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In a real casino in when playing, for example, roulette, one can see the ball fall and see the number and colour selected. Are online gaming sites bound to attempt to accurately mimic randomness, or are they allowed to use algorithms that are weighted, eg according to a run the end user may be having?

Do any sites declare the veracity of their random number selection, maybe by using something like an MD5 digital sig?

Anyone know?

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Its hardware based, using quantum randomness. The dotnet framework now has built in support for hardware random number generators as part of the System.Security.Cryptography namespace

http://en.wikipedia....umber_generator

However I suppose naughty sites could weight the result in there favour based on what has been placed...

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A 300Gb/s hardware random number generator has been made at the University of Israel.

Codenamed "Injin", it is believed that this RNG has already been deployed on the internet. Precise details are unknown, however.

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In a real casino in when playing, for example, roulette, one can see the ball fall and see the number and colour selected. Are online gaming sites bound to attempt to accurately mimic randomness, or are they allowed to use algorithms that are weighted, eg according to a run the end user may be having?

Do any sites declare the veracity of their random number selection, maybe by using something like an MD5 digital sig?

Anyone know?

If they are run in Britain then they have to be approved by the gambling commission:

http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/

Random number generatiom and game code is meant to be externally audited etc.

If they run out of some other jurisdiction...well, you pays your money and you take your chances...

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If they are run in Britain then they have to be approved by the gambling commission:

http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/

Random number generatiom and game code is meant to be externally audited etc.

If they run out of some other jurisdiction...well, you pays your money and you take your chances...

So I guess most/all of them operate outside of the UK including the ones that might use a UK Domain?

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At last! Something I know something about.

RNGs can be hardware or software based.

Ours are software-based.

Surprisingly, software-based ones are more reliable than hardware ones. I could tell some amusing stories about hardware RNGs going wrong (one repeatedly output the number 15 continuously).

They're not fiddled. At least, ours aren't. They're heavily audited.

Frankly, it's cheaper and simpler and safer to cream off the 1% or so on internet gaming transactions than try and rip off the punter. Punters seem to be very slow to take this on board.

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Frankly, it's cheaper and simpler and safer to cream off the 1% or so on internet gaming transactions than try and rip off the punter. Punters seem to be very slow to take this on board.

Exactly. I've had loads of arguments with folk claiming online poker is rigged. I find it's easiest to make such folk look daft by asking 2 questions:

1. is it rigged for everybody?

2. If it's not, why would a poker company target YOU

usually leaves them scratching their heads and pondering their paranoia.

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Any profitable gambling operation relies upon giving their punters the illusion that they are on to something - which is done by ensuring that, over time, they lose only very slightly more than they win.

In other words, there's absolutely nothing to be gained by trying to operate a gambling operation based on unfair probability - your edge has to be outside of the random element, for example the zero house edge in roulette; and the knowledge edge in bookmaking.

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RNGs can be hardware or software based.

Ours are software-based.

I should caveat that: it's software based in the sense that no additional hardware is required (a dongle or some such).

Rather, hardware that emits effectively random data is polled, producing a pool of random numbers which are then drawn from.

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am i missing something here ?

why do they need to fix anything?

isnt that what the number 0 is for?

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am i missing something here ?

why do they need to fix anything?

isnt that what the number 0 is for?

Yeah no need to fix anything.... BUT if you know where people are placing there chips you can make even more money controlling where the wheel ends, you can calculate the lowest payout after the chips are down and then make the ball land on the spot you want...

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Exactly. I've had loads of arguments with folk claiming online poker is rigged. I find it's easiest to make such folk look daft by asking 2 questions:

1. is it rigged for everybody?

2. If it's not, why would a poker company target YOU

usually leaves them scratching their heads and pondering their paranoia.

Online poker appears rigged to losing poker players, because see more hands, and lose money at a faster rate. Try telling Chris Moorman that online poker is rigged.

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Yeah no need to fix anything.... BUT if you know where people are placing there chips you can make even more money controlling where the wheel ends, you can calculate the lowest payout after the chips are down and then make the ball land on the spot you want...

there is no ball.

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Yeah no need to fix anything.... BUT if you know where people are placing there chips you can make even more money controlling where the wheel ends, you can calculate the lowest payout after the chips are down and then make the ball land on the spot you want...

That's the domain of investment banking, not online gambling sites.

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Yeah no need to fix anything.... BUT if you know where people are placing there chips you can make even more money controlling where the wheel ends, you can calculate the lowest payout after the chips are down and then make the ball land on the spot you want...

... and customer gets pissed off and leaves the site.

Why would you want to keep playing if you keep losing? The golden rule of all casinos is to keep the punters playing for as long as possible with a margin. Over the long term you will win.

Auditors would quite possibly spot it, too.

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At last! Something I know something about.

RNGs can be hardware or software based.

Ours are software-based.

Surprisingly, software-based ones are more reliable than hardware ones. I could tell some amusing stories about hardware RNGs going wrong (one repeatedly output the number 15 continuously).

They're not fiddled. At least, ours aren't. They're heavily audited.

Frankly, it's cheaper and simpler and safer to cream off the 1% or so on internet gaming transactions than try and rip off the punter. Punters seem to be very slow to take this on board.

That's really useful - thanks. I'd wondered what software you were in. I'm interested to hear that they are heavily audited; is that true of all UK based sites?

In terms of punter paranoia, I suspect that may be because people are well aware that there would be little problem in software terms in building in that kind of functionality, but far less aware of the auditing procedure.

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That's really useful - thanks. I'd wondered what software you were in. I'm interested to hear that they are heavily audited; is that true of all UK based sites?

Can't speak for all of them - but we do most of the big ones and they do for the software we provide.

In terms of punter paranoia, I suspect that may be because people are well aware that there would be little problem in software terms in building in that kind of functionality, but far less aware of the auditing procedure.

I sometimes get to see the emails from end users when they complain about this; believe me, I don't think they think that deeply about it! Many of them are convinced that someone sits there trying to frustrate their gambling systems by hand.

It's quite hard to get an RNG right. IYI, this is quite an interesting example:

http://www.cigital.com/papers/download/developer_gambling.php

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