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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/7926037/UFO-files-Winston-Churchill-feared-panic-over-Second-World-War-RAF-incident.html

During their flight, on the English coast, possibly near Cumbria, their aircraft was approached by a metallic UFO which shadowed them.

Photographs of the object, which the crew claimed had “hovered noiselessly” near the plane, were taken by the crew.

Later, during discussions about the unexplained incident, the two men were claimed to have become so concerned by the incident that Churchill ordered it remain secret for 50 years or more.

During the meeting, a weapons expert dismissed suggestions the object was a missile as the event was "totally beyond any imagined capabilities of the time".

Another person at the meeting raised the possibility of a UFO, at which point Churchill ordered the report to be classified for at least half a century and reviewed by the prime minister to stop “panic” spreading.

“There was a general inability for either side to match a plausible account to these observations, and this caused a high degree of concern,” wrote the scientist, whose details are redacted.

"Mr Churchill is reported to have made a declaration to the effect of the following: 'This event should be immediately classified since it would create mass panic among the general population and destroy one's belief in the Church'."

How much of the stuff classified as "top secret" is in fact moronic gossip?

My own belief that 90% of the stuff classified as "top secret" is in fact benign nonsense which wouldn't affect national security in any way if it was in the public domain.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/7926037/UFO-files-Winston-Churchill-feared-panic-over-Second-World-War-RAF-incident.html

How much of the stuff classified as "top secret" is in fact moronic gossip?

My own belief that 90% of the stuff classified as "top secret" is in fact benign nonsense which wouldn't affect national security in any way if it was in the public domain.

Another person at the meeting raised the possibility of a UFO, at which point Churchill ordered the report to be classified for at least half a century and reviewed by the prime minister to stop “panic” spreading.

If this is an even vaguely reliable description of events - I would imagine Churchill probably thought they had more pressing issues to worry about other than idle speculation about alien invaders, mystical flying objects and the impact that sort of thing would have on an already paranoid and ill informed population. He probably thought it was bull shit but wanted to bury it to concentrate on greater priorities.

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Or perhaps it could have been thought of as a German super weapon and thus kept underwraps as it would scare the people.

That said WWII was a slave army war, you could not refuse to fight.

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Was there any concept of UFO = alien invaders during the 40's? The UFO craze didn't really get underway until the 1950's along with "cold war hysteria" and the constant threat of nuclear armageddon.More likely the "UFO" was considered to be superior technology developed by an enemy power.

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If this is an even vaguely reliable description of events - I would imagine Churchill probably thought they had more pressing issues to worry about other than idle speculation about alien invaders, mystical flying objects and the impact that sort of thing would have on an already paranoid and ill informed population. He probably thought it was bull shit but wanted to bury it to concentrate on greater priorities.

I understand that but why keep it suppressed until now? Why not release this info in the mid 50's or 60's?

Keeping this a secret for over 60 years was ridiculous.

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I understand that but why keep it suppressed until now? Why not release this info in the mid 50's or 60's?

Keeping this a secret for over 60 years was ridiculous.

Was it not (I genuinely have no idea) a 'standard' or even default period of time?

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"Mr Churchill is reported to have made a declaration to the effect of the following: 'This event should be immediately classified since it would create mass panic among the general population and destroy one's belief in the Church'."

Well we can`t have that, can we. Nobhead.

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Was it not (I genuinely have no idea) a 'standard' or even default period of time?

Yes, I think that's the most likely answer.

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All that Dunblane paedo stuff is classified. For all we know UFOs could be some sort of illuminati paedo escape pods.

POST OF THE YEAR

...so far.

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What does not ring true about this story is that it was supposedly a bomber crew returning from a reconaissance mission over Europe.

OK, they would have had photographic equipment aboard but why were they flying over Cumbria?

If they had taken off from one of the bomber bases in East Anglia or on the South Coast then they could have flown to France or Belgium/Netherlands but then why go all the way up to Cumbria on their return?

Likewise, if they had gone further south into France or into Germany they simply would not have had fuel to get to Cumbria on the return - and, again, why would they?

OK, they may have been flying out over the Western Approaches but, again, this was usually done by aircraft stationed in Northern Ireland. Or to the Bay of Biscay - aircraft normally stationed on the South West Coast But then both are not returning from a mission over Europe are they?

The 'returning from a reconaissance mission over Europe' and the sighting over Cumbria do not make any logistical sense.

TMT in Dana Scully mode.

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What does not ring true about this story is that it was supposedly a bomber crew returning from a reconaissance mission over Europe.

OK, they would have had photographic equipment aboard but why were they flying over Cumbria?

Probably returning to one of the RAF bases in Northern Ireland. They were used for this sort of thing.

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Probably returning to one of the RAF bases in Northern Ireland. They were used for this sort of thing.

Indeed. My Gran worked on checking all the planes as they left. Today she can't remember what you said to her 5 minutes ago - however she can still remember exactly what she had to check on these planes 70 years ago.

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You did not read my entire post did you?

I thought I had, sorry about that!

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That said WWII was a slave army war, you could not refuse to fight.

In this case it only takes one to tango. If the UK (for example) had allowed its men to refuse to fight for their country, they might well have ended up being unable to refuse to fight for their new German overlords.

Admittedly, there could have been other ways of achieving the goal, than direct compulsion.

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In this case it only takes one to tango. If the UK (for example) had allowed its men to refuse to fight for their country, they might well have ended up being unable to refuse to fight for their new German overlords.

Admittedly, there could have been other ways of achieving the goal, than direct compulsion.

Forcibly conscripted into the German Wehrmacht or in the Waffen SS, during the Second World War? Hmm, another re-writing of WW2 French history.

Those regions mentioned were regularly exchanged between France and Germany for hundreds of years prior. Whilst France in 1939 I think you will find that many considered themselves of German ancestry if not German.

Forcibly conscripted? No, I don't think so.

You conscript people in third-rate units to make up cannon fodder and not into the elite of National Socialism.

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Were they not called Foo Fighters? Strange objects hovering above aircraft wings.

One RAF chappy was known to say...

'They are obviously Gay.

Kept trying to put the willies up me'

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I spent some time in my military days on light duties at a major RAF base in Oxfordshire - basically on a switchboard taking low flying complaints from all over the place - often we would get UFO reports and far from keeping them secret , the common practice was to read em , giggle , log em and bin em - no conspiracy just no importance attached to them

My favourite was a lady who kept ringing to tell us UFO's were landing at the end of her garden and nicking her runner beans . I mean the yanks get ******** probes , brits get vegatative theft - not fair IMO

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I spent some time in my military days on light duties at a major RAF base in Oxfordshire - basically on a switchboard taking low flying complaints from all over the place - often we would get UFO reports and far from keeping them secret , the common practice was to read em , giggle , log em and bin em - no conspiracy just no importance attached to them

My favourite was a lady who kept ringing to tell us UFO's were landing at the end of her garden and nicking her runner beans . I mean the yanks get ******** probes , brits get vegatative theft - not fair IMO

Before you can do an ******** probe you must first find an appropriate vegetable! Gee, no wonder these aliens have not been tracked down!

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I spent some time in my military days on light duties at a major RAF base in Oxfordshire - basically on a switchboard taking low flying complaints from all over the place - often we would get UFO reports and far from keeping them secret , the common practice was to read em , giggle , log em and bin em - no conspiracy just no importance attached to them

My favourite was a lady who kept ringing to tell us UFO's were landing at the end of her garden and nicking her runner beans . I mean the yanks get ******** probes , brits get vegatative theft - not fair IMO

I once did similar at an airbase in Suffolk. One day I took a call from Delia Smith's TV show producer complaining about our aircraft ruining their shoot. Naturally I weighed up all the arguments and filed her complaint appropriately. ;)

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Were they not called Foo Fighters? Strange objects hovering above aircraft wings.

One RAF chappy was known to say...

'They are obviously Gay.

Kept trying to put the willies up me'

Our beloved comedian/childrens presenter Michael Bentine was an RAF Intelligence officer in WW2 and his night flying, bomb dropping, Poles reported being buzzed by shiney balls of light. But he also had reports from the Americans who were getting buzzed by them by day. The americans christened them 'Foo Fighters'.... Michaels book 'The Door Marked Summer' refers. ISBN 0-586-05206-2. Wonderfully spiritual book. Can't think why he would lie.

There is also modern footage of them on a DVD called 'Crop circles- the search for the truth.' It has footage on the disc somewhere of two unmarked military choppers playing tag with one in the cornfields of somewhere near stonehenge. I got interested after seeing something odd in the eighties.

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There is also modern footage of them on a DVD called 'Crop circles- the search for the truth.' It has footage on the disc somewhere of two unmarked military choppers playing tag with one in the cornfields of somewhere near stonehenge. I got interested after seeing something odd in the eighties.

I saw a crop circle from a military helicopter down near Stonehenge, it was bloody impressive. We put it down to bored students rather than aliens though.

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