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It's a PDF that opens in Acrobat 8. Version 5 reports an error with the file...

From here:

http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/publications/papers/view/-/id/891/

Sustainable Energy Security: Strategic Risks and Opportunities for Business

Chatham House-Lloyd's 360° Risk Insight White Paper

Antony Froggatt and Glada Lahn, June 2010

Read it cover to cover. Not bad. Outlines all the risks with peak oil - food, water, supply side, just in time, emerging economies, effects on manufacturing, etc, etc.

It's the one that came out in June and was talked about on R4, in the Telegraph, etc, etc. and on HPC too. But I'm not sure anyone posted the actual paper.

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Zipped here (>1Mb upload limit otherwise)

16720_0610_froggatt_lahn.zip

It's a PDF that opens in Acrobat 8. Version 5 reports an error with the file...

From here:

http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/publications/papers/view/-/id/891/

Sustainable Energy Security: Strategic Risks and Opportunities for Business

Chatham House-Lloyd's 360° Risk Insight White Paper

Antony Froggatt and Glada Lahn, June 2010

Read it cover to cover. Not bad. Outlines all the risks with peak oil - food, water, supply side, just in time, emerging economies, effects on manufacturing, etc, etc.

It's the one that came out in June and was talked about on R4, in the Telegraph, etc, etc. and on HPC too. But I'm not sure anyone posted the actual paper.

Does it say the world is running out of oil?

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Does it say the world is running out of oil?

It kind of does, yes. With the unkowns being things like Iraq productions and whether this really will reach 12mb/day.

Looks grim though.

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It kind of does, yes. With the unkowns being things like Iraq productions and whether this really will reach 12mb/day.

Looks grim though.

Did you see this?

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You have the 2nd highest tidal range in the world in the Severn Estuary, other sites too for large hydro dam projects.

Get on with it.

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One good graphic deserves another...

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Oh hell that doesn't look good. That said these wouldn't take on China, so assume it'll all go to the Chinese anyway.

I went across the Mekong yesterday. Terrific river.

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Did you see this?

You have the 2nd highest tidal range in the world in the Severn Estuary, other sites too for large hydro dam projects.

Get on with it.

It's one of the many charges against the Blair/Brown govt - that they sat on their hands playing 'lets get an historical 3rd term' when they should have been commisioning a generation of new nukes (a vote loser) back in the early/mid noughties, and getting on with renewables like the Severn barrage and tidal lagoons. Too little, too late, and now we're skint....

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It's one of the many charges against the Blair/Brown govt - that they sat on their hands playing 'lets get an historical 3rd term' when they should have been commisioning a generation of new nukes (a vote loser) back in the early/mid noughties, and getting on with renewables like the Severn barrage and tidal lagoons. Too little, too late, and now we're skint....

No you're not skint. You've probably got sufficient internal resource to build all this lot.

It's not as though you've got anything better to do right now, may as well just get on with it.

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No you're not skint. You've probably got sufficient internal resource to build all this lot.

It's not as though you've got anything better to do right now, may as well just get on with it.

We've also got the highest wind potential in Europe. People just don't believe it can be put to work without harming the environment, unlike open-cast mining and thousand-year nuclear waste.:angry:

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No you're not skint. You've probably got sufficient internal resource to build all this lot.

It's not as though you've got anything better to do right now, may as well just get on with it.

We've got wishy-washy LibDems in power who don't like anything other than wind power.

We're fu*ked!:lol:

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Cheap peek oil IS here, but we got sometime till we are out of idea's

Coal to liquid

Gas to Liquid

Tar Sands

But expect the price to climb from here

Mike

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The problem is infrastructure, it will take too long to build fossil replacements. There are still fossil reserves out there and plenty of it, but to get at it is taking increasing larger amount of said fossil reserves. We will have to create unbelievably bigger quantities of CO2 in order to get a smaller and smaller amount of fossil based energy. We had one crack at using the easy reserves we had, we chose to make stuff and get rich with it instead of looking to the future.

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I'm glad Brunel thought like recent and present governments. It's a good job the bankers and tree huggers stopped him from building all that he did, it would have been an economic and environmental disaster!

You'd be amazed at the pace of construction of these projects and how fast they'd come on line. Something is better than nothing.

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Britain has not been very good at planning for the future.

Like the US has a great road system - and decent airports.

Europe puts us to shame.

Our politicians have not had to balls to do anything that is remotely controversial - except go to war - but that was for oil so it's ok.

What do you expect from 13 years of Media management.

More time was spent spinning over the cracks than sorting out the big problems in the UK - terrible trains, unaffordable living costs, a future energy crunch.

I live in Aberdeen - the Oil and Gas capital of Europe.

Well - compared to other oil cities I've been to, Aberdeen is by far the worst.

At some point the oil will be gone and there is little incentive for oil companies to stick around and doing their R&D there.

In the 1970's there were shipyards in Aberdeen - the oil came and they shutdown.

Now all the ships are built abroad.

Ships come in all different shapes and sizes - and Aberdeen could have been a centre of excellence for Naval Architecture - but it's not.

Aberdeen feels almost like it is being raped by the UK for the North Sea oil and once it's done it will be tossed aside and allowed to die, just like Dundee and a whole load of other cities in the UK.

Peak oil? Without a doubt.

One big thing is that all the oil is owned by people who aren't in the UK - Saudi, Russian, Iran etc...

It would be ok if you produced high-tech stuff - but we don't really - we could have if we had have targeted our efforts.

You should see the range of Norwegian companies in the oil and gas industry - these guys had their heads screwed on.

I've believed for a long time that the UK is screwed and the last years of HPC have only done damage to the country - instead of using our wealth for wealth creation we just spent it on wealth transfer - and buying cheap chinese tat.

Grrr....

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Britain has not been very good at planning for the future.

Like the US has a great road system - and decent airports.

Europe puts us to shame.

Our politicians have not had to balls to do anything that is remotely controversial - except go to war - but that was for oil so it's ok.

What do you expect from 13 years of Media management.

More time was spent spinning over the cracks than sorting out the big problems in the UK - terrible trains, unaffordable living costs, a future energy crunch.

I live in Aberdeen - the Oil and Gas capital of Europe.

Well - compared to other oil cities I've been to, Aberdeen is by far the worst.

At some point the oil will be gone and there is little incentive for oil companies to stick around and doing their R&D there.

In the 1970's there were shipyards in Aberdeen - the oil came and they shutdown.

Now all the ships are built abroad.

Ships come in all different shapes and sizes - and Aberdeen could have been a centre of excellence for Naval Architecture - but it's not.

Aberdeen feels almost like it is being raped by the UK for the North Sea oil and once it's done it will be tossed aside and allowed to die, just like Dundee and a whole load of other cities in the UK.

Peak oil? Without a doubt.

One big thing is that all the oil is owned by people who aren't in the UK - Saudi, Russian, Iran etc...

It would be ok if you produced high-tech stuff - but we don't really - we could have if we had have targeted our efforts.

You should see the range of Norwegian companies in the oil and gas industry - these guys had their heads screwed on.

I've believed for a long time that the UK is screwed and the last years of HPC have only done damage to the country - instead of using our wealth for wealth creation we just spent it on wealth transfer - and buying cheap chinese tat.

Grrr....

Complacency . . . standing on the shoulders of giants (Victorians).

Not that anyone was really interested, but have a look at this.

Barrage thread

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Never mind Peak Oil fortunes will be made in the next ten years with Peak Coal.

Power-hungry India seeks coal reserves

MATT WADE, NEW DELHI

August 2, 2010

POWER stations are a symbol of how rapidly India's economy is expanding. When Credit Suisse analyst Sanjay Mookim counted coming coal-fired power projects throughout the country last month, his tally came to 86. At least 29 were already under construction and another 28 were at the development stage, awaiting government approvals. Another 50 hydro-electric power projects are planned over the next decade and 16 new nuclear power plants are in the pipeline, although most of them won't operate until after 2020. Mr Mookim's count shows the Indian power sector will be heavily reliant on coal for decades to come. At the same time, India's steel industry, also dependent on coal, is expected to treble its output within a decade.

But there is growing concern about where all the coal is going to come from. India has significant coal reserves suitable for power generation and boasts the world's biggest coal company - the government-owned Coal India Limited. But the expansion of the Indian economy has been so rapid, demand is outstripping domestic supply. There are similar worries about the nation's future supply of oil.

Full story here

http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/powerhungry-india-seeks-coal-reserves-20100801-111de.html

Chindia are fools

Instead of playing the long waiting game and forging their own paths to economic and fuel development, they've gone for the short sprint of copying our mistakes and stepping on the same rakes.

They should be the ones pioneering sustainable energy and agricultural policies, not trying to out-compete everyone else for finite assets and short term gain. They can capture and horde all the remaining energy resources left as far as I’m concerned, as eventually it will all run out (and fast at their rates of demand). By then the rest of the world will be forced to move on and develop without fossil fuels, probably leaving the economies of the old oil era behind them. The sooner we seriously start to look beyond oil and coal the better.

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We've got wishy-washy LibDems in power who don't like anything other than wind power.

We're fu*ked!:lol:

It would seem it was the yellow ones who flushed the £80m loan Mandelson had agreed for Forgemasters to built a 15KT press.

The irony is there is that there is a growing waiting list for large reactors. Forgemasters have the skills base to construct them. At the same time the Conservatives are talking about an export led recovery (with what) whilst pulling the carpet from underneath one of our export competitive manufacturers.

Unlike the banksters bailouts the government would have earned 3.5% interest on the loan and helped generate large export income / negated the need for the UK to import reactors

UK 3rd Gen Nuclear programme - RIP

Complete fookwits. Glad I am am leaving the UK in 69 days. Just worried about my parents shivering in the dark circa 2015 :angry:

Edited by Kurt Barlow

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Chindia are fools

Instead of playing the long waiting game and forging their own paths to economic and fuel development, they've gone for the short sprint of copying our mistakes and stepping on the same rakes.

They should be the ones pioneering sustainable energy and agricultural policies, not trying to out-compete everyone else for finite assets and short term gain. They can capture and horde all the remaining energy resources left as far as I’m concerned, as eventually it will all run out (and fast at their rates of demand). By then the rest of the world will be forced to move on and develop without fossil fuels, probably leaving the economies of the old oil era behind them. The sooner we seriously start to look beyond oil and coal the better.

I do agree with this. China's oil imports topped an annual consumption rate of 9 million barrels a day earlier this year. Although they might be stock piling, it means their economy turns over $500 of GDP per barrel of oil - the least energy efficient in the world.

When peak oil supply hits, they really, really are toast. But maybe they're going all-out for a debt-fuelled boom and to have the high inflation rates caused by a supply-side oil crunch wipe them out, like the Americans? Only of course, the Americans are planning to wipe out their entire empire with it.

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