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Didn't you say on another thread that you were an English teacher? :unsure:

2nd time I've seen that in one of your posts.

Now I expect I'll get replies saying bloody pedant, who the feck cares, nobody gives a toss nowadays.

Weird as it may seem to the couldn't-give-a-feck-ers, quite a lot of employers still do.

Saw an article the other day quoting several large companies (inc. Waitrose) who are struggling to fill graduate posts because so many (Brit) applicants' English is not up to scratch.

By the companies' reasoning, if they can't even be bothered to get it right on their CVs, it doesn't say a lot for their attitude.

Oh Mrs Bear are you winding me up? I'm holiday at the moment. LOL

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People in Poland are probably not as 'poor' as you think. Somebody who earns enough to comfortably cover their living expenses is in a different category to somebody who is constantly living right at the edge. UK savings rates are among the lowest in the world and our personal debts relative to incomes are astronomical. I'm not saying Poland has no economic problems, I'm sure it does, but would it be so terrible for British people to accept a slightly lower standard of living in exchange for greater security? What is the point of filling your house with fancy gadgets and brand new fittings if you are never there to enjoy it because it takes two full time workers to pay the bills?

The "controllers" have driven up the cost of living by offering British people more and more credit over the last 30 years: credit cards, personal loans, student loans, MEW, 4x joint income mortgages etc. The British people could have said no at any point, but they didn't. They can drive interest rates as low as they like, but if people have an aversion to debt they won't want to borrow money at any price. I think we are just arriving at that point now, where the "controllers" discover that if you push the easy money button too often and for too long, eventually it stops working.

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People in Poland are probably not as 'poor' as you think. Somebody who earns enough to comfortably cover their living expenses is in a different category to somebody who is constantly living right at the edge. UK savings rates are among the lowest in the world and our personal debts relative to incomes are astronomical. I'm not saying Poland has no economic problems, I'm sure it does, but would it be so terrible for British people to accept a slightly lower standard of living in exchange for greater security? What is the point of filling your house with fancy gadgets and brand new fittings if you are never there to enjoy it because it takes two full time workers to pay the bills?

The "controllers" have driven up the cost of living by offering British people more and more credit over the last 30 years: credit cards, personal loans, student loans, MEW, 4x joint income mortgages etc. The British people could have said no at any point, but they didn't. They can drive interest rates as low as they like, but if people have an aversion to debt they won't want to borrow money at any price. I think we are just arriving at that point now, where the "controllers" discover that if you push the easy money button too often and for too long, eventually it stops working.

Can't really disagree with this point especially the bit about credit. The danger we face looking ahead is Turkey (or other low labour cost economy) entering the EU and again pushing down wages. This can't be allowed to happen not that I've got anything against the Turks building up their country. The controllers are always looking for that 3% growth.

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At least 2/3rds of the workers we take on (most of whom are under 25) leave within a week. This is for unskilled manual work, fairly physical but outside and varied, paying NMW but with lots of overtime at premium rates and with the prospect of a (genuine) permanent position being made available. We are (mostly) nice people to work with, too. I can only conclude that the dole is so much more appealing.

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Global competition for labour wouldn't be such a problem if the cost of living was allowed to deflate here at the same rate as the jobs were leaving. There's nothing special about Chinese and Polish people, they've got hands and feet same as the rest of us, difference is they come from countries where the cost of living is much lower than it is here. Market forces will always find a way eventually so I don't think the solution is tariffs and quotas, the best solution is to allow the cost of living in the UK to fall until there's actually a point in employing British people again. Sadly our elite considers deflation to be the ultimate evil, perhaps because they realise (consciously or not) that if the winners are British workers, the losers will be British rentiers. They seem determined to keep pumping more and more cheap money in to keep the cost of living inflated, same as they have been doing for the past 30 years, irrespective of the real pain it is causing to their own people. Now that's evil.

Spot on. Which is why I hope deflation wins out in this war.

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http://uk.finance.ya...4ab0aa.html?x=0

Youth unemployment for two years or more soars by 42pc
Louisa Peacock, 10:13, Wednesday 11 August 2010
The number of young people trapped in long-term unemployment has shot up by 41.9pc in the last year, official figures out today have shown.
The total number of 18 to 24-year-olds out of work for two years or more rose to 72,000 in the three months to June, up 11pc on the previous quarter, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
The figures will add to fears that the UK labour market is increasingly shutting out younger workers, leading to a lost generation of people.

So we can now add "youthless recovereh" to the recovery.

This does beg the question, who people want to employ in 5 years time?

I am GenXer, and above me I see the 50 year olds being fired and not rehired and below me the 20 year olds not gaining new skills.

Will GenX and early GenY be the only people left with employment skills?  If so I can see monster wage inflation.

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The perfect employee

- Turns up on time, everytime.

- Only takes proper sick days, and no, not "hangover" sickies.

- Gets the job done, without fuss, with purpose and initiative.

- Does as they are told, without answerig back or bickering/moaning. Accepts constructive feedback.

- Attends work each day with a cheery disposition. Good at teamwork/communicating.

- Looks for work to be done, if it is quiet.

- Does not stand around chatting idly.

- Comes back from breaks on time.

- Ideally non-smoker who doesn't need a fag break every 5 mins(although for bosses/owners it doesn't matter)

- Good personal hygiene.

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At least 2/3rds of the workers we take on (most of whom are under 25) leave within a week. This is for unskilled manual work, fairly physical but outside and varied, paying NMW but with lots of overtime at premium rates and with the prospect of a (genuine) permanent position being made available. We are (mostly) nice people to work with, too. I can only conclude that the dole is so much more appealing.

If these young people are so bad , then why are companies still so loath to look at older people . Im not talking about 60+ people but 40+ . Today on the front of the Daily Whale they state that people are on the scrapheap at 50 , by my own experiences I think it is even younger.

I found a new job after redundancy but it was hard many of the people I worked with in their 40's have found it a night mare , and im not talking about them looking for good jobs they were ready to do the anything jobs.

Another problem that we all found with companies attitudes to people is the opposite of what you are finding we had all stayed at our old firm for many many years as we were well paid and looked after . We came to the conclusion that new employers did not like this either as at interviews there seemed to be an undercurrent of

" Why did you not move on ? " Answer why move on if I had a decent well paid job

It seems very difficult to win either way.

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- Ideally non-smoker who doesn't need a fag break every 5 mins(although for bosses/owners it doesn't matter)

Where I used to work the problem of smokers and their smoke brakes and non smokers not taking smoke brakes was looked at , not in very great detail but it was looked into .

The conclusion drawn was there was no difference between smokers and non smokers the non smokers took equal breaks , just in a different way and their breaks were more difficult to pin point as they did not advertise them so much like the smoker who was seen standing outside with a fag in his/her hand.

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Oldies should be force to retire at 65 to make way for the younguns. They had their kick at the can. Now let someone else have a turn. If after 40+ years of working they have no savings and can't afford to retire, they can start their own shoe shine business or whatever to make ends meet, or they can get a bed at the Sallie Anne...

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The perfect employee

- Turns up on time, everytime.

- Only takes proper sick days, and no, not "hangover" sickies.

- Gets the job done, without fuss, with purpose and initiative.

- Does as they are told, without answerig back or bickering/moaning. Accepts constructive feedback.

- Attends work each day with a cheery disposition. Good at teamwork/communicating.

- Looks for work to be done, if it is quiet.

- Does not stand around chatting idly.

- Comes back from breaks on time.

- Ideally non-smoker who doesn't need a fag break every 5 mins(although for bosses/owners it doesn't matter)

- Good personal hygiene.

How much do you pay in exchange for all this?

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Oldies should be force to retire at 65 to make way for the younguns. They had their kick at the can. Now let someone else have a turn. If after 40+ years of working they have no savings and can't afford to retire, they can start their own shoe shine business or whatever to make ends meet, or they can get a bed at the Sallie Anne...

Think you will find that people are getting pushed out of the work force way before 65+ these days , whatever we hear about age discrimination.

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The perfect employee

- Turns up on time, everytime.

- Only takes proper sick days, and no, not "hangover" sickies.

- Gets the job done, without fuss, with purpose and initiative.

- Does as they are told, without answerig back or bickering/moaning. Accepts constructive feedback.

- Attends work each day with a cheery disposition. Good at teamwork/communicating.

- Looks for work to be done, if it is quiet.

- Does not stand around chatting idly.

- Comes back from breaks on time.

- Ideally non-smoker who doesn't need a fag break every 5 mins(although for bosses/owners it doesn't matter)

- Good personal hygiene.

This is an invaluable tool to anyone who wants to be your perfect employee. To the rest of us, it's a bit dreary

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Ha ha, the current news speaks volumes, all the jobs are going to foreigners in the New World. http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/192697/Foreigners-get-77-of-new-jobs-in-Britain-as-too-many-of-us-live-on-benefits-/

And the wage for this will be set by the lowest common denominator; 50p a day in the East.

Welcome to globlisation.

Sterling will need to fall 90% to abort this trend, or Eastern currencies will need to rise massively. Or it will continue to be a painful slide. This is the truth.

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Left-wing government's have poisoned our young. They have let feral youths wield the real power, dictated to us how kids should be raised, got rid of negative words so as only to promote nicey nicey, dumbed down schooling, I could go on. Perhaps if a lot of youngsters are hopeless, it's because of the way they've been brought up, which has been dictated by the socialist brigade.

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The perfect employee

- Turns up on time, everytime.

- Only takes proper sick days, and no, not "hangover" sickies.

- Gets the job done, without fuss, with purpose and initiative.

- Does as they are told, without answerig back or bickering/moaning. Accepts constructive feedback.

- Attends work each day with a cheery disposition. Good at teamwork/communicating.

- Looks for work to be done, if it is quiet.

- Does not stand around chatting idly.

- Comes back from breaks on time.

- Ideally non-smoker who doesn't need a fag break every 5 mins(although for bosses/owners it doesn't matter)

- Good personal hygiene.

How about - Comes up with blinding marketing ideas that make the company a shedload of money? Then you can stuff the rest of that.

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Left-wing government's have poisoned our young. They have let feral youths wield the real power, dictated to us how kids should be raised, got rid of negative words so as only to promote nicey nicey, dumbed down schooling, I could go on. Perhaps if a lot of youngsters are hopeless, it's because of the way they've been brought up, which has been dictated by the socialist brigade.

Who is this left-wing government you're referring to?

New Labour? you're having a giraffe!

Old Labour were left wing, New labour were only slightly less right wing that the tories and a hell of alot more totalitarian

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The perfect employee

- Turns up on time, everytime.

- Only takes proper sick days, and no, not "hangover" sickies.

- Gets the job done, without fuss, with purpose and initiative.

- Does as they are told, without answerig back or bickering/moaning. Accepts constructive feedback.

- Attends work each day with a cheery disposition. Good at teamwork/communicating.

- Looks for work to be done, if it is quiet.

- Does not stand around chatting idly.

- Comes back from breaks on time.

- Ideally non-smoker who doesn't need a fag break every 5 mins(although for bosses/owners it doesn't matter)

- Good personal hygiene.

The perfect employer:

- Pays for every minute of employees' time.

- Pays enough for employees to live like independent adults.

- Understands that employees are animals, not robots, who respond to motivation and not just a set of instructions.

- Does not ask for interest free unsecured loans from employees when they are travelling on business.

- Provides a clean, well lit and aired working environment with adequate access to toilet and food preparation and consumption areas.

- Recognises employees when they do more than the minimum required.

- Seeks the input of employees on how things could be improved (but doesn't necessarily follow it).

But then, we can all dream, eh?

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Sorry but sometimes young people shut themselves out of work

Recently my BIL who owns a small engineering firm advertised for a senior worker at 40k pa approx half of the CVs he got were from grads with no experience- thats not what he wanted he wanted an experienced worker - the chap who got the job was in his 50s with 20 years experience .

3 months later he was in a position to take on a trainee at 18k instead of readverising he wrote to 25 of the grads who had applied for the senior post, offering them an interviews for the trainee post, only 3 replied - now you cant tell me that 22 grads had got a job in 3 months not in this climate- he and I think the reason is simple - that a lot of young people think their degrees should entitle them to a better wage and a higher position than a trainee, no doubt some of these are still applying for senior well paid jobs and bemoaning the fact that they are still unemployed.

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The perfect employer:

- Pays for every minute of employees' time.

- Pays enough for employees to live like independent adults.

- Understands that employees are animals, not robots, who respond to motivation and not just a set of instructions.

- Does not ask for interest free unsecured loans from employees when they are travelling on business.

- Provides a clean, well lit and aired working environment with adequate access to toilet and food preparation and consumption areas.

- Recognises employees when they do more than the minimum required.

- Seeks the input of employees on how things could be improved (but doesn't necessarily follow it).

- At dead times when there is little to do, he looks for imaginative ways to pay employees extra

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