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That A4E documentary last year really opened to me the world of private entreprise getting into the systemise looting of the benefits system in the UK.

maybe someone can post a link - it's well worth a watch again.

Basically, this company is paid hundreds of pounds per person to make them improve their works skills by doing the sort of things you did on a P.4. arts and craft class. Reward at the end is a 2 week unpaid work experience job in Poundland.

Everyone's a winner - except the unemployed and the tax payer.

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That A4E documentary last year really opened to me the world of private entreprise getting into the systemise looting of the benefits system in the UK.

maybe someone can post a link - it's well worth a watch again.

Basically, this company is paid hundreds of pounds per person to make them improve their works skills by doing the sort of things you did on a P.4. arts and craft class. Reward at the end is a 2 week unpaid work experience job in Poundland.

Everyone's a winner - except the unemployed and the tax payer.

We had a good HPC thread on it: :)

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=123261&hl=a4e&st=0

The Channel 4 documentary was 'Benefit Busters' and is viewable now (in parts) on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4jr3e1sxgg

I think that the 'fairy jobmother' was the a4e enforcer featured in the documentary. Small world.

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That A4E documentary last year really opened to me the world of private entreprise getting into the systemise looting of the benefits system in the UK.

maybe someone can post a link - it's well worth a watch again.

Basically, this company is paid hundreds of pounds per person to make them improve their works skills by doing the sort of things you did on a P.4. arts and craft class. Reward at the end is a 2 week unpaid work experience job in Poundland.

Everyone's a winner - except the unemployed and the tax payer.

New Deal is much like that...bunging someone in either Poundland or a charity shop for 13 weeks...

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I think fariy job mother is an excelent programme , she found 3 people jobs in 3 weeks.

She only needs to find another 7,999,997 jobs in 7,999,997 weeks and our unemployment problem is solved. Oh plus the other millions who are about to loose their jobs , they might have to extend the series a bit.

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Yet another series predicated upon the assumption that all that stands in the way of the unemployed finding a job is effort.

I'm yet to be convinced otherwise.

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I'm yet to be convinced otherwise.

Maybe you can convince people that 8,000,000 the amount of people without a job can be divided into 400,000 the current vacancie rate ?

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Maybe you can convince people that 8,000,000 the amount of people without a job can be divided into 400,000 the current vacancie rate ?

That is predicated on the assumption that some of those people are unable to create their own business and hire other people.

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That is predicated on the assumption that some of those people are unable to create their own business and hire other people.

No that is not a pradiction , that is a fact . Not everyone can .

Fairy job mother is not about people starting their own business as it is a well know fact that not everyone can , due to many many obstacles. Its about finding jobs for the unemployed,

Now can you explain how 8,000,000 divides into 400,000. Then we can be at the point you stated that only effort is needed to find work.

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I'm yet to be convinced otherwise.

And you never will be, no matter the evidence presented, because you've got a chip on your shoulder that means you can only see unemployment as a personal failing, and not a sign of the health of the wider economy.

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That is predicated on the assumption that some of those people are unable to create their own business and hire other people.

Are you offering to lend all these people the capital? If not where do you suggest they get it?

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Maybe you can convince people that 8,000,000 the amount of people without a job can be divided into 400,000 the current vacancie rate ?

Not disputing your figures, but I would ask where the 400,000 was derived from?

Is the fish and chip shop vacancy included in that (if not advertised in the job centre)?

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Not disputing your figures, but I would ask where the 400,000 was derived from?

Is the fish and chip shop vacancy included in that (if not advertised in the job centre)?

"The number of vacancies for the three months to June 2010 was 486,000, up 10,000 over the quarter. The sector showing the largest quarterly increase was wholesaling, retailing and motor vehicle repairs, where the number of vacancies increased by 11,000 on the quarter to reach 95,000."

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=12

As I understand it the statistics are gathered collated from the job centre and several large private employment agencies. The methodology used has been criticised for a long time for generally overestimating the number of jobs in the economy due to the imperfect way duplicate advertisements are filtered.

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As I understand it the statistics are gathered collated from the job centre and several large private employment agencies. The methodology used has been criticised for a long time for generally overestimating the number of jobs in the economy due to the imperfect way duplicate advertisements are filtered.

ONS.. I should have checked!

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Not disputing your figures, but I would ask where the 400,000 was derived from?

Is the fish and chip shop vacancy included in that (if not advertised in the job centre)?

See post 15 , he answered it for me,

Just to add speaking to a woman who worked in a job centre plus last year and she said up untill about summer 2008 their remit was to try and get people back to work.

Since then there has been such an avalanche of unemployed coming in that they just process them and tick the boxes.

When i asked her how the job centres calculated their vacancy rate , she just laughed and went on to another topic.

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you can only see unemployment as a personal failing, and not a sign of the health of the wider economy.

I do see long term unemployment as a failing yes. In my modest 22yrs of employment I've had tens of jobs, worked in various countries, I've owned various businesses, worked for small companies, large companies, delivered pizzas for Dominos, worked in all manner of crap temporary jobs, but not once have I been unemployed, nor do I believe I will be, because I get off my ar5e and find the work.

OK, so there's 8 million people economically inactive (not the same as unemployed) and 400,000 vacancies., until there is 7,500,000 inactive and zero vacancies will I believe those people can't get work. (And again that doesn';t stop people starting their own business.. and no you don't need lots of money to start a business a bucket + sponge will start you out in car washing as an example)

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I do see long term unemployment as a failing yes. In my modest 22yrs of employment I've had tens of jobs, worked in various countries, I've owned various businesses, worked for small companies, large companies, delivered pizzas for Dominos, worked in all manner of crap temporary jobs, but not once have I been unemployed, nor do I believe I will be, because I get off my ar5e and find the work.

OK, so there's 8 million people economically inactive (not the same as unemployed) and 400,000 vacancies., until there is 7,500,000 inactive and zero vacancies will I believe those people can't get work. (And again that doesn';t stop people starting their own business.. and no you don't need lots of money to start a business a bucket + sponge will start you out in car washing as an example)

And then you would have some sympathy for the other 7,500,000 still unemployed ? lol,

Just for the record in my 28 years i always worked , a lot less jobs than you but i must have had better staying power than yourself , i did not flit form one job to the next . I did have low paid and high paid work though.

Then a few things happened ( one) I was made redundant and after starting another job was taken very ill . No sick pay and employment protection the job went and i signed on the sick. After recovering and back out looking for work , number( two) kicked in which is companies look at you as if there is something wrong with you if you have had a major illness, and number( three) i had reached middle age.

None the less in time I have found another job , it was hard but taught me that things have changed in the world of work , there are less jobs out there now than a few years back and no one can stop the age clock ticking.

I admire your 22 years at work without any break in employment , but a word of caution to you : try and stick at jobs rather than fliting as that shows employers that you are a fly by night , and now if you need another job you are going to be looked at in a lot more detail than previously.

Also another thing is you are quickly heading into middle age yourself and that is going to be a massive barrier to anyone except those with exceptional skills , which judging by your work history , you do not have. So my advice to you is stay put in a job if you can.

As for people starting a business with a bucket and sponge , we don't need 8 million car washers. Funny how things have changed as when i was a kid there was so much adult employment that that kind of work was left to kids so as they could earn some pocket money.

By the way telling people to start their own bussiness is a bit rich coming form you as by your own statment you have failed in that on more than one occasion haven't you.

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but i must have had better staying power than yourself , i did not flit form one job to the next

It was a combination of employers going out of business (mid-90s), short term contract assignments, temporary work, and moving on to better myself. It's not lack of staying power, it's ambition.

except those with exceptional skills , which judging by your work history , you do not have.

Fortunately now I'm the employer, modesty would prevent me from commenting on my skills, and wisdom prevents me from judging yours.

As for people starting a business with a bucket and sponge , we don't need 8 million car washers.

No, they don't, which is why I said "for example". I don't think this thread extends to detailing the vocation for each and every person unemployed.

By the way telling people to start their own bussiness is a bit rich coming form you as by your own statment you have failed in that on more than one occasion haven't you.

My statement said I had more than one business, you deduced they had failed, based on what ? In fact they have been succesful and sold or are ongoing.

The reader is invited to draw their own conclusions.

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I do see long term unemployment as a failing yes. In my modest 22yrs of employment I've had tens of jobs, worked in various countries, I've owned various businesses, worked for small companies, large companies, delivered pizzas for Dominos, worked in all manner of crap temporary jobs, but not once have I been unemployed, nor do I believe I will be, because I get off my ar5e and find the work.

OK, so there's 8 million people economically inactive (not the same as unemployed) and 400,000 vacancies., until there is 7,500,000 inactive and zero vacancies will I believe those people can't get work. (And again that doesn';t stop people starting their own business.. and no you don't need lots of money to start a business a bucket + sponge will start you out in car washing as an example)

Complete drivel. You denying a problem does not mean it does not exist. Most unemployed people scrape by on between £50 and £65 a week, do you really think that this state of affairs leaves them unmotivated to find work?

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It was a combination of employers going out of business (mid-90s), short term contract assignments, temporary work, and moving on to better myself. It's not lack of staying power, it's ambition.

Fortunately now I'm the employer, modesty would prevent me from commenting on my skills, and wisdom prevents me from judging yours.

No, they don't, which is why I said "for example". I don't think this thread extends to detailing the vocation for each and every person unemployed.

My statement said I had more than one business, you deduced they had failed, based on what ? In fact they have been succesful and sold or are ongoing.

The reader is invited to draw their own conclusions.

And more complete drivel he sold his thriving business and then went to deliver pizza.

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And more complete drivel he sold his thriving business and then went to deliver pizza.

My work 'history' wasn't listed chronologically, but it there's anyway I can clear up any of your misunderstandings, don't hesitate to ask and save yourself further embarrasment.

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My work 'history' wasn't listed chronologically, but it there's anyway I can clear up any of your misunderstandings, don't hesitate to ask and save yourself further embarrasment.

Won't bother , your ignorance of the unemployment situation and arrogant attitude to those without a job sums it all up for me.

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Basically the bar is set so 25% of the population cannot get jobs. If everyone learned to jump higher, the bar would simply be higher, and the bottom 25% would still be without jobs.

And over the coming year the bar will be moved up by 1-2%. And every year it will rise another 1-2%. All the while the people who don't make it will be blamed on an individual level for not being one of the ones who made it.

The disabled, the slow minded, the sick.. are already almost completely excluded from the job market. Now its moving to age discrimination -- also appearance based discrimination is growing in companies. If 20 people are applying for your job, why hire the ugly one?.. especially in our service based economy.

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