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Judge backs scheme as thief jailed

A controversial scheme which saw a prolific teenage burglar initially avoid custody has been defended as he was jailed for five years after reoffending.

Bradley Wernham, 19, has admitted hundreds of offences with police estimating he has stolen about £1.1 million of goods, including sports cars, since he was 11.

The teenager was given an opportunity to turn his back on his life of crime when he appeared before Judge Christopher Ball QC last October to be sentenced for 17 thefts and burglaries, with another 645 being taken into consideration.

Instead of jail, Wernham was given a string of community penalties which included a three-year supervision order and a night-time curfew, and required him to carry out unpaid work. It was the first time Essex Police had tried the "innovative" scheme, which the judge admitted was a "gamble".

This confirms my belief that this country has lost the plot. :rolleyes:

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Yep.

Jail doesn't work and never has, trying it again is insane.

Well that kind of depends on what you expect it to do.

I've an suspicion that it works rather well.

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Yep.

Jail doesn't work and never has, trying it again is insane.

How about the Birch, when used in the IOM it worked very well and those birched learnt very quickly until that Socialist European State intervened and banned it.

We could also return to the stocks which was another method which proved successful. Seriously. ;)

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How about the Birch, when used in the IOM it worked very well and those birched learnt very quickly until that Socialist European State intervened and banned it.

no, it works terribly.

We could also return to the stocks which was another method which proved successful. Seriously. ;)

no, it was useless.

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Yep.

Jail doesn't work and never has, trying it again is insane.

Pointing out that something doesn't work is easy; suggesting a better alternative is somewhat harder :)

(I'm all for jail being inhumane etc..., but until someone can convince me that there is a better alternative...)

EDIT: typo.

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Pointing out that something doesn't work is easy; suggesting a better alternative is somewhat harder :)

(I'm all for jail being inhumane etc..., but until someone can convince me that there is a better alternative...)

EDIT: typo.

So we do something we know doesn't work because.....?

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no, it works terribly.

no, it was useless.

I`ve got it.

Take away their Mobile Phones, ban them from every Network.

The withdrawal symptoms would be so intense they would then conform to what Society expects of their behaviour. ;)

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I`ve got it.

Take away their Mobile Phones, ban them from every Network.

The withdrawal symptoms would be so intense they would then conform to what Society expects of their behaviour. ;)

:lol:

Why is conformity a value though?

We don't want them stealing, or when they do we want full repayment + extra perhaps. Punishment doesn't do that.

(What is missing from your analysis is the ability of some to put whoever they like in the stocks, btw.)

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How about the Birch, when used in the IOM it worked very well and those birched learnt very quickly until that Socialist European State intervened and banned it.

We could also return to the stocks which was another method which proved successful. Seriously. ;)

Socialist? Fascist more like.

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Yep.

Jail doesn't work and never has, trying it again is insane.

Jail works brilliantly. Keeps the criminals out of circulation.

I'd change the system though.

Only the violent go to jail - to keep them from molesting the normal people.

People who commit non-violent crimes get a community based sentence.

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Yep.

Jail doesn't work and never has, trying it again is insane.

Jaja.. this is from the person who believes in marshal law, no?

You come across all lefty, but I know what you're really thinking is you'd have blown off his knee caps and stolen his wallet if he'd tried to break into your house :lol:

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We could always keep their eyes open and force them to watch the worst excesses of human violence while making them feel nauseas and playing Beethoven ...

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We could always keep their eyes open and force them to watch the worst excesses of human violence while making them feel nauseas and playing Beethoven ...

Nooooooo not the main forum !!!!

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Jail works brilliantly. Keeps the criminals out of circulation.

it doesn't because everybody gets stolen from to pay for the jail.

I'd change the system though.

Only the violent go to jail - to keep them from molesting the normal people.

People who commit non-violent crimes get a community based sentence.

As jail requires kidnapping anything less than kidnapping shouldn't result in jail time for the obvious reasons that jail will increase the amount of human on human crime.

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Chop bits of their bodies off after, say, the third offence.

Chopping hands off is silly becauase you end up with a person who cannot honestly earn his keep.

Chop half a foot off, a la Kunta Kinte, and you end up with a person stil capable of a lot of jobs, they just can't run. And being fleet of foot is necessary for a lot of thieves and robbers. I mean, what use is a mugger that you can just laugh and run away from?

Also consider lobotomy, as suggested in "2000 AD". Turn the criminal into a dull, stupid automaton who could still be trained to do stuff like cleaning toilets, or sweeping leaves and stuff. He just wouldn't be much fun at parties any more.

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no, it works terribly.

no, it was useless.

Injin mate, have you every agreed with anyone 100% on this forum?

Even in instances when you've agreed with other poster's statements, it seems like you've always qualified that agreement with another statement.

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We could always keep their eyes open and force them to watch the worst excesses of human violence while making them feel nauseas and playing Beethoven ...

I'm convinced that would work. The only drawback is that the government would be inundated with thousands of claims for dry cleaning bills.

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it doesn't because everybody gets stolen from to pay for the jail.

Afraid you are wrong when it comes to this particular case.

Stole an average of 138k per year. IIRC it costs about 40k per year for each inmate.

So in conclusion in this case nobody is being stolen from if this bloke is stuck in prison for the next 10 years. In fact we are up about 100k per year for him sitting there being able to steal nothing. It also means less time wasted by the Police etc.. looking into all this stuff.

Everyone is a winner - except for the bloke of course. But then that is the point.

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Criminals who receive long sentences should be given an option for early release. Every year spent walking in front of our boys on foot patrol in helmand province would knock five years off the original sentence. That would be real community service.

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Injin mate, have you every agreed with anyone 100% on this forum?

Even in instances when you've agreed with other poster's statements, it seems like you've always qualified that agreement with another statement.

Yes* :)

*I have now...oh hang on.....

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Afraid you are wrong when it comes to this particular case.

Stole an average of 138k per year. IIRC it costs about 40k per year for each inmate.

So in conclusion in this case nobody is being stolen from if this bloke is stuck in prison for the next 10 years. In fact we are up about 100k per year for him sitting there being able to steal nothing. It also means less time wasted by the Police etc.. looking into all this stuff.

Everyone is a winner - except for the bloke of course. But then that is the point.

My word did I actually manage to stump you for a reply. :)

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Criminals who receive long sentences should be given an option for early release. Every year spent walking in front of our boys on foot patrol in helmand province would knock five years off the original sentence. That would be real community service.

Totally agree with you Daft Boy, you are not as daft as your ID and avatar suggests. ;)

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