....then They Came For The Drinkers.....

[CokeSnortingTory]

I'm all ears for your counter-argument.

Maybe I should add that I don't smoke the stuff, I vape it.

For the ultimate headf*ck, marinate it in coffee, and then eat it with yoghurt.

Warning: use much less than your think you should use.

[Frank Hovis]

I'm all ears for your counter-argument.

Maybe I should add that I don't smoke the stuff, I vape it.

I don't want to hijack the thread XQ.

Low / moderate usage of cannabis will cause mental health issues in susceptible users, that doesn't happen with drinkers.

Whereas the bottle of vodka a day / blind drunk every night drinker will be doing themselves far more physical harm - direct and indirect - than the regular cannabis user.

So alcohol is a safe drug in moderation; cannabis may not be if you're unlucky.

[Guest X-QUORK]

I don't want to hijack the thread XQ.

Fair enough. I disagree with your comeback, but maybe we should save it for another thread.

[D.C.]

I don't want to hijack the thread XQ.

Low / moderate usage of cannabis will cause mental health issues in susceptible users, that doesn't happen with drinkers.

Whereas the bottle of vodka a day / blind drunk every night drinker will be doing themselves far more physical harm - direct and indirect - than the regular cannabis user.

So alcohol is a safe drug in moderation; cannabis may not be if you're unlucky.

Got actual evidence to back that up?

I'm just asking because after the media started running that particular story the politicians asked the British Medical Association to investigate it and after careful consideration of things called facts, they decided it was media hype with no evidence.

I am allergic to morphine, if I ever took even a very small amount of heroin I would drop dead.

Some people are allergic to peanuts.

Or water.

Or protein.

etc

etc

You need to do better than that to justify banning it...

[Frank Hovis]

Got actual evidence to back that up?

I'm just asking because after the media started running that particular story the politicians asked the British Medical Association to investigate it and after careful consideration of things called facts, they decided it was media hype with no evidence.

I am allergic to morphine, if I ever took even a very small amount of heroin I would drop dead.

Some people are allergic to peanuts.

Or water.

Or protein.

etc

etc

You need to do better than that to justify banning it...

Yes, I have been researching in this field for 20 years.

Or not. It's what I've read. I haven't ploughed into in depth because since I'm happy with the status quo (cannabis is illegal but not much) I'm not that bothered about it.

[Guest X-QUORK]

(cannabis is illegal but not much)

Not very illegal? Try growing some and let me know how you get on with plod.

[Austin Allegro]

Now the anti-smoking lobby have achieved many of their objectives, I didn't think it would be long before alcohol was targetted. Now they've started....

The ten local authorities in and around Manchester hope to pass a by-law that would set a minimum price of 50p per unit of alcohol, in an attempt to end to the cheap deals blamed for drink-fuelled disorder and health problems.

It would affect all the pubs, supermarkets and off-licences in Manchester, Bolton, Rochdale, Oldham and the area covered by the The Association of Greater Manchester Authorities (AGMA), which has a population of 3.9 million.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7922579/Manchester-attempts-to-impose-minimum-price-of-alcohol.html

First found here, which I'll link for some of the choice comments!!

http://www.oldholborn.net/2010/08/unelected-dictators.html

The temperance movement has been around a long time. It was often authoritarian (dry Sundays etc) but tended to rely more on an individual commitment than blanket bans. What's changed is the growing statism that requires measurable results. Once you have socialised medicine, you have an incentive to control individual behaviour which has no bearing on anyone else - eg, smoking, obesity etc. Add to that the dearth of 'real' jobs which means every other person works for some sort of lobbying group, quango or charity set up to meddle in the affairs of others - and you get the current fixation with over regulation and bans.

I've always found it ironic that Labour, who love complicated laws and arcane money-making systems of regulation, introduced a simple blanket smoking ban in public indoor places when they could have come up with some Gormenghastian regulatory system creating thousands of non-jobs to enforce it.

[swissy_fit]

For the ultimate headf*ck, marinate it in coffee, and then eat it with yoghurt.

Warning: use much less than your think you should use.

marinate the leaves, the flowers, or the resin?

What difference does the coffee and yoghurt make?

When you say ultimate headf*ck, are we talking unpleasant paranoia and delusions or something nice?

[Guest X-QUORK]

marinate the leaves, the flowers, or the resin?

What difference does the coffee and yoghurt make?

When you say ultimate headf*ck, are we talking unpleasant paranoia and delusions or something nice?

There's an awful lot of "mothers tales" spoken about ways to supercharge the stuff.

[oracle]

Exactly. From Oldholborn's site:

Unusual in that local authorities have never set the price for anything, nor indeed, are allowed to by law.

Andy Walker, at Our Life, said: "There are 1.3 million adults in the North West who drink hazardous or harmful amounts of alcohol. And the cost to the NHS North West, in terms of treating alcohol-related injuries and illnesses, is in excess of £400 million a year."

the authorities should be thankful that there are going to be so many instances of premature death by pickled liver.

wouldn't want the pensions crisis to get out of control!!

just think how fooked we'd be if they ended up living until they were 90 by taking present government advice and becoming a puritanical smoke-free teetotaller!

swings and roundabouts innit!

two things in life are certain,death and taxes.

so I guess it's best to pay up-front.

[Dubai]

the authorities should be thankful that there are going to be so many instances of premature death by pickled liver.

wouldn't want the pensions crisis to get out of control!!

just think how fooked we'd be if they ended up living until they were 90 by taking present government advice and becoming a puritanical smoke-free teetotaller!

swings and roundabouts innit!

two things in life are certain,death and taxes.

so I guess it's best to pay up-front.

You're crediting the busybodies with intelligence. I don't think that's warranted.

[ImA20SomethingGetMeOutOfHere]

I don't want to hijack the thread XQ.

Low / moderate usage of cannabis will cause mental health issues in susceptible users, that doesn't happen with drinkers.

Whereas the bottle of vodka a day / blind drunk every night drinker will be doing themselves far more physical harm - direct and indirect - than the regular cannabis user.

So alcohol is a safe drug in moderation; cannabis may not be if you're unlucky.

And alcohol can cause depression.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/depression/alcoholanddepression_000486.htm

It's actually quite a nasty drug. I reckon there's a good chance that a fair number of illegal narcotics are far less unpleasant.

[ccc]

the authorities should be thankful that there are going to be so many instances of premature death by pickled liver.

wouldn't want the pensions crisis to get out of control!!

just think how fooked we'd be if they ended up living until they were 90 by taking present government advice and becoming a puritanical smoke-free teetotaller!

swings and roundabouts innit!

two things in life are certain,death and taxes.

so I guess it's best to pay up-front.

A few very large studies have shown that those drinking between 20-30 units per week actually live the longest and healthiest lives. Now of course there are lots of other factors involved and I am sure it's a very complex matter. However this group of people nearly all drink more than we are 'supposed' to. Yet they are healthier and live longer than anyone else.

Combine this with the fact that these 'limits' have been shown to be simply made up. (One of the blokes on the original panel was in a news story recently stating this) and drinking 'too much' is a little more tricky to work out.

I reckon anything less than 30 units per week is pretty decent and very unlikely to cause you any serious harm. In fact more than likely to be good for you.

Excellent.

PS - In large amounts it is a seriously damaging thing. I have no bones about that.

[CokeSnortingTory]

marinate the leaves, the flowers, or the resin?

What difference does the coffee and yoghurt make?

When you say ultimate headf*ck, are we talking unpleasant paranoia and delusions or something nice?

Just make a cup of instant coffee, crumble the resin into the coffee, and drink it as you normally would do. When you get to the bottom, you'll find the undissolved resin congealed in the bottom of the cup. Scrape it into a pot of yoghurt, stir and eat.

The resulting experience that I had was like the heaviest LSD trip imaginable combined with amphetamine sulphate. My pulse rate was equivalent to a gerbil's. This was using the same amount of resin I'd normally have used for one joint. This is why I say use much less that you think.

The other thing that it makes you see is that there really are nasty things lurking in cannabis, and probably even nastier things lurking in yoghurt.

[ImA20SomethingGetMeOutOfHere]

Just make a cup of instant coffee, crumble the resin into the coffee, and drink it as you normally would do. When you get to the bottom, you'll find the undissolved resin congealed in the bottom of the cup. Scrape it into a pot of yoghurt, stir and eat.

The resulting experience that I had was like the heaviest LSD trip imaginable combined with amphetamine sulphate. My pulse rate was equivalent to a gerbil's. This was using the same amount of resin I'd normally have used for one joint. This is why I say use much less that you think.

The other thing that it makes you see is that there really are nasty things lurking in cannabis, and probably even nastier things lurking in yoghurt.

When we were students we once gave a housemate a coffee bong. How we laughed as he didn't get a wink of sleep that night. We later found out this was quite dangerous. Oops.

[swissy_fit]

Just make a cup of instant coffee, crumble the resin into the coffee, and drink it as you normally would do. When you get to the bottom, you'll find the undissolved resin congealed in the bottom of the cup. Scrape it into a pot of yoghurt, stir and eat.

The resulting experience that I had was like the heaviest LSD trip imaginable combined with amphetamine sulphate. My pulse rate was equivalent to a gerbil's. This was using the same amount of resin I'd normally have used for one joint. This is why I say use much less that you think.

The other thing that it makes you see is that there really are nasty things lurking in cannabis, and probably even nastier things lurking in yoghurt.

Thanks for the description, I won't be doing that.

In my fairly limited experience eating the resin is always a dodgy thing to do, the strength of the reaction is difficult to estimate and varies between the not-noticing-much and full-on hallucinations.

I'll stick to (very very occasionally) sprinkling the weed itself into biscuit mixture - much safer and more pleasant.

Yeah I know, wimp, but I'm happy to be a wimp on this subject.

[CokeSnortingTory]

So the yoghurt is a crucial step in the process? Does it only work with resin or would it work with a bit of skunk?

I don't know really as that was my one and only experience with it.

I was taking LSD and mushrooms quite regularly at the time, but with this I had met my match.