his meeting had overrun. (The direct fare for this journey, had I bought the ticket in advance would have been £10.50).

I walked up and down the train looking for a guard but there were was none to be found. When i arrived at the (further) station, I immediately presented myself to 2 members of staff and explained the situation. They demanded a £20 penalty fare. I said this was unreasonable, explained that I was a regular customer and could produce tickets to prove it (kept as expense receipts) and offered to pay the single fare for the extra journey I had made (£2.60). After much arguing they said i could pay the single fare but would have to fill in a form with name and address and then write within 28 days to the "Independent Penalty Fares Appeals Service" explaining why I shouldn't pay a penalty fare.

If it weren't for the fact that clients had flown over from France that morning and there was alot of money at stake I would have told them to get stuffed and waited for them to get bored or call the police but I had to get to work.

So I paid £2.60 and wrote the letter to IPFAS. The appeal was refused. Before appealing again, I looked at the act of parliament pertaining to penalty fares and found that by law the appeals service must "Be independent and be seen to be independent of the train operating companies". Under the letter of the law, the only grounds I had for appeal was that train staff failed to follow company guidlines on the use of appropriate discretion. So I asked the train operator for a copy of said guidelines but was refused. I asked if IPFAS was aware of the guidelines (they must be since otherwise how can they determine if they had been correctly followed) and was told yes, they have access to them but I still couldn't see them.

Firstly, IPFAS is owned by one of the train operators, and secondly has access to information from the train companies that the public aren't able to see so there is no way that they could claim to be independent.

I appealed again and was again refused.

I asked for names of senior executives at both IPFAS and the train operator, and was refused. I was told I couldn't use the freedom of information act since they are private companies not governmental organisations. But here's the scary bit. If I had refused to give my name and address to the company employees (or given false details - I know for a fact that they verify name and address via a database there and then so there is no point giving a false name), it immediately becomes a criminal offence punishable by a fine of up to £500. So we have a private company who's employees can spuriously demand payment of £20 and personal data and refusal results in a criminal offence.

I should have written to the minister for transport or my mp etc. Instead, I now make an effort to drive wherever possible (it is often cheaper and definitely more tax efficient anyway).

Sorry for long rant. I hope you can sort your problem out. I just gave up in the end but it was much less money.

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Last week my son arrived to his eon van to find it being clamped by 3 thuggish bastards. One was fixing a sign on the lamppost besides it. Police arrived and saw it all. Police said it was unacceptable but did nothing. First demand was £150, next was nearly 300. They still took the van away, even an EON van. Many locals were shouting at said bastards. Even service vehicles are not safe, from these scam artists.

Yes, the keyword is 'SCAM'.

All Rochford District Council's bailiffs threatening letters to me omit an important number . . . the amount you must pay. There's a space on the form letter, but it isn't filled in. So you can't settle this debt, even if you wanted to. I called one of the Rochford Council's thugs today to do just that , , , and to clarify exactly what numbers came from Britain's mystery kangaroo court in Northampton, with the missing paperwork. 'I'll tell you how much next time I visit' , said the thug. So . . . they write themselves as many visits and charges as they like.

Total scam.

For investigative journalists, the Scam Organisation is called Equita Limited, PO Box 30 Erith DAB IZJ. Let's see what nasties that turns up . . . and particularly its links to councillors . . .

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But here's the scary bit. If I had refused to give my name and address to the company employees (or given false details - I know for a fact that they verify name and address via a database there and then so there is no point giving a false name),

I suppose the lesson is, always know a real name and address to give in these situations (Someone you dont like works best). If you can match it to someone who's about your age even better. :)

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I went to court once to contest a speeding camera fine, on the basis that they kept delivering someone else's mail to our house (which had the same road name, but was 35 miles away,) so could easily have been doing the same in reverse. Defended myself and won - it was utterly orgasmic seeing the b!tch prosecuting counsel's face, when the magistrates judged me not guilty. I could live off that moment for years, as my little bit of civil disobedience...

B

Genius :D , although, even on an internet forum you might want to make it quite clear that you did not commit perjury and that the ticket really never did arrive through the post!

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You seem to be the one with caveman IQ. So pensioners, who by definition can go into the shop any time they like, all day, shouldnt be blamed for going in the shop when its busy? Is that your argument?

How about changing yours to thicko?

I really ain't got an argument on it , was just mocking your dumb post , only problem with changing my name to your suggestion is i would spell it different to how you have my spelling would be JOHNNY STORM.

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Christ. You fit France, culturally, absolutey spot on. No wonder you live there....

Make sure you f**king stay there, won't you? I have to spend enough time in the sh!thole that is France, without having that kind of cr@p ooze its way back over (or under) La Manche.

:)

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I suppose the lesson is, always know a real name and address to give in these situations (Someone you dont like works best). If you can match it to someone who's about your age even better. :)

And carry fake ID?

And if they get suspicious and call the police (who seem to have plenty of time for petty BS like this and less of an appetite for hard work) risk the criminal record?

I can't be bothered.

No shortage of CCTV in statiosn either.

I only take the train when it really, really suits me now.

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Funny that parking should come up.

Go to the beach everyday here would set you back 35 quid a week, a fair disencouragement to many I would think.

You know, I can write this story different ways around, but that was entirely the main point to my local MP. (He couldn't care less about whether I've been stuffed for a fine.)

It's exactly these kind of council parking policies . . . and the potential consequences . . . that have killed the local high street. The fact that a once useful row of shops is now just black holes is not due to the recession. Everyone I know avoids the high street because of high parking charges or the high risk of penalties.

Well done, Local Council!

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