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They bought for 3M spent 4M on it and were planning on selling it for 5M plus giving grants.

However their timing was awful and they think the credit crunch stopped them selling it.

Was on BBC4 last night - looked like a repeat but showing how insane people are when it's not their own money.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/visual_arts/architecture_and_design/article4035870.ece

English Heritage is looking for a contemporary Croesus willing to spend up to £20 million to complete repairs to one of the grandest stately homes in England.

Apethorpe Hall, near Stamford, Northamptonshire, is built of blemishless oatmeal and honey-coloured stone, and has the timeless, ravishing beauty of an ancient Oxbridge College — Porterhouse Blue and Another Country were filmed here. The long gabled fronts, bristling with urns and chimneys, enclose one of the most graceful country-house courtyards in all England.

Apethorpe was built for a 15thcentury courtier and extended for an Elizabethan Chancellor of the Exchequer. James I commanded the Earl of Westmorland to add a long gallery for his “more commodious entertainment . . . and princely recreation”, supplying the timber from Rockingham Forest.

http://apethorpehall.smithsgore.co.uk/

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You would have to spend another 2M on it to make it habitable.

Cost about 400K a year to operate.

Its miles from anywhere!

By today's standards it’s a white elephant.

(Lovely though)

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Saw that when it was first on. They got some Prince Charles-sponsored twit in and he just pissed English Heritage's money up the wall big time.

He is the sort of person who should never be allowed near a charity's finances as they will just throw it away on vanity projects; I felt very sorry for the English Heritage staff who had to do what he said when they knew it was going to end in tears.

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Saw that when it was first on. They got some Prince Charles-sponsored twit in and he just pissed English Heritage's money up the wall big time.

Harsh. They're more of a government department aren't they? If they hadn't bought the house it wouldn't have been saved, and the nation would be a poorer place. Its a shame for us taxpayers that they lost so much money, but making a profit isn't their aim - preserving our country's architecture and history is their aim.

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Harsh. They're more of a government department aren't they? If they hadn't bought the house it wouldn't have been saved, and the nation would be a poorer place. Its a shame for us taxpayers that they lost so much money, but making a profit isn't their aim - preserving our country's architecture and history is their aim.

Can we save every historic building?

When did they buy it? 2005? 2006? During some pretty good years for house buying.

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Harsh. They're more of a government department aren't they? If they hadn't bought the house it wouldn't have been saved, and the nation would be a poorer place. Its a shame for us taxpayers that they lost so much money, but making a profit isn't their aim - preserving our country's architecture and history is their aim.

But then they insisted on doing everything traditionally, including relearning old skills, so the renovation cost a fortune that they would never see back. They then put so many restrictions on what a buyer could do with the place that, combined with the sheer cost, nobody in their right mind would buy it.

If the aim was to preserve it then it could have been doen so much cheaper and would then have found a willing buyer. As I say, vanity project.

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There was another programme about these twits developing some garden at one of their sites, it cost a fortune, was way over budget and behind schedule and the chief twit demanded a whole load of stone work to be demolished and rebuilt because he didn't like the fake aged stones, which he demanded in the first place, other things were also changed around at great expense like a child playing with lego. Basically a bunch of Hooray Henrys' pi$$ing away a load of public money on a white elephant. The people working for English Heritage were straight out of central casting, they're just as you imagine them, basically Tim Nice But Dim types playing at being Sarah Beeny with our money.

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Can we save every historic building?

When did they buy it? 2005? 2006? During some pretty good years for house buying.

+1

Its all futile. There isn't enough spare money and in the final analysis, houses are built, maintained while its economic and then demolished or abandoned. Its normal.

Eventually the next ice age will eradicate all UK property as far as B'ham or so anyway. What a construction boom that'll stimulate!

We belong to English Heritage - for enjoyable family days out. If it makes them happy to use the money on doomed renovations that's their perogative as long as they don't neglect our favourite haunts.

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they're just as you imagine them, basically Tim Nice But Dim types playing at being Sarah Beeny with our money.

Indeed.

But seriously, what's the alternative? Allow 500 year old buildings to be knocked down and replaced with mock-tudor new builds for footballer's wives?

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Indeed.

But seriously, what's the alternative? Allow 500 year old buildings to be knocked down and replaced with mock-tudor new builds for footballer's wives?

All castles built of sand return to the sea -------- eventually.

p-o-p

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Apethorpe was built for a 15thcentury courtier and extended for an Elizabethan Chancellor of the Exchequer. James I commanded the Earl of Westmorland to add a long gallery for his “more commodious entertainment . . . and princely recreation”, supplying the timber from Rockingham Forest.

http://apethorpehall.smithsgore.co.uk/

...built for a 15thcentury courtier...

Wow, not bad.

Pretty good remuneration just for being a yes man.

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Indeed.

But seriously, what's the alternative? Allow 500 year old buildings to be knocked down and replaced with mock-tudor new builds for footballer's wives?

You record the building. You send in some archaelogists to go and document what state it's in (They might already have done this anyway) and create a proper record of the building as it is.

It shouldn't have been bought. Perhaps someone else would have done if they hadn't have.

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Indeed.

But seriously, what's the alternative? Allow 500 year old buildings to be knocked down and replaced with mock-tudor new builds for footballer's wives?

Maybe not try and keep everything in aspic, or demand renovations be done to a specification that probably wasn't even in the original plan anyway, plenty of these old places have been kept in private hands but subdivided, and they provide useful shelter as a home, as originally intended, rather than a living museum. Turning them over to the footballers wives would be a great idea, the chavistocrats have the requisite dosh.

There was some lowly grade c listed building featured on Property Ladder and they'd removed the old plastic guttering, once the clipboard mafia arrived they demanded it be replaced with bespoke cast iron costing thousands, despite the fact it made no material or visual difference, and the place was previously an unoccupied tip. Talk about making the best the enemy of the good, basically instead of having 10 homes all maintained up to a decent standard they'd rather have 4 done absolutely perfectly with the finest ancient artisan *****ery and let the other 6 left to rot to bits due to lack of funds.

Ouch, so the market would have sorted it out fine, but then the Tim Nice But Dim types decided to fight over it like a spoilt kid, and now they've wasted a ton of our money and made a dogs breakfast of it all.

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There was some lowly grade c listed building featured on Property Ladder and they'd removed the old plastic guttering, once the clipboard mafia arrived they demanded it be replaced with bespoke cast iron costing thousands,

I'm pretty certain there was one where the plastic guttering had been in place when they'd surveyed it for listing and as such had to be retained...

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Harsh. They're more of a government department aren't they? If they hadn't bought the house it wouldn't have been saved, and the nation would be a poorer place. Its a shame for us taxpayers that they lost so much money, but making a profit isn't their aim - preserving our country's architecture and history is their aim.

Preserving it for who?

The rich and powerful who originally extorted the land, money, cheap serf labour out of the UK public to build it?

They are obscene monuments to deprivation and elite extortion. Your 'Heritage' was a cleverly hid extortion, under threat of quick death by sword or gunshot by their local militia which were kept in every town.

They should be turned over to the people as Town Halls and well planned new towns should be built around them!

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Preserving it for who?

The rich and powerful who originally extorted the land, money, cheap serf labour out of the UK public to build it?

They are obscene monuments to deprivation and elite extortion. Your 'Heritage' was a cleverly hid extortion, under threat of quick death by sword or gunshot by their local militia which were kept in every town.

They should be turned over to the people as Town Halls and well planned new towns should be built around them!

"This is your heritage, a long time about a few power hungry b****ds who did favours for the King passed the Inclosure Acts and stole all the common land, they then ripped rents out of the plebs and used the money to build fine houses so the commoners knew who was boss. In the modern era we're continuing that fine tradition, using your taxes. Look but don't touch!"

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Preserving it for who?

The rich and powerful who originally extorted the land, money, cheap serf labour out of the UK public to build it?

They are obscene monuments to deprivation and elite extortion. Your 'Heritage' was a cleverly hid extortion, under threat of quick death by sword or gunshot by their local militia which were kept in every town.

They should be turned over to the people as Town Halls and well planned new towns should be built around them!

Bolsover castle.

* Tickets

* Adults: £7.40

* Children: £3.70

* Concessions: £6.30

* EH Member Cost: Free

* Family Ticket: £18.50

For just £44 a year, English Heritage members get free entry to our properties and exclusive discounts.

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/support-us/join/membership_prices/

Spose if you like looking at old buildings it makes sense to be a member...

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"This is your heritage, a long time about a few power hungry b****ds who did favours for the King passed the Inclosure Acts and stole all the common land, they then ripped rents out of the plebs and used the money to build fine houses so the commoners knew who was boss. In the modern era we're continuing that fine tradition, using your taxes. Look but don't touch!"

In many cases "Cap_ability Brown" was another destroyer of plebs properties!

In the course of recreating "paradise on earth" garden landscapes for the uber extortioners, Brown destroyed complete villages - coz it spoilt a 'vista' view up to the 'folly' from the main house!

Do you see the 'IRONY' in his (pyramid) 'Cap_abilities' (and is a witty piss-take by the landed gentry)

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Bolsover castle.

* Tickets

* Adults: £7.40

* Children: £3.70

* Concessions: £6.30

* EH Member Cost: Free

* Family Ticket: £18.50

For just £44 a year, English Heritage members get free entry to our properties and exclusive discounts.

http://www.english-h...bership_prices/

Spose if you like looking at old buildings it makes sense to be a member...

You can enter town halls free - and you have a citizens right to 'inspect' any department you desire!

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I liked the Leylandii dispute.

Name & Registered Office:

APETHORPE COUNTRY ESTATE LIMITED

Company No. 04298241

Case Number: 1

Case Type: Compulsory Liquidation

Practitioner name: GREEN, ELLIOTT H

Practitioner address: OURY CLARK

HERSCHEL HOUSE

58 HERSCHEL STREET

SLOUGH BERKSHIRE

SL1 1PG

Practitioner name: OR LONDON, THE OFFICIAL RECEIVER

Practitioner address: 21 BLOOMSBURY STREET

LONDON

WC1B 3SS

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they'd rather have 4 done absolutely perfectly with the finest ancient artisan *****ery and let the other 6 left to rot to bits due to lack of funds.

You're probably right. There's a nice (but bog-standard, plain) Georgian townhouse for sale by me that I would actually buy if it wasn't for a Grade II listing. I can't bear the idea of someone telling me I can't put double-glazing in, or use Chinese slate on the roof instead of Welsh. And it appears fairly arbitrary as to what can and can't be done, which would do my head in.

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You're probably right. There's a nice (but bog-standard, plain) Georgian townhouse for sale by me that I would actually buy if it wasn't for a Grade II listing. I can't bear the idea of someone telling me I can't put double-glazing in, or use Chinese slate on the roof instead of Welsh. And it appears fairly arbitrary as to what can and can't be done, which would do my head in.

Yup, wouldn't consider a listed building or one in a conservation area.

Somebody on here said it was ok because you got to know the inspector, gave him a sherry and what not, and then he would bend the rules a bit.

Bend the rules on how you maintain your own house that you pay for that is. Um, no thanks.

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