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The governments vilification of the unemployed, cheerily backed by the MSM, is creating a deranged and thoroughly baseless resentment in wider society. An army of spoilt middle-class whiners are now convinced that the unemployed are the reason the economy is falling to bit, and consequently there is growing support for ever more punitive and spiteful measures against claimants. This won't end well.

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The governments vilification of the unemployed, cheerily backed by the MSM, is creating a deranged and thoroughly baseless resentment in wider society. An army of spoilt middle-class whiners are now convinced that the unemployed are the reason the economy is falling to bit, and consequently there is growing support for ever more punitive and spiteful measures against claimants. This won't end well.

Quite right.

Unfortunately, most people are ******ing retarded and want to use things like a minimum wage, rather than have a free market.

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I really wouldn't worry too much. It'll be damned difficult to squash the unemployed into camps once their numbers rise above 3 million. And some of the middle class whiners will change their tune once they unexpectedly lose their jobs, run through their savings (if they've got any) and find themselves having to claim benefits.

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Plenty of Housing Estates have resembled Stalags since they were built.

We have had previews of the Tory spending cuts and know that, whatever their protestations, the cuts will have most effect on the poorest.

A Stalag is not just a physical prison, it is a loss of freedom of choice, of options, of hope.

Reducing pensions, benefits, education and opportunity is a bleak future that willl ruin lives before any jobs growth becomes a reality.

Mr Cameron's vision for the future may appealto his Party faithful, many, many voters did not want his dismantling of our country.

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Quite right.

Unfortunately, most people are ******ing retarded and want to use things like a minimum wage, rather than have a free market.

But as you've readily accepted, we're never going to have truly free markets, and so provisions like the minimum wage need to exist.

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The governments vilification of the unemployed, cheerily backed by the MSM, is creating a deranged and thoroughly baseless resentment in wider society. An army of spoilt middle-class whiners are now convinced that the unemployed are the reason the economy is falling to bit, and consequently there is growing support for ever more punitive and spiteful measures against claimants. This won't end well.

I just don't see this. They're going after benefit fraud. Not legitimate claimaints. They're reducing housing benefit, which is acutally a "landlord benefit" and distorts rents and makes life more expensive for private tenants. They're going to move people out of social housing who don't need to live in social housing (thus freeing up resources for those that need it more).

Please give me a quote from a senior member of this government that is an example of 'villification of the unemployed'.

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But as you've readily accepted, we're never going to have truly free markets, and so provisions like the minimum wage need to exist.

Oh no, free markets are completely inevitable.

Just a matter of time.

Minimum wages are still no answer, even now.

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Oh no, free markets are completely inevitable.

Just a matter of time.

Minimum wages are still no answer, even now.

The 'Mad Max' films are a pretty good model for what a totally free market would look like.

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The 'Mad Max' films are a pretty good model for what a totally free market would look like.

No, they are a very good advert for what happens when everyoen tries to use force on each other.

Which is your favoured methodology.

How about it?

You fancy the striped dragster or the Tina Turner chestplate?

Or something more sensible, like putting the guns down and trading freely...

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Mr Cameron's vision for the future may appeal to his Party faithful, many, many voters did not want his dismantling of our country.

Fortunately, it's a democracy so the majority win. Many, many voters didn't want Labour bankrupting the country either.

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No, they are a very good advert for what happens when everyoen tries to use force on each other.

Which is your favoured methodology.

How about it?

You fancy the striped dragster or the Tina Turner chestplate?

Or something more sensible, like putting the guns down and trading freely...

It won't happen, power and greed will always get in the way someone always will end up using force.

The free market working is about as likely as everyone adopting the Star Trek ethos of everyone working towards the common good and obviously coming in peace and shooting to kill :)

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The governments vilification of the unemployed, cheerily backed by the MSM, is creating a deranged and thoroughly baseless resentment in wider society. An army of spoilt middle-class whiners are now convinced that the unemployed are the reason the economy is falling to bit, and consequently there is growing support for ever more punitive and spiteful measures against claimants. This won't end well.

They haven't thought this through either.

As we see those who have fallen being vilified in the media, we take the logical step to protect ourselves from their fate- we save our money.

So the wider impact of this demonization of the 'claimant' as a generic class will be to shut down spending as people try to build a reserve against the nightmare possibility that they might lose their jobs and so be forced on the benefits system through lack of funds.

The 'consumer' was/is a creature of the social safety net, could only exist in conjunction with it. So whatever small savings are to made by this stigmatization process are likely to be dwarfed by the pull back in consumer spending as people become even more afraid of falling into this situation personally- fear that is being stoked daily by this stigmatization process.

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An army of spoilt middle-class whiners are now convinced that the unemployed are the reason the economy is falling to bits

They have a point. More benefits are currently paid than income tax collected! The unemployed (and by which I mean long term useless eaters) serve no purpose in society.

The simple answer should have been only giving benefits where people have contributed to the fund. This would have stopped a lot of problems in their tracks. Meh.

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They have a point. More benefits are currently paid than income tax collected! The unemployed (and by which I mean long term useless eaters) serve no purpose in society.

The simple answer should have been only giving benefits where people have contributed to the fund. This would have stopped a lot of problems in their tracks. Meh.

But only a very few of of the unemployed are what you call useless eaters , most are long term workers who have lost their jobs and now are entitlled to claim , they have paid the income tax that you speak about , benefits do not just go to the unemployed there are a whole host of benefits paid to working people as well.

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They have a point. More benefits are currently paid than income tax collected! The unemployed (and by which I mean long term useless eaters) serve no purpose in society.

The simple answer should have been only giving benefits where people have contributed to the fund. This would have stopped a lot of problems in their tracks. Meh.

I assume by "benefits" you are including the state pension. Nice bit of selective reporting, you must be proud.

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They haven't thought this through either.

As we see those who have fallen being vilified in the media, we take the logical step to protect ourselves from their fate- we save our money.

So the wider impact of this demonization of the 'claimant' as a generic class will be to shut down spending as people try to build a reserve against the nightmare possibility that they might lose their jobs and so be forced on the benefits system through lack of funds.

The 'consumer' was/is a creature of the social safety net, could only exist in conjunction with it. So whatever small savings are to made by this stigmatization process are likely to be dwarfed by the pull back in consumer spending as people become even more afraid of falling into this situation personally- fear that is being stoked daily by this stigmatization process.

Oh my God. You mean that people will start behaving prudently? This is a disaster for society!

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I assume by "benefits" you are including the state pension. Nice bit of selective reporting, you must be proud.

No I wasnt. Hope you're proud of your random guessing.

most are long term workers who have lost their jobs and now are entitlled to claim , they have paid the income tax that you speak about , benefits do not just go to the unemployed there are a whole host of benefits paid to working people as well.

Do you have any proof of that? My feeling is that most goes to people pretending to be disabled, and teenagers having kids.

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But only a very few of of the unemployed are what you call useless eaters , most are long term workers who have lost their jobs and now are entitlled to claim , they have paid the income tax that you speak about , benefits do not just go to the unemployed there are a whole host of benefits paid to working people as well.

We are probably talking millions here. Not very few IMO.

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Oh my God. You mean that people will start behaving prudently? This is a disaster for society!

Imagine you own a shop and then people stop buying the things you sell- is that good for you or is it bad for you?

Or you own a factory that supplies that shop?

Or you deliver products to that shop?

Or produce the ads that appear in the windows of that shop?

Or clean the windows of that shop?

Or work in that shop?

Or ..... you get the picture. :D

The entire 'recovery' is predicated on the hope that people will not behave prudently.

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The unemployed (and by which I mean long term useless eaters) serve no purpose in society.

They are serving a purpose. They are the 'price worth paying' to keep in place the advantages enjoyed by the wealthy.

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how much of the state pension figure could secondaraly (new word or sp.) be attributed to rent/landlord costs?

too much i'd imagine, as well as a good chunk of the other bands.

in fact i wouldn't be surprised if housing was 50% of that benefit board cost. you can do anything with stats though, and they've pulled some shutters down here.

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