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Landlords supported by Brighton's Green MP Caroline Lucas.

This morning, on "BBC Breakfast" TV, the Green MP from Brighton, Caroline Lucas (a supposedly "socialist" - she says so), was shown making a speech against the Government's proposed cap on Housing Benefits paid to landlords - LHA. (Sorry, I can't find a link to it on the "BBC Breakfast" page, or anywhere in that messy, cr@py BBC site.)

As most of us here know already, the previous system of paying the regional average rent (50 percentile) was in effect turning the previous average into the new floor, hence pushing up the new average. Repeat this every year, and you have a constant upward pressure on rents, to the cost of tax-payers and private tenants, and to the (great) benefit of landlords.

Very surprising then that a supposedly "socialist" MP is against the new proposed system of aiming LHA at the 30th percentile for 2 years, as the new system will reduce housing costs for millions of tenants - for both self-funding tenants, and tax-payers funded tenants.

My question is: can't she see this? Really? Is she really this thick? Or is she just playing demagogic, populist politics?

(Interestingly, I always had the same question for most Labour politicians, Brown included.)

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According to people in the Green party Lucas' primary concern is Caroline Lucas. Considering the constituency in Brighton, hordes of feckless Landlords and unemployable crusties this is no surprise. Its nicknamed skid-row on sea for a reason.

I think you are right. I bet her main concern is already her re-election, and if her "base" was HB recipients, she won't care for private tenants, or tax-payers (I am both! :( ) or for her supposed "principles".

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From a socialist point of view the reduction in housing benefit is bad. It is taking money away from those on low or no income, thus pushing them back towards poverty. Its just that the more money for renters suffers from the law of unintended consequences. It takes a certain amount of economic and psychological ability to realise this.

Someone should try and explain it to her that the policy will help those she is trying to help. She is just naive.

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From a socialist point of view the reduction in housing benefit is bad. It is taking money away from those on low or no income, thus pushing them back towards poverty. Its just that the more money for renters suffers from the law of unintended consequences. It takes a certain amount of economic and psychological ability to realise this.

Someone should try and explain it to her that the policy will help those she is trying to help. She is just naive.

I do understand your point, and I did consider it, hence my (legit) question about it. But for goodness sake, it is very very easy to see how the previous policy was pushing all rents up. It is really very very simple to see that. < sigh >

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What's the email for the letters page of the free paper down there?

Don't know about the free paper, but the local rag is the Evening Argus, usually malapropised as...Ah well you guess! :blink:

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Landlords supported by Brighton's Green MP Caroline Lucas.

This morning, on "BBC Breakfast" TV, the Green MP from Brighton, Caroline Lucas (a supposedly "socialist" - she says so), was shown making a speech against the Government's proposed cap on Housing Benefits paid to landlords - LHA. (Sorry, I can't find a link to it on the "BBC Breakfast" page, or anywhere in that messy, cr@py BBC site.)

As most of us here know already, the previous system of paying the regional average rent (50 percentile) was in effect turning the previous average into the new floor, hence pushing up the new average. Repeat this every year, and you have a constant upward pressure on rents, to the cost of tax-payers and private tenants, and to the (great) benefit of landlords.

Very surprising then that a supposedly "socialist" MP is against the new proposed system of aiming LHA at the 30th percentile for 2 years, as the new system will reduce housing costs for millions of tenants - for both self-funding tenants, and tax-payers funded tenants.

My question is: can't she see this? Really? Is she really this thick? Or is she just playing demagogic, populist politics?

(Interestingly, I always had the same question for most Labour politicians, Brown included.)

I guess she thinks there is an infinite number of private sector tenants so landlords can simply kick the housing benefit tenants out and replace them.

If this is true, you can kind of see her point.

Much as I hope that the caps on housing benefit cause a huge number of landlords to have to sell up - and put downward pressure on house prices - I've got a horrible feeling this is going to turn really messy with interviews showing people who have been slung out because the housing benefit is too small to pay the rent, and landlords who say 'if I don't get £500 a month, I can't pay the mortgage'.

The sheer, crass, wanton stupidity of the last government allowing people to build massive, highly leveraged property empires is going to end with families on the street.

I don't know what the answer is - the problem is massive and, for a cash strapped government, intractable.

What we need is a private sector rent strike. I wish someone who could act as a voice for the young would act as a voice of reason and try to get as many young people as possible to refuse to rent. Where I live there seems to be infinite demand for rented accommodation. I'm blowed if I know where people get the money from.

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The government and its quasi democratic apologists for merciless exploitation, sorry, MPs, will always support the government as a wealth extraction machine on behalf of the wealthy elite that owns most of the country. Don't expect an MP who's labelled as "socialist" to be any different. Next time you use the suggestions box, erm, I mean ballot box, just tick a random box.

The game has been going on for so long that we're mostly unaware of its existence. I don't care what anybody says, the cost of living is fixed, regardless of the so called "free market" because the game is rigged and land is hoarded and planning restrictions skewed so as to maintain the status quo.

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From a socialist point of view the reduction in housing benefit is bad. It is taking money away from those on low or no income, thus pushing them back towards poverty.

Given that poor people just pass it on to their Rachman style landlord (or have the government do it for them), it hardly takes money away from the deserving poor. The inflation of rents supported by government subsidy actually hits the working poor the hardest, the people who have to actually earn their rent then compete against housing benefit in the market.

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From a socialist point of view the reduction in housing benefit is bad. It is taking money away from those on low or no income, thus pushing them back towards poverty. Its just that the more money for renters suffers from the law of unintended consequences. It takes a certain amount of economic and psychological ability to realise this.

Someone should try and explain it to her that the policy will help those she is trying to help. She is just naive.

First I remembered that Ms Lucas has a PhD, so she could not be an imbecile.

But then I remember that that "nutritionist" on the telly was also supposed to have a "PhD", remember? Gilly something? (Googling) ... Gillian McKeith!

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Then it came up that Ms McKeith's PhD was actually some very easy thingy from an American " "University" " - basically fake.

So I decided to Google Ms Lucas educational background a bit, but she does not include this info on her webpages. I just found this on Wikipedia:

Education

Lucas was born in Malvern, Worcestershire, and was educated at Malvern Girls' College (which became Malvern St James in 2006), an independent school in Great Malvern. She then went to the University of Exeter, where she gained a first-class BA (Hons) in English Literature, which she completed in 1983. Whilst there, she went on many trips to Greenham Common and Molesworth when involved with CND. She took a scholarship at the University of Kansas between 1983 and 1984 before doing a Diploma of Journalism in 1987. She earned her PhD from the University of Exeter in 1989 with a thesis entitled Writing for Women: a study of woman as reader in Elizabethan romance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Lucas#Education

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I guess she thinks there is an infinite number of private sector tenants so landlords can simply kick the housing benefit tenants out and replace them.

If this is true, you can kind of see her point.

Much as I hope that the caps on housing benefit cause a huge number of landlords to have to sell up - and put downward pressure on house prices - I've got a horrible feeling this is going to turn really messy with interviews showing people who have been slung out because the housing benefit is too small to pay the rent, and landlords who say 'if I don't get £500 a month, I can't pay the mortgage'.

The sheer, crass, wanton stupidity of the last government allowing people to build massive, highly leveraged property empires is going to end with families on the street.

I don't know what the answer is - the problem is massive and, for a cash strapped government, intractable.

What we need is a private sector rent strike. I wish someone who could act as a voice for the young would act as a voice of reason and try to get as many young people as possible to refuse to rent. Where I live there seems to be infinite demand for rented accommodation. I'm blowed if I know where people get the money from.

+1 HB Reform is so so needed and the Coalition has taken one significant step. But if not cleverly managed as part of a complete programme of reform they are in mortal danger of handing a gift to the hand-wringing economics-illiterate left. To make it work we need municipal house building or empty property sequestration - and lots of it, fast. The poor families chucked mercilously onto the street need to have cheap houses to go to. If they start getting chippy about the decor then let them stay on the street. Then the landlords will lower rents or sell up. A win win

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Given that poor people just pass it on to their Rachman style landlord (or have the government do it for them), it hardly takes money away from the deserving poor. The inflation of rents supported by government subsidy actually hits the working poor the hardest, the people who have to actually earn their rent then compete against housing benefit in the market.

Exactly!

But can't she see that?! Is she really such a short sighted moron?!

I don't get it.

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I do understand your point, and I did consider it, hence my (legit) question about it. But for goodness sake, it is very very easy to see how the previous policy was pushing all rents up. It is really very very simple to see that. < sigh >

I think this is the point... not that she is some kind of evil landlord lover, just that sometimes socialism can 'blind' someone from the correct in-depth analysis... you still hear this sort of thing from some Labour MP's when they attack cuts being necessarily made. Some cuts will inevitably hurt and make people poorer but they do not understand that they are necessary to prevent complete collapse and far-reaching poverty on a grand scale. It's the wood for the trees syndrome.

I don’t think it is time to start slagging CL off as some sort of landlord loving parasite which will inevitably lead to some misogynistic off the cuff Harriet Harmen’esque responses on this forum.

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From a socialist point of view the reduction in housing benefit is bad. It is taking money away from those on low or no income, thus pushing them back towards poverty.

No it isn't. It's not taking money away from them, it's taking it away from their landlords.

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Given that poor people just pass it on to their Rachman style landlord (or have the government do it for them), it hardly takes money away from the deserving poor. The inflation of rents supported by government subsidy actually hits the working poor the hardest, the people who have to actually earn their rent then compete against housing benefit in the market.

Yes, but it hits those who want to re-enter the jobs market even more, as rents get driven up beyond the point at whiche there is any point in taking one of the jobs that are on offer. It traps people who want to work on benifits, with all the social and self esteem issues that go with that.

No it isn't. It's not taking money away from them, it's taking it away from their landlords.

Yes. Exactly.

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I guess she thinks there is an infinite number of private sector tenants so landlords can simply kick the housing benefit tenants out and replace them.

If this is true, you can kind of see her point.

Much as I hope that the caps on housing benefit cause a huge number of landlords to have to sell up - and put downward pressure on house prices - I've got a horrible feeling this is going to turn really messy with interviews showing people who have been slung out because the housing benefit is too small to pay the rent, and landlords who say 'if I don't get £500 a month, I can't pay the mortgage'.

The sheer, crass, wanton stupidity of the last government allowing people to build massive, highly leveraged property empires is going to end with families on the street.

I don't know what the answer is - the problem is massive and, for a cash strapped government, intractable.

What we need is a private sector rent strike. I wish someone who could act as a voice for the young would act as a voice of reason and try to get as many young people as possible to refuse to rent. Where I live there seems to be infinite demand for rented accommodation. I'm blowed if I know where people get the money from.

Good post. You will see a bit of both scenarios you mention. It's a painful adjustment we must have. The high rents have come about as property prices have risen. Those buying into BTL would have to receive a very high rent to show that a house 'stacks up' for mortgage pruposes on an 85% LTV BTL mortgage. Most of them purchased in the last few years don't! The rents in Brighton are absolutely staggering. www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-16361118.html

The advantages of a 40% fall in property prices far outweigh the huge difficulty that may present to those BTL owners/owner occupiers who bought in the last 5 years or so.

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I think this is the point... not that she is some kind of evil landlord lover, just that sometimes socialism can 'blind' someone from the correct in-depth analysis... you still hear this sort of thing from some Labour MP's when they attack cuts being necessarily made. Some cuts will inevitably hurt and make people poorer but they do not understand that they are necessary to prevent complete collapse and far-reaching poverty on a grand scale. It's the wood for the trees syndrome.

I don't think it is time to start slagging CL off as some sort of landlord loving parasite which will inevitably lead to some misogynistic off the cuff Harriet Harmen'esque responses on this forum.

Maybe, unless other things happen - like a sudden provision of Social Housing - she is absolutely right - i.e. that reducing housing benefit will simply cause landlords to terminate tenancy agreements for people on housing benefit and take, higher paying, private tenants.

In which case, given councils have a legal obligation to house people without a roof over their heads, what will it achieve? Millions in bed and breakfasts - at a higher cost.

I'm all for the housing benefit cuts - but not if it means people on the streets or families living in B&Bs.

Whether we like it or not, somehow property has to be retrieved from the army of BTL landlords and, either brought into public ownership, or be made available at affordable prices to buy. Either way, strikes me the banks who provided the money to finance this nonsense will end up short.

One day we'll look back at New Labour's BTL property boom and realise it was a complete FECKING disaster and that the country was run by imbeciles.

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I think this is the point... not that she is some kind of evil landlord lover, just that sometimes socialism can 'blind' someone from the correct in-depth analysis... you still hear this sort of thing from some Labour MP's when they attack cuts being necessarily made. Some cuts will inevitably hurt and make people poorer but they do not understand that they are necessary to prevent complete collapse and far-reaching poverty on a grand scale. It's the wood for the trees syndrome.

I don’t think it is time to start slagging CL off as some sort of landlord loving parasite which will inevitably lead to some misogynistic off the cuff Harriet Harmen’esque responses on this forum.

I think her main goal is probably to please her political base - and I guess the number of HB recipients there is greater than the number of private tenants tax-payers aware of this policy's consequences.

What I don't know is if she knows, understands the real economic consequences of the previous LHA policy: higher rents. That is my puzzlement, as up to now I had thought, believed that she was an ideological MP.

And the fact that she is female did not play any part in my surprise, whatsoever, I swear. I always have the same question (stupidity or dishonesty) regarding many politicians, male or female, frequently in the Labour party, with their crazy (sorry, I forgot insanity) policies.

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Yes, but it hits those who want to re-enter the jobs market even more, as rents get driven up beyond the point at whiche there is any point in taking one of the jobs that are on offer. It traps people who want to work on benifits, with all the social and self esteem issues that go with that.

Very good point.

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Exactly!

But can't she see that?! Is she really such a short sighted moron?!

I don't get it.

I do, she obviously see's everything through her CND tinted glasses, so anything proposed by the Tories = bad, so the opposite must = good. It's a kind of idiot contrarianism seen throughout the left, that's why they denounce Christian fundamentalsts and creationist types yet defend exactly the same illiberal and anti-science bull$hit when it comes from proponents of other religions.

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