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Email Received About Benefits Claimants

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I received this email this morning. Knock yourselves out! ;)

This is a single issue newsletter asking for your urgent help in getting a government website closed down. The site, set up by the treasury to allow people to suggest ways to cut government spending, is full of hate-filled racist and disablist suggestions, including the sterilisation of benefits claimants, the return of the workhouse and the forced repatriation of asylum seekers and migrants. Some of the site’s content is so extreme it may even constitute a criminal offence.

The Spending Challenge website at

http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk/

was set up on Friday by the coalition government and features an introduction and video on its home page by chancellor George Osborne.

In his video Osborne tells visitors that “Your government needs you, please get in touch” and the introduction assures visitors that:

“A team has been put together right at the heart of government and their job is to make sure that your ideas and comments are taken seriously - and that the best ideas are taken forward as part of the Spending Review.”

Yet these ideas and comments clearly demonstrate how the demonisation of claimants by successive governments has succeeded in promoting open and widespread hatred. One suggestion is to “Re-open the workhouses” for the unemployed, the elderly and asylum seekers. The poster goes on to suggest that:

“To prevent the problem of generations of poor people, release could be conditional on getting sterilised.”

Another idea entitled “Discouraging those who do not work from starting a family” goes on to say that:

“Where NHS staff have identified that a couple or single mother isn't in a position to support themselves and a child financially, they should be advised to terminate the pregnancy (if very early on), or be recommended to give the child up for adoption.”

Other ideas include:

“Benefits claimants to work in sweatshops” which urges the government to also send the unemployed to Afghanistan as cannon fodder;

“Let The Disabled Community Forge A New Industry” which suggests that disabled claimants should grow and sell cannabis for a living;

“Employ Crocodiles in Benefits Offices” to discourage claims;

the self-explanatory “Stop paying JSA etc to drunks, druggies & wastrels”; and

“Stop handing out free laptops and internet connections to the unemployed” in which the poster goes on to say that “I worked fifteen years before I could afford to buy myself a laptop, some toerag who's never worked a day in his life gets it courtesy of the State.”

Even where the initial post appears to be an attempt at humour or irony, the baying mob of supportive posters demonstrates that many others take the ideas seriously.

Equally disturbing and possibly criminal are the huge number of racist rants being published by the treasury.

In one suggestion “Move immigrants in council houses out of cities”, the original poster wants the coalition government to “Tell immigrants that they are being moved to less expensive areas. If they don't want to, they can leave the country.”

However, in a subsequent comment, another poster responds with “I'm not sure that I want to see immigrants living in our villages - keep them in the ghetto's until such time as they can all be deported.”

Many of the suggestions target specific groups such as Somalis and the site is littered with the most ugly and examples of ignorance and prejudice, many so extreme that we are not prepared to reproduce them,

The Public Order Act 1986 makes it an offence to publish material which is likely to stir up racial hatred. Benefits and Work believes that this is exactly the effect that the treasury website will have. The content may also be in breach of discrimination and harassment legislation. Whilst we do not have the legal knowledge to pursue this matter further, and don’t want to be accused of a publicity stunt, we hope that there are readers of this newsletter who will have both the knowledge and the sense of outrage to do so and that they will involve the police in investigating this site.

The site has a ‘Report to the moderator’ feature, but appears to be otherwise unmoderated. To leave the responsibility for policing a government website to members of the public instead of checking each submission before publishing it is, at best, inexcusably negligent and, at worst, criminally irresponsible. There are, in any case, so many vile sentiments being posted there, that it would be a full-time job to keep reporting them all.

If you are as revolted as we are by the use of taxpayers money to encourage racism and hatred of claimants, please consider doing the following:

Contact your MP today and ask them to tell the chancellor to close down this vile site, clean it up and don’t reopen it until it is properly policed;

Make a complaint to the Equalities and human Rights Commission at

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/our-job/contact-us/

This article can be viewed online at

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/latest-news/1233-sterilise-claimants-urges-racist-treasury-website

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Wow, who'd have thunk it?

A Government site with more right wing posters than HPC. Never thought I'd see the day ;)

the quote that gets me is;

To leave the responsibility give freedom to the public for policing a government website to members of the public instead of checking each submission before publishing it is, at best, inexcusably negligent and, at worst, criminally irresponsible

w@nkers !

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the quote that gets me is;

To leave the responsibility give freedom to the public for policing a government website to members of the public instead of checking each submission before publishing it is, at best, inexcusably negligent and, at worst, criminally irresponsible

w@nkers !

oh dear - shows up what a bunch of fascists some public sector lieutenants are (some def not all)

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funny how they don't have comments enebaled on their own web page - control freaks

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Wonder who these people are?Domain name: benefitsandwork.co.uk Registrant: Benefits and work Publishing Ltd Registrant type: UK Limited Company, (Company number: 5962666) Registrant's address: PO Box 4352 Warminster Wiltshire BA12 2AF United Kingdom Registrar: Webhosting UK COM Ltd [Tag = WEBHOSTINGUK] URL: http://www.webhosting.uk.com Relevant dates: Registered on: 15-Aug-2002 Renewal date: 15-Aug-2010 Last updated: 29-Mar-2010 Registration status: Registered until renewal date. Name servers: ns1.benefitsandtest.co.uk 85.234.141.73 ns2.benefitsandtest.co.uk 213.175.223.108

Oh and hide behind a PO Box number! :lol:

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Err where did you receive this email from? Probably New Labour goon tactics..

Exactly what I was thinking.

Someone trying to suppress what people are thinking. It may be bad, but it is a state of the times and a reflection of how Labour screwed this country up, that people are saying such bad things.

zaNu Labour, still trying to suppress the truth and take away our freedoms. GFY Labour!

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This is direct versus representative democracy in action.

In a representative democracy, we are allowed to choose from a field of candidates. Generally, there is no one candidate who completely reflects all of our views so we choose the least bad alternative.

In a direct democracy, we are allowed to express our views on single issues directly rather than having them filtered through a political party.

Political parties (all of them) make the mistake of thinking that we want everything that they propose just because we voted for them. They do not understand that the fact that we elected them is because they are the least bad option rather than because they were the ideal option.

Further, many potential voters are unable to accept the least bad option so they disengage from the process entirely. When offered a more directly democratic alternative, they re-engage in the political process and previously unheard voices emerge.

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shut it down. In fact shut everything down i dont like. That will fix everything

They are trying.

I gave their idea the lowest rating possible.

http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk/how-can-we-rethink-public-services-to-deliver-more-for-less/lets-get-a-moderator-on-this-website

The people should have a voice, even if we don't like what they have to say.

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Guest PenelopePitstop

Err where did you receive this email from? Probably New Labour goon tactics..

campaign@benefitsandwork.co.uk

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Do they charge for these booklets that help people make claims?

If they do and they lose business as the government reduces the numbers on benefits - then they are just VIs wanting their gravy train to keep on running.

Seems a weird outfit:

http://benefitsandwork.co.uk/-about-us

Benefits and Work, was launched in 2002 (and became a limited company in October 2006) by advice worker turned barrister Holiday Whitehead and benefits writer and trainer Steve Donnison, to provide just such information.It is unique amongst benefits information providers in that it asks for no funding or support from the government, local authorities, grant making trusts or large companies. Every penny of Benefits and Work's revenue comes from its subscribing members.This complete independence means that Benefits and Work is free to publish information that makes it deeply unpopular with the Department for Work and Pensions, multinationals with an interest in benefits - such as Atos Healthcare, Unum Provident and Capita - and even other advice providers whose dependence on state and corporate funding may have made them reluctant to tell the whole truth.All the guides on the site are written by Steve and Holiday . Many of them draw on information obtained - sometimes only after a long fight - from the Department for Work and Pensions using the Freedom of Information Act.

Its £95 per year for a professional subscription, normal £18.95

Be interesting to know how the OP got on their mail out list

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TRANSLATION

We have no real arguments against cuts so we'll just scream racism and homophobia et al instead. Like we always do.

I mean

'employing crocodiles at job centres'

Are these lthe eftist morons think that Brass Eye was a genuine current affairs show and Fawtly Towers a documentary on Hotel management?

Do they even know what a joke is?

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Be interesting to know how the OP got on their mail out list

Beats me!! Never heard of them nor had any contact from them before. Just a random email. Very odd!

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TRANSLATION

We have no real arguments against cuts so we'll just scream racism and homophobia et al instead. Like we always do.

I mean

'employing crocodiles at job centres'

Are these lthe eftist morons think that Brass Eye was a genuine current affairs show and Fawtly Towers a documentary on Hotel management?

Do they even know what a joke is?

Well parts of the Treasury site is turning into a mad hatters ball, especially on immigration matters. Unless people are deliberately out to ruin it. Its odd this doesn't surface so much on other social networking sites, or not as much.

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I also see the Benefits and Shirk website are good enough to criticize the freedom of speech allowed on the govt website yet have no comments section (even one presumably heavily censored by their stalinist moderators) to pass comment on their own phychobabble.

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Seems a weird outfit:

http://benefitsandwork.co.uk/-about-us

Benefits and Work, was launched in 2002 (and became a limited company in October 2006) by advice worker turned barrister Holiday Whitehead and benefits writer and trainer Steve Donnison, to provide just such information.It is unique amongst benefits information providers in that it asks for no funding or support from the government, local authorities, grant making trusts or large companies. Every penny of Benefits and Work's revenue comes from its subscribing members.This complete independence means that Benefits and Work is free to publish information that makes it deeply unpopular with the Department for Work and Pensions, multinationals with an interest in benefits - such as Atos Healthcare, Unum Provident and Capita - and even other advice providers whose dependence on state and corporate funding may have made them reluctant to tell the whole truth.All the guides on the site are written by Steve and Holiday . Many of them draw on information obtained - sometimes only after a long fight - from the Department for Work and Pensions using the Freedom of Information Act.

Its £95 per year for a professional subscription, normal £18.95

Be interesting to know how the OP got on their mail out list

The address on the website looks like it is in the RMT Union Office Building, EDITED : Ok sorry next door to the RMT, which appears to be a solictors http://www.stanleyda...nley-davis.html

RMT Union on streetview, two doors down is 43

41 Chalton Street, London

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Well parts of the Treasury site is turning into a mad hatters ball, especially on immigration matters. Unless people are deliberately out to ruin it. Its odd this doesn't surface so much on other social networking sites, or not as much.

Mad in your opinion. What B&W are claiming is we want freedom of speech, so long as you agree with us. Which isnt freedom of speech.

Id call the open doors policy of the last 13 years mad myself.

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Beats me!!  Never heard of them nor had any contact from them before.  Just a random email.  Very odd!

There should be something at the bottom of the email telling you why you are receiving it, and where to unsubscribe, if you no longer wish to receive it. Alternatively write to them and find out. Unsolicited bulk email or spam is a "sort of" offence in this country.

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"The people have spoken, the bastards."

Here's an important distinction. People posting crap to spendingchallenge are doing so by invitation (as are people posting serious ideas you or I might not agree with). Spammers emailing you crap are not.

Of course there are lots of loonies and jokers whose ideas won't be going anywhere. It's called Free Speech. We used to believe in it.

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The address on the website looks like it is in the RMT Union Office Building, EDITED : Ok sorry next door to the RMT, which appears to be a solictors  http://www.stanleyda...nley-davis.html

RMT Union on streetview, two doors down is 43

41 Chalton Street, London

Companies House Record:

Name & Registered Office:

BENEFITS AND WORK PUBLISHING LIMITED

FIRST FLOOR

41 CHALTON STREET

LONDON

NW1 1JD

Company No. 05962666

Status: Active

Date of Incorporation: 10/10/2006

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Company Type: Private Limited Company

Nature of Business (SIC(03)):

7487 - Other business activities

Accounting Reference Date: 31/10

Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/10/2009 (TOTAL EXEMPTION SMALL)

Next Accounts Due: 31/07/2011

Last Return Made Up To: 10/10/2009

Next Return Due: 07/11/2010

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Companies House Record:

Name & Registered Office:

BENEFITS AND WORK PUBLISHING LIMITED

FIRST FLOOR

41 CHALTON STREET

LONDON

NW1 1JD

Company No. 05962666

Status: Active

Date of Incorporation: 10/10/2006

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Company Type: Private Limited Company

Nature of Business (SIC(03)):

7487 - Other business activities

Accounting Reference Date: 31/10

Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/10/2009 (TOTAL EXEMPTION SMALL)

Next Accounts Due: 31/07/2011

Last Return Made Up To: 10/10/2009

Next Return Due: 07/11/2010

Almost certainly an accomodation address:

http://www.stanleyda...nley-davis.html

(I googled the address and a company formation specialist came up). Actually lots of businesses came up! :lol:

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Guest PenelopePitstop

You've all missed your calling in lives, should have been detectives! :lol:

Anyway, I'm gunning for the disabled growing and selling cannibas....... :unsure:

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You've all missed your calling in lives, should have been detectives!  :lol:

Anyway, I'm gunning for the disabled growing and selling cannibas....... :unsure:

They were planning on paying Afghanistans *not* to grow opium!

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