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Spent all day trying fathom WHY BP is pissing around with this "Cap"........it makes no sense......untill you find that.............

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0715/leak-tests-halted-cover-flow-rates/

Mike

Way more to this story than we are allowed to know.

There is potential for a leak from drill paths beneath the sea floor if the existing pressure escape point is capped.

This could occur miles away from the riser itself.

Mother Earth bites back.

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spent all day trying fathom WHY BP is pissing around with this "Cap"........it makes no sense......untill you find that.............

http://rawstory.com/...ver-flow-rates/

Mike

cast doubt on BP's explanation for why the cap was necessary in the first place.

Well yes. We've got a massive oil leak, we scream at BP that they should just do something, every day we accuse them of gross incompetence, criminal negligence, dangerous cost-cutting...

And then one day they block the leak!

I too wonder why are they pissing around stopping the leak.

:rolleyes:

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According to research from 7 years ago there are tar volcanoes under the gulf, which would explain why the 'oil' escaping is not really oil but more like tar:

http://geology.about.com/cs/volcanology/a/aa051604a.htm

While volcanism is common under the sea, nobody dreamed that in some places, vents erupt not lava but asphalt. That's what a 2003 research expedition found in the Gulf of Mexico on a seafloor hill the scientists named Chapopote, the Mexican Spanish name for tar. It's the world's first known asphalt volcano. There are more being found all the time.

The geologic setting at the site, west of the Yucatán in 3000 meters of water, is a field of salt domes called the Campeche Knolls. These tall, steep hills grow as ductile salt bodies rise into the overlying seafloor rocks; as is common around the Gulf, oil and gas leak upward with the salt.

The Asphalt Volcano Locality

The researchers, a team led by Ian MacDonald of Texas A&M University's Corpus Christi campus, dangled a remote-controlled camera off the German ship RV Sonne to the seafloor far below. Even with this short-range visual instrument they documented one square kilometer of tar flows, some of them 20 meters across.

Are There More Asphalt Volcanoes?

Surely there's a lot more asphalt in the Campeche Knolls and elsewhere. In fact MacDonald, in the 14 May 2004 Science, pointed out that tar flows had been photographed 200 km to the north of Chapopote in 1971. He suggested that others might locate more occurrences by doing what his team did: looking for oil slicks in satellite images of the sea surface.

All this makes the following article believeable at least to a point, i.e. it could quite possibly be that BP drilled into a under-water tar-volcano, not an oil well at all:

http://bphoax.com/the-event/its-an-illusion/

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According to research from 7 years ago there are tar volcanoes under the gulf, which would explain why the 'oil' escaping is not really oil but more like tar:

http://geology.about.com/cs/volcanology/a/aa051604a.htm

All this makes the following article believeable at least to a point, i.e. it could quite possibly be that BP drilled into a under-water tar-volcano, not an oil well at all:

http://bphoax.com/the-event/its-an-illusion/

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Is tar flammable?

They seemed to have no problem igniting the collected oil or whatever it is.

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Is tar flammable?

They seemed to have no problem igniting the collected oil or whatever it is.

If anyones that bothered, might have a look round the EPA web pages for the GOM monitoring. Looking for any product analysis, GC-FID fingerprinting and banded Aliphatic/Aromatic splits. Soon find out the tar content and compare it to normal GOM crude.

It is possible to determine if the tin foil hat conspiracy stuff is nonsense quite easily.

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If anyones that bothered, might have a look round the EPA web pages for the GOM monitoring. Looking for any product analysis, GC-FID fingerprinting and banded Aliphatic/Aromatic splits. Soon find out the tar content and compare it to normal GOM crude.

It is possible to determine if the tin foil hat conspiracy stuff is nonsense quite easily.

according to that article, the whole delay is a conspiracy to prove that much less oil leaked than it did.

well, first, no-one knows how much got out before, and 2 the article is nonsense. It has about as much logic as a government finance policy.

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according to that article, the whole delay is a conspiracy to prove that much less oil leaked than it did.

well, first, no-one knows how much got out before, and 2 the article is nonsense. It has about as much logic as a government finance policy.

The politics of spills. (If there was a 'losing the will to live' emoticon . . . )

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"I don't understand this whole operation," Cavnar stated. "Sunday was the first time I heard the words 'well integrity test.'

Then he's not much of an "Oil industry expert" then, is he. :rolleyes:

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"I don't understand this whole operation," Cavnar stated. "Sunday was the first time I heard the words 'well integrity test.'

Then he's not much of an "Oil industry expert" then, is he. :rolleyes:

im just a little lost here.

the well is capped.

the pressure is beyond human comprehension, and we are in experimental mode.

then they want to test it some more???? how...more pressure? have Jediddiah ram an SUV into the bung? WTF???

If I was them, Id be building a 50 ft diameter mould 30 ft high, then Id be pouring concrete around the damn thing, entombing it forever.

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im just a little lost here.

the well is capped.

the pressure is beyond human comprehension, and we are in experimental mode.

then they want to test it some more???? how...more pressure? have Jediddiah ram an SUV into the bung? WTF???

If I was them, Id be building a 50 ft diameter mould 30 ft high, then Id be pouring concrete around the damn thing, entombing it forever.

They're monitoring the pressures, if it drops significantly it's bad news, it means the well has sprung a leak elsewhere, probably in the sub sea well casing, if the high pressure holds then it means the well is successfully shut in. The well head doesn't need to be entombed, they'll do that to the well once a relief well can pour concrete the length of the lining.

Is the 'expert' Matt Simmons still talking shit about the BOP and well head being blown off 200m from where they should be? :lol:

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They're monitoring the pressures, if it drops significantly it's bad news, it means the well has sprung a leak elsewhere, probably in the sub sea well casing, if the high pressure holds then it means the well is successfully shut in. The well head doesn't need to be entombed, they'll do that to the well once a relief well can pour concrete the length of the lining.

Is the 'expert' Matt Simmons still talking shit about the BOP and well head being blown off 200m from where they should be? :lol:

Ta, so they are NOT testing the bung as the conspiracy people would say....there is no logic to that theory and your explanation provides logic.

They are in fact, trying to deduce the state of the downline....

the article also says that instead of doing this, BP should concentrate on the relief wells....that struck me as odd, as Im pretty sure BP didnt for one second stop the drilling on the other wells....such one dimensional thinking.

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Ta, so they are NOT testing the bung as the conspiracy people would say....there is no logic to that theory and your explanation provides logic.

They are in fact, trying to deduce the state of the downline....

the article also says that instead of doing this, BP should concentrate on the relief wells....that struck me as odd, as Im pretty sure BP didnt for one second stop the drilling on the other wells....such one dimensional thinking.

Yes, they're doing the same sort of testing they do on a new gas main, it's not about the 'bung'.

The relief wells are going full throttle and are ahead of schedule, their crews are unaffected by whatever operations they're doing on the well head, though intersecting the original well is a difficult task so it would be nice if the pressure was off (as in public pressure) and they could take their time with that task.

I have a very low opinion of these so called "experts" now, their hyperbole and hysteria will bite them in the ass later on when it comes to their credibility, I wonder if Matt Simmons views on peak oil are also based on fairy tales.

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Yes, they're doing the same sort of testing they do on a new gas main, it's not about the 'bung'.

The relief wells are going full throttle and are ahead of schedule, their crews are unaffected by whatever operations they're doing on the well head, though intersecting the original well is a difficult task so it would be nice if the pressure was off (as in public pressure) and they could take their time with that task.

I have a very low opinion of these so called "experts" now, their hyperbole and hysteria will bite them in the ass later on when it comes to their credibility, I wonder if Matt Simmons views on peak oil are also based on fairy tales.

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To be fair BP doesn't want any sort of accurate figure to the flow rate and the longer it remains capped no oil is leaking they are saying tens of millions in fines.

The US govt is short of cash and clearly would like oil gushing into the gulf as they can claim negligence and up the fine.

Sadly all of this will revolve around money.

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To be fair BP doesn't want any sort of accurate figure to the flow rate and the longer it remains capped no oil is leaking they are saying tens of millions in fines.

The US govt is short of cash and clearly would like oil gushing into the gulf as they can claim negligence and up the fine.

Sadly all of this will revolve around money.

We're beyond that, if you spill just one barrel in the most litigious country on earth then you're already f****d. Everyone is agreed it will cost them a fortune and the billions wiped off their market cap reflect that, everyone now just wants the oil stopped.

The media discourse in public life in the US is pretty poisonous, it revolves around paranoia and hysteria, and everyone likes to pretend they have some secret inside skinny on every issue that the bad guys don't want you to hear. However, the issue here is pretty clear, a load of people, regulators, processes and equipment f****d up and now everyone is doing all they can to get it stopped. And why are they drilling 1 mile under the ocean to begin with? Because US public also cry like babies when petrol goes above $2.50 a gallon.

A few weeks ago the paranoid rambling were along the lines of "they can stop the flow if they wanted, but they want to sell the oil for $70, they're keeping it going", now the same people are upset that the well is shut in. :rolleyes:

I'm sure there really are some pretty dark conspiracies and cabals out there, mainly on the Federal Reserve balance sheet, and you won't know about them by watching the news channels, but this GoM disaster is painfully transparent. It's an ill wind that blows nobody any good, though Obama is acting like some kind of Manchurian Candidate for OPEC with his drilling bans.

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the pressure is beyond human comprehension, and we are in experimental mode.

Hardly... any engineering company that uses hydraulics to run machinery typically operates at 200 bar (with the pumps running up to 300 bar). This is moved around machinery using metal/rubber hosing that is no more than 2 inches diameter, and can be capped with metal fittings that you can hold in a closed hand. The GOM cap seems to be around 480 bar, so only double what is normally used on machinery. 480 bar is nothing for the cap etc, it is the porous rock around the well that might be the problem, but still is very likely to be fine IMO.

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This article was posted on Google News a few days ago........ and ridiculed by most. But it may partially becoming true.

http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event

Cracks and bulges

Methane is now streaming through the porous, rocky seabed at an accelerated rate and gushing from the borehole of the first relief well. The EPA is on record that Rig #1 is releasing methane, benzene, hydrogen sulfide and other toxic gases. Workers there now wear advanced protection including state-of-the-art, military-issued gas masks.

Reports, filtering through from oceanologists and salvage workers in the region, state that the upper level strata of the ocean floor is succumbing to greater and greater pressure. That pressure is causing a huge expanse of the seabed-estimated by some as spreading over thousands of square miles surrounding the BP wellhead-to bulge. Some claim the seabed in the region has risen an astounding 30 feet.

The fractured BP wellhead, site of the former Deepwater Horizon, has become the epicenter of frenetic attempts to quell the monstrous flow of methane.

The subterranean methane is pressurized at 100,000 pounds psi. According to Matt Simmons, an oil industry expert, the methane pressure at the wellhead has now skyrocketed to a terrifying 40,000 pounds psi.

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This article was posted on Google News a few days ago........ and ridiculed by most. But it may partially becoming true.

http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event

"The bottom line: BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling operation may have triggered an irreversible, cascading geological Apocalypse that will culminate with the first mass extinction of life on Earth in many millions of years."

The Paranoid Style in American Politics :-

" The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms — he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization... he does not see social conflict as something to be mediated and compromised, in the manner of the working politician. Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish. Since the enemy is thought of as being totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be totally eliminated — if not from the world, at least from the theatre of operations to which the paranoid directs his attention. This demand for total triumph leads to the formulation of hopelessly unrealistic goals, and since these goals are not even remotely attainable, failure constantly heightens the paranoid’s sense of frustration. Even partial success leaves him with the same feeling of powerlessness with which he began, and this in turn only strengthens his awareness of the vast and terrifying quality of the enemy he opposes."

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It's just a well, the same as Ixtoc I and every other ugly blow out in history, they haven't drilled into some underworld of unending doom, it'll be fixed by this time next month. Don't worry, the Earth will still be here too. B)

Now, this is news :-

China now world's biggest energy user

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FWIW, here's the latest from the oil drum.

The problem is that there are all kinds of natural leaks in the area already, plus in theory bacteria decomposing something down in the mud could also produce methane. It does look rather as though we've still managed to not crack open the planet's crust and kill everything though. :rolleyes:

The latest seems to be that they may have another crack at doing a top kill, now that the well's shut in.

It may also be the case that if BP opens the well to the sea again then they could be breaking the law.

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This article was posted on Google News a few days ago........ and ridiculed by most. But it may partially becoming true.

http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event

Reports, filtering through from oceanologists and salvage workers in the region, state that the upper level strata of the ocean floor is succumbing to greater and greater pressure. That pressure is causing a huge expanse of the seabed-estimated by some as spreading over thousands of square miles surrounding the BP wellhead-to bulge. Some claim the seabed in the region has risen an astounding 30 feet.

:rolleyes:

Seems that taxi drivers are oceanologists and salvage workers nowadays.

Some people will believe simply anything.

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