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Nearly 100,000 new homes must be built every year for immigrants
Last updated at 6:18 AM on 29th July 2010
Nearly 100,000 new homes must be built every year just to provide housing for immigrants, ministers disclosed yesterday.
Four out of every ten new houses or flats built to cope with the rising population will go to a migrant, they said.
Over a 25-year period, immigrants will require 2.5million extra homes unless the Government meets its pledges to bring about a major reduction in numbers arriv ing to live in Britain.

With immigration unstoppable it is possible that the government will have to accede to the inevitable and see it as one way to stabilise the economy which is heavily dependent on HPI to keep the plates spinning. The fact that we have seen virtually no fall out from the Brown bubble seems to suggest that continuing high house prices are holding everything together. It is nice to see small MOM drops as reported by NW but we should have had a 40-50% collapse by now as experienced in other bubble markets (US, IR, Spain etc.).

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Nearly 100,000 new homes must be built every year for immigrants
Last updated at 6:18 AM on 29th July 2010
Nearly 100,000 new homes must be built every year just to provide housing for immigrants, ministers disclosed yesterday.
Four out of every ten new houses or flats built to cope with the rising population will go to a migrant, they said.
Over a 25-year period, immigrants will require 2.5million extra homes unless the Government meets its pledges to bring about a major reduction in numbers arriv ing to live in Britain.

With immigration unstoppable it is possible that the government will have to accede to the inevitable and see it as one way to stabilise the economy which is heavily dependent on HPI to keep the plates spinning. The fact that we have seen virtually no fall out from the Brown bubble seems to suggest that continuing high house prices are holding everything together. It is nice to see small MOM drops as reported by NW but we should have had a 40-50% collapse by now as experienced in other bubble markets (US, IR, Spain etc.).

immigration is easily stoppable

Have an economic depression, create high poverty you get high emmigration and voila job done, if immigration is someones biggest bugbear then Gordon and Maggie et all have played a blinder for the next 10 years

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wot? you mean that residents are forced to pay more than they have to for immigrants...and 100,000 homes means thats about half a million incoming every year..

this is theft.

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Nearly 100,000 new homes must be built every year for immigrants
Last updated at 6:18 AM on 29th July 2010
Nearly 100,000 new homes must be built every year just to provide housing for immigrants, ministers disclosed yesterday.
Four out of every ten new houses or flats built to cope with the rising population will go to a migrant, they said.
Over a 25-year period, immigrants will require 2.5million extra homes unless the Government meets its pledges to bring about a major reduction in numbers arriv ing to live in Britain.

With immigration unstoppable it is possible that the government will have to accede to the inevitable and see it as one way to stabilise the economy which is heavily dependent on HPI to keep the plates spinning. The fact that we have seen virtually no fall out from the Brown bubble seems to suggest that continuing high house prices are holding everything together. It is nice to see small MOM drops as reported by NW but we should have had a 40-50% collapse by now as experienced in other bubble markets (US, IR, Spain etc.).

RB, the "estimates" were "prepared" (finished) in March 2009. Can you guestimate how long a government bureaucracy takes to work these things out? And then how old were the data? Net immigration had been very strongly from 2004-08, and all projections made then were scary. But net immigration is falling fast, and is probably reaching zero around now. Those estimates are wrong. Very wrong. Try to check new fresh data about net immigration. Soon your concerns for the next decades will be the correct one: population decline.

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RB, the "estimates" were "prepared" (finished) in March 2009. Can you guestimate how long a government bureaucracy takes to work these things out? And then how old were the data? Net immigration had been very strongly from 2004-08, and all projections made then were scary. But net immigration is falling fast, and is probably reaching zero around now. Those estimates are wrong. Very wrong. Try to check new fresh data about net immigration. Soon your concerns for the next decades will be the correct one: population decline.

letshope you are right.

the gangs of dark tanned youths are still very much in evidence at Calais....the clever ones or those with the cash make their way via other means.

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wot? you mean that residents are forced to pay more than they have to for immigrants...and 100,000 homes means thats about half a million incoming every year..

this is theft.

BL, the most recent numbers for Net migration I found at the ONS were

2007: 233,000

2008: 163,000

It was already falling. Imagine now.

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It may be a cloud with a silver lining. Read somewhere that indigenous Brits are leaving at a rapid rate to be replaced with immigrants leading to almost no net gain. Another plus is that the immigrants are from poorer nations and asylum cases which means they cannot afford our grossly distorted prices. Thus, if there is really no increase in population the housing market can only be kept going by the government extending subsidies to house all the immigrants. This will in itself maintain high demand by protecting the higher end of the range as the chains are kept fed from the bottom.

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BL, the most recent numbers for Net migration I found at the ONS were

2007: 233,000

2008: 163,000

It was already falling. Imagine now.

thats still a months supply of houses required....1 twelfth of those for sale.

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wot? you mean that residents are forced to pay more than they have to for immigrants...and 100,000 homes means thats about half a million incoming every year..

this is theft.

That is a good description, immigration is theft...its a game that no-one wins and which has no significant societal advantages (except to the very wealthy obvioulsly): for the host country its a theft of resources (i.e health, education) for which long term residents have paid, a theft jobs in absolute terms and in working conditions and wages, its also a form of cultural theft as the host country has to water down its own values to "integrate" the immigrant communities: for the country supplying the immigrants, immigration represents a massive theft of human resource as wealthy countries parasitise their labour pool.

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It may be a cloud with a silver lining. Read somewhere that indigenous Brits are leaving at a rapid rate to be replaced with immigrants leading to almost no net gain. Another plus is that the immigrants are from poorer nations and asylum cases which means they cannot afford our grossly distorted prices.

Actually these emigrating/immigrating numbers have no relation to nationalities.

All UK citizens coming back to Britain are counted as "immigrants" in those figures.

Similarly, all foreigners going back home are counted as emigrants.

Thus, if there is really no increase in population the housing market can only be kept going by the government extending subsidies to house all the immigrants. This will in itself maintain high demand by protecting the higher end of the range as the chains are kept fed from the bottom.

Sorry, but the average income of immigrants is a little higher than the natives' average. You are thinking about poor asylum seekers in Calais. That is a very distorting image.

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Actually these emigrating/immigrating numbers have no relation to nationalities.

All UK citizens coming back to Britain are counted as "immigrants" in those figures.

Similarly, all foreigners going back home are counted as emigrants.

Sorry, but the average income of immigrants is a little higher than the natives' average. You are thinking about poor asylum seekers in Calais. That is a very distorting image.

You may be right, but that sounds an extremely dubious statistic, do you have a source...re the income bit that is.

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Actually these emigrating/immigrating numbers have no relation to nationalities.

All UK citizens coming back to Britain are counted as "immigrants" in those figures.

Similarly, all foreigners going back home are counted as emigrants.

Sorry, but the average income of immigrants is a little higher than the natives' average. You are thinking about poor asylum seekers in Calais. That is a very distorting image.

thats interesting...I wondered what those young Yoofs were doing counting cars at the ferry ports.

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You may be right, but that sounds an extremely dubious statistic, do you have a source...re the income bit that is.

Indeed. With no decent jobs on offer here why would skilled people come here? To enjoy our house prices and austerity package? IIRC most are younger professionals that are leaving and many qualify for NZ and OZ who set standards for immigration. We are still taking in anyone with a EU passport and it does seem we are a soft target for those who need cheap government housing.

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thats interesting...I wondered what those young Yoofs were doing counting cars at the ferry ports.

Come on Bloo Loo. Those at Sangatte are not the typical, average immigrant to the UK. You must know that.

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You may be right, but that sounds an extremely dubious statistic, do you have a source...re the income bit that is.

LINK: www.econ.ucl.ac.uk/cream/pages/CDP/CDP_18_09.pdf

Some months ago I found some info about the immigrants from eastern Europe, from the Department of Economics at University College London showing that:

"in 2008-09 they totalled 0.91% of the population, and accounted for 0.96% of total government revenues." And that: "Immigrants accounted for a smaller share in government spending than their share of the population (for example 0.6% in 2008-09, which is far below their share in the overall population of 0.91%). Therefore, overall A8 immigrants made a net contribution to public finances."

(This "A8" means the 8 new Accession Countries.)

The researchers think that the main cause is that these immigrants "have a higher labour market attachment than natives with a labour market participation rate of 95% for men (83% among natives) and 80% for women (75% among natives)."

And they think that the deeper reason is that this immigrant population has higher average education than the native population: "We assign to the category "low education" all individuals who left full time education at 16 or earlier, the category "intermediate education" to all individuals who left full time education between the age of 17 and 20, and finally "high education" to all individuals who left full time education aged 21 or over. According to this classification, 32% of A8 men and 40% of A8 women are highly educated, while only 18% of native men and 16% of native women fall in this category. Conversely, the share of A8 migrants with a low education is around five times smaller than that of natives."

LINK: www.econ.ucl.ac.uk/cream/pages/CDP/CDP_18_09.pdf

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That is a good description, immigration is theft...its a game that no-one wins and which has no significant societal advantages (except to the very wealthy obvioulsly): for the host country its a theft of resources (i.e health, education) for which long term residents have paid, a theft jobs in absolute terms and in working conditions and wages, its also a form of cultural theft as the host country has to water down its own values to "integrate" the immigrant communities: for the country supplying the immigrants, immigration represents a massive theft of human resource as wealthy countries parasitise their labour pool.

Agree 100%

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Indeed. With no decent jobs on offer here why would skilled people come here? To enjoy our house prices and austerity package? IIRC most are younger professionals that are leaving and many qualify for NZ and OZ who set standards for immigration. We are still taking in anyone with a EU passport and it does seem we are a soft target for those who need cheap government housing.

Please see my reply to him, above, post #17. Cheers.

Now, try to be a "realist" on migration also. But you will need to look at reliable data first, from reliable sources, such as the research I linked above, instead of just believing in the Daily Mail uncritically. Or, worse, allowing Sangatte's photos and images to represent "immigration" in your head.

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Come on Bloo Loo. Those at Sangatte are not the typical, average immigrant to the UK. You must know that.

But as work dries up for the average ones - then the only ones coming will be the ones who are desperate.

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Unless these 100k immigrants are going to make a net contribution to the UK, the UK will simply be the snake eating it's own tail.

Either way, the far right will take care of it or the UK will become an economic basket case. This is not wishful thinking..... this is inevitable.

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Unless these 100k immigrants are going to make a net contribution to the UK, the UK will simply be the snake eating it's own tail.

Either way, the far right will take care of it or the UK will become an economic basket case. This is not wishful thinking..... this is inevitable.

I cannot see how the government can stop immigration unless there was a massive revision of current laws. Marriages of convenience are rife and student visas are flying off the shelves. There is little border control and every EU citizen and most asylum seekers have an automatic right of abode. If the government have no will to change the laws they should at least provide housing for the new arrivals and offer them money on which to live.

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I cannot see how the government can stop immigration unless there was a massive revision of current laws. Marriages of convenience are rife and student visas are flying off the shelves. There is little border control and every EU citizen and most asylum seekers have an automatic right of abode. If the government have no will to change the laws they should at least provide housing for the new arrivals and offer them money on which to live.

But "the government" in the end is the rest of us.

"Should" we have to provide housing and living expenses for whoever shows up here? I don't want to, I never voted for this.....

Wonder why all these people are turning up when the economy is doing badly? Because they are coming from sh1tholes so awful that even life on handouts and a bit of casual work is way better than what they have left.

If we keep offering handouts, they will keep coming. Simple as.

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LINK: www.econ.ucl.ac.uk/cream/pages/CDP/CDP_18_09.pdf

I'm afraid this does not prove that immigrants earn more than natives, its about as reliable as statistics proving global warming:

1. It relates only to workers arriving from the new EU states, not all immigrants from all countries, thus not "immigrants" as a whole

and particularly not those here illegally or here legally but working illegaly (i.e on student visas).

2. The report does not actually say "immigrants on average earn slightly more" than local workers, which is what you said. It says

they contribute more in tax revenue than the average and use public services less..but this relates to their first year in the country only,

I think you'll fimnd that the numbers shift radically in the second and third years when their wives and kids join them...

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immigration is easily stoppable

Have an economic depression, create high poverty you get high emmigration and voila job done, if immigration is someones biggest bugbear then Gordon and Maggie et all have played a blinder for the next 10 years

history shows that a recession has the opposite effect. Many migrants come very the third world

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