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I'm not sure about the gold bit but the rest (bartering, farm animals bred in towns, roads back to gravel) is definitely part of what I am in the process of modeling for the next 10, 15 years. I'm still surprised it is beginning now.

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/07/ron-paul-silver-ounces-accepted-at.html

Ron Paul Silver Ounces Accepted at Michigan Gas Station; Chiropractor Accepts Gold, Silver, Apple Pie; Back to the Stone Age; Chickens Invade Lansing

Here's four interesting ways businesses, private citizens, and counties are coping with the economic depression. The first is the most important one. Let's hope it catches on.

Gold, Silver, Copper, Freely Accepted as Money

Connect Mid-Michigan reports Competing currency being accepted across Mid-Michigan.

New types of money are popping up across Mid-Michigan and supporters say, it's not counterfeit, but rather a competing currency. Right now, you can buy a meal or visit a chiropractor without using actual U.S. legal tender.
They sound like real money and look like real money. But you can't take them to the bank because they're not made at a government mint. They're made at private mints.
"I sell three or four every single day and then I get one or two back a week," said Dave Gillie, owner of Gillies Coney Island Restaurant in Genesee Township.
Gillie also accepts silver, gold, copper and other precious metals to pay for food. He says, if he wanted to, he could accept marbles. He's absolutely right.
The U.S. Treasury Department says the Coinage Act of 1965 says "private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash, unless there is a state law which says otherwise."
That allows gas stations to say they don't accept 50- or $100 bills after a certain time of day in hopes of not getting robbed.
A chiropractic office in Lapeer County's Deerfield Township allows creativity when it comes to payment. "This establishment accepts any form of silver, gold, chicken, apple pie, if someone works it out with me," said Jeff Kotchounian of Deerfield Chiropractic. "I've taken many things."

Ron Paul Silver Ounces Accepted at Local Gas Station

I want to highlight one important sentence from the article.

Jeff Kotchounian says he's used this Ron Paul half troy ounce of silver to get $25 worth of gas from a local station.

New Types of Money?

The article calls this "new types of money". The phrase is incorrect. Historically, gold, silver, copper (but primarily gold) have always been money. Indeed, money is nothing more than a commodity used as a medium of exchange.

For a detailed discussion of money as a commodity as well as a discussion as to the proper amount of money, please see What is Money and How Does One Measure It?.

Furthermore, I would like to point out that money is what a free market would accept as money. In this regard, if a free market accepts gold as money (and the article shows that is happening), then gold is money, and no government decree can change that fact.

For further discussion of that point, please see Misconceptions about Gold

If the trend in Mid-Michigan escalates, expect government to step in and outlaw gold and silver transactions. However, that will not stop gold from being money. The key point being: money is what a free market decides it to be.

Those vendors in Michigan are operating (for now) as a free market. Government decree is decidedly not a free market.

Back to the Stone Age

In order to cope with rising costs of repaving roads, counties are tearing them up, converting them back to chip-and-seal sometimes known as "poor man's pavement", or even letting them deteriorate to gravel.

Please consider Roads to Ruin: Towns Rip Up the Pavement

A hulking yellow machine inched along Old Highway 10 here recently in a summer scene that seemed as normal as the nearby corn swaying in the breeze. But instead of laying a blanket of steaming blacktop, the machine was grinding the asphalt road into bits.
"When [counties] had lots of money, they paved a lot of the roads and tried to make life easier for the people who lived out here," said Stutsman County Highway Superintendant Mike Zimmerman, sifting the dusty black rubble through his fingers. "Now, it's catching up to them."
Outside this speck of a town, pop. 78, a 10-mile stretch of road had deteriorated to the point that residents reported seeing ducks floating in potholes, Mr. Zimmerman said. As the road wore out, the cost of repaving became too great. Last year, the county spent $400,000 on an RM300 Caterpillar rotary mixer to grind the road up, making it look more like the old homesteader trail it once was.
The moves have angered some residents because of the choking dust and windshield-cracking stones that gravel roads can kick up, not to mention the jarring "washboard" effect of driving on rutted gravel.
But higher taxes for road maintenance are equally unpopular. In June, Stutsman County residents rejected a measure that would have generated more money for roads by increasing property and sales taxes.
"I'd rather my kids drive on a gravel road than stick them with a big tax bill," said Bob Baumann, as he sipped a bottle of Coors Light at the Sportsman's Bar Café and Gas in Spiritwood.
Rebuilding an asphalt road today is particularly expensive because the price of asphalt cement, a petroleum-based material mixed with rocks to make asphalt, has more than doubled over the past 10 years. Gravel becomes a cheaper option once an asphalt road has been neglected for so long that major rehabilitation is necessary.
"A lot of these roads have just deteriorated to the point that they have no other choice than to turn them back to gravel," says Larry Galehouse, director of the National Center for Pavement Preservation at Michigan State University. Still, "we're leaving an awful legacy for future generations."

Unpaved Road List

  • Old Highway 10 in North Dakota.
  • In Michigan, at least 38 of the 83 counties have converted some asphalt roads to gravel in recent years.
  • Last year, South Dakota turned at least 100 miles of asphalt road surfaces to gravel.
  • Counties in Alabama and Pennsylvania have begun downgrading asphalt roads to cheaper chip-and-seal road, also known as "poor man's pavement."
  • Some counties in Ohio are simply letting roads erode to gravel.

"City-Fresh" Eggs and a Chicken in Every Pot

Tired of rising prices of eggs, or simply want "city-fresh" eggs that are organic and taste better?

Numerous cities across the country are letting residents raise chickens. Most of the ordinances outlaw slaughtering chickens, but will any cities enforce that? I doubt it.

Please consider Chickens set to invade Lansing

I remember distinctly one Easter season a dozen or so chickens made their way into my grandparents’ house. The chickens arrived by U.S Mail in a small box with little holes cut into it. My cousin Jackie and I played incessantly with the little yellow fuzz balls, and amazingly none of them died from over handling. Since it was still too cold for the chicks to be outside, they were diverted to a temporary home on a stair landing which led to the basement. My pinkeye, which kept me from kindergarten the day we did finger painting, was blamed on the critters. My art career never took off, but I still love fresh eggs and chicken legs.
That’s why I am looking forward to the chicken invasion in Lansing. Many cities across Michigan have changed city ordinances to allow the raising of hens in backyards. ...

There you have it, four distinctly different ways to cope with the depression: barter, unpaving roads, raising your own chickens, and most importantly - a return to real money at a number of Mid-Michigan businesses.

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Now I realise you're a clever chap, _w_, and well ahead of the likes of me.

But.

Have you ever had a bit of a squint at excavation reports on assessments in advance of development in almost any english town or city you might care to name?

Yar. See? The old black earth, 'tis.

Everywhere you might care to go. Carlisle to Canterbury. There it is.

I for one don't credit them sassanaich with actually running their plough-teams within the former civil precincts.

But what it truly represents I shudder to fathom.

The death of empires is never pretty.

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"A lot of these roads have just deteriorated to the point that they have no other choice than to turn them back to gravel," says Larry Galehouse, director of the National Center for Pavement Preservation at Michigan State University. Still, "we're leaving an awful legacy for future generations."

A lot of the roads I used to drive on in places like Louisiana and Mississippi were so bad that I wished they were gravel. And these were Interstate Highways.

Rural small towns in America were depressing places twenty years ago with no work and unbelievable amounts of drug use and the consequent high levels of incarceration. I can only imagine what the latest round of wealth concentration has done to them.

I think its symptomatic of the further exclusion of ever growing portions of the population from the world's weath. The wealthy and what remains of the middle class have access to the brand new infrastructure and police protection and the rest just have to make do. Previously working class, or before that feudal serfs, they at least had a place in society even if it was just for exploitation. Now they are completely unneeded, useless eaters indeed, and it looks like they will have to fend for themselves.

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The moves have angered some residents because of the choking dust and windshield-cracking stones that gravel roads can kick up, not to mention the jarring "washboard" effect of driving on rutted gravel.

But higher taxes for road maintenance are equally unpopular. In June, Stutsman County residents rejected a measure that would have generated more money for roads by increasing property and sales taxes.

This neatly encapsulates the contradictory thinking that is paralysing the US- they want a modern state infrastructure without paying taxes, a free market system that bails out the losers, and a deregulated oil industry that takes no short cuts.

The US looks more and more like the old USSR every day- a massive bureaucracy with no money and no accountability that serves the interests of no one but themselves and their friends.

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I'm not sure about the gold bit but the rest (bartering, farm animals bred in towns, roads back to gravel) is definitely part of what I am in the process of modeling for the next 10, 15 years. I'm still surprised it is beginning now.

http://globaleconomi...ccepted-at.html

The beginning of the long emeregency

It's not going to be boring

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I'm not sure about the gold bit but the rest (bartering, farm animals bred in towns, roads back to gravel) is definitely part of what I am in the process of modeling for the next 10, 15 years. I'm still surprised it is beginning now.

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/07/ron-paul-silver-ounces-accepted-at.html

So we're going back to what has been normal human existence for the last 40,000 years.

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competing currencies :lol:

bye bye paper

100bneggs.jpg

It seems reasonable to pay for three eggs with a note marked 100.

If they are organic eggs, and the note said pennies instead of billion dollars, that is the cost of three eggs in the UK.

The difference between a note that says 100 pennies and 100 billion pounds is: Exactly nothing.

As to what that note would have bought last year, that is a different matter altogether.

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The beginning of the long emeregency

It's not going to be boring

:) I'm still working on that.

I think GATT/globalisation will take us there all by itself, peak oil or not.

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:) I'm still working on that.

I think GATT/globalisation will take us there all by itself, peak oil or not.

I'd agree with this.

It just seems to me that we have hit a perfect storm of several things at once. Ultimately, I think they are all more or less related and are the result of there just being too damned many of us.

Global trading practices

AGW

PO

General environmental degradation

Too many folks, not enough stuff.....

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This neatly encapsulates the contradictory thinking that is paralysing the US- they want a modern state infrastructure without paying taxes, a free market system that bails out the losers, and a deregulated oil industry that takes no short cuts.

The US looks more and more like the old USSR every day- a massive bureaucracy with no money and no accountability that serves the interests of no one but themselves and their friends.

Us tax rates for the rich in the 50s went to 90% in some cases. This helped build the infrastructure and development that is now rotting away. Regan and his neo con cohorts protecting their right-wing uber rich lobbyists with Tax cuts and deregulation, whilst leaving everyone else on the road to hell.

They knew even then that the 'money' was running out. Hence why they've been spending the last three decades trying to capture all that's left.

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