winkie Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00t3vh5/Straight_Talk_Iain_Duncan_Smith_MP_Secretary_of_State_for_Work_and_Pensions/ Anyone see this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) http://www.bbc.co.uk...k_and_Pensions/ Anyone see this? LOL watch duncan-schmitd touching his 'itchy' nose - after his lying fascist spiels!!! Can't beat body language! So benefits are spiralling - would that be that successive governments have allowed mass outsourcing of UK jobs and carving up/sell offs of profit making companies like cadburys who recently moved thousands of jobs to Poland! So they take it out on the unemployed/poor (when they need it most) due to govt policies losing them their jobs - typical Con_servative Etonians! edited for the "looosing" nazis Edited July 10, 2010 by erranta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashConnoisseur Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 ...but no concern about spiralling house prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJAR Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) Well he did mention housing benefit just helping push up rents. Came across well in my opinion, not blaming the poor for being poor and looking for reform to improve work incentives rather than just cutting benefits without thinking about it. Edit - he was talking about not making the poorest pay for the reductions, but also not giving people a blank cheque to refuse to work even if they are capable. Edited July 10, 2010 by LJAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPC001 Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 No LVT, no dismantling of government protected cartels then (including occupational licensing)? What about protectionist countries dumping their goods on us? No comment on the insane levels of compliance costs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) ...but no concern about spiralling house prices. These are the plans they are working on - whilst they trick you into believing otherwise! Nineteen Eighty-Four occurs in Oceania, one of three intercontinental super-states who divided the world among themselves after a global war. 'They' recently split the World into THREE - look at your Blu-ray "Regions" In London, the "chief city of Airstrip One" Docklands they have/are building airstrip one (hint - obamas plane is "Airforce One") The social class system is three-fold: (I) the upper-class Inner Party, (I.P. address is how 'they' track everything you do on the internet!) (II) the middle-class Outer Party, (hints 'O.P.' = original poster??) (III) the lower-class Proles (from Proletariat), who make up 85% of the population and represent the working classes. (thats why they are destroying most of the middle classes and depriving you of your wealth in every direction you look to) This is where most of you are all heading - working class! Edjucated guess - The Outer Party is reserved for the higher degrees (5th Column) of Mary's! As the government, the Party controls the population via four government ministries: the Ministry of Peace, (general harrassment of the masses ie CCTV, traffic jams etc) Ministry of Plenty, (anything BUT) Ministry of Love, (anything BUT) the Ministry of Truth, (anything BUT) where protagonist Winston Smith (a member of the Outer Party), works as an editor revising historical records to concord the past to the contemporary party line orthodoxy — that changes daily — and deletes the official existence of politically incorrect people identified as unpersons. Winston (Ian Duncan-SMIIFF) Smith - "deletes the official existence of politically incorrect people identified as unpersons" (UN_employed) That's STRAIGHT TALK for you! Edited July 10, 2010 by erranta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybernoid Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 These are the plans they are working on - whilst they trick you into believing otherwise! No mention of care in the community I noticed, this is a matter plainly close to your heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) No mention of care in the community I noticed, this is a matter plainly close to your heart Esp when 'the state' 5th columnists can attack UK citizens with impunity! Original sign of I_talian fascists was two WW's criss crossing in the middle - flipped = 'MM' Edited July 10, 2010 by erranta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 IDS is Ok, makess ense. errata, you're spending way too much time on your font to suggest you have a healthy attitude, and the "humerous" puns on his name make you look very silly. Nobody's really buying your attempts to pretend the Tories are New Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 These are the plans they are working on - whilst they trick you into believing otherwise! Nineteen Eighty-Four occurs in Oceania, one of three intercontinental super-states who divided the world among themselves after a global war. 'They' recently split the World into THREE - look at your Blu-ray "Regions" In London, the "chief city of Airstrip One" Docklands they have/are building airstrip one (hint - obamas plane is "Airforce One") The social class system is three-fold: (I) the upper-class Inner Party, (I.P. address is how 'they' track everything you do on the internet!) (II) the middle-class Outer Party, (hints 'O.P.' = original poster??) (III) the lower-class Proles (from Proletariat), who make up 85% of the population and represent the working classes. (thats why they are destroying most of the middle classes and depriving you of your wealth in every direction you look to) This is where most of you are all heading - working class! Edjucated guess - The Outer Party is reserved for the higher degrees (5th Column) of Mary's! As the government, the Party controls the population via four government ministries: the Ministry of Peace, (general harrassment of the masses ie CCTV, traffic jams etc) Ministry of Plenty, (anything BUT) Ministry of Love, (anything BUT) the Ministry of Truth, (anything BUT) where protagonist Winston Smith (a member of the Outer Party), works as an editor revising historical records to concord the past to the contemporary party line orthodoxy — that changes daily — and deletes the official existence of politically incorrect people identified as unpersons. Winston (Ian Duncan-SMIIFF) Smith - "deletes the official existence of politically incorrect people identified as unpersons" (UN_employed) That's STRAIGHT TALK for you! three of this, three of that...and then theres Rolf Harris...in the 60s, his prophetic code song, Jake the Peg, was clearly a sign we ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Peasant Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 LOL watch duncan-schmitd touching his 'itchy' nose - after his lying fascist spiels!!! Can't beat body language! So benefits are spiralling - would that be that successive governments have allowed mass outsourcing of UK jobs and carving up/sell offs of profit making companies like cadburys who recently moved thousands of jobs to Poland! So they take it out on the unemployed/poor (when they need it most) due to govt policies losing them their jobs - typical Con_servative Etonians! edited for the "looosing" nazis If IDS had actually been to Eton I might bother reading what you had to say, but it's going to be a load of teenage ramblings and other conspiracy theories. Complete ******. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 . It's Danish and it's not the original. Rolf Harris wrote it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 If IDS had actually been to Eton I might bother reading what you had to say, but it's going to be a load of teenage ramblings and other conspiracy theories. Complete ******. GoBBy Here you go some more IDS for you >>> This is one of their Globalist organisations which they use to counteract any political or "PEASANT" discontent/uprising/measure the rising anger! Note/eton the 'Orwellian' titles "Reimagining Development" http://www.ids.ac.uk/go/reimagine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiges Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) I think he came across quite well, no cliches no glib sound bites. Hopefully he'll help sort out the mess. I'm glad he mentioned those hard workers can't afford the houses that those unemployed are given. Edited July 10, 2010 by exiges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 I think he came across quite well, no cliches no glib sound bites. Hopefully he'll help sort out the mess. I'm glad he mentioned those hard workers can't afford the houses that those unemployed are given. The unemployed are mostly ex-workers thrown out of their jobs - geddit? Million + recently! They paid 'insurance' for a reasonable amount to support them when out of work. Govt policy threw them out of work! Govt shifts goal posts(after stealing most of their pensions) as soon as they need to make insurance/benefit claim. The govt 'stooges' are taking your focus off the rich who have stuffed us in the last decade thru the city. We are still forced to support and bail-out their mass thieving apparatus running into hundreds of millions of pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiges Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 The unemployed are mostly ex-workers thrown out of their jobs - geddit? Million + recently! They paid 'insurance' for a reasonable amount to support them when out of work. What makes you think all those in benefit were thrown out of jobs ? Regardless of what they contributed (if any) they are not entitled to better housing than they would be able to afford if they were in work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RufflesTheGuineaPig Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Nobody's really buying your attempts to pretend the Tories are New Labour. Actually New Labour were old tories. The manifesto that won them the 2005 election is the one the tories ran with when they lost power. If you look at it they might as well have just photocopied it. The best example was the back-door privatisation of the NHS. People voted Labour to prevent it, then 2 elections later it's Labour policy. The lib-dems, traditionally the middle party, have been clearly more socialist than Labour. It's been the biggest con in British politics ever. We've had 25 years or Tory government, and now we've just elected a new Tory government, thinking that things will change for the better. It reminds me of Die-hard 2, when the special forces guys turn up, McClane turns the the black guys and says "Did things just get better or worse?". I the end, it turns out the special forces guys were behind it all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 What makes you think all those in benefit were thrown out of jobs ? Regardless of what they contributed (if any) they are not entitled to better housing than they would be able to afford if they were in work They rented those same houses when they were in work. Are you saying millions move house when losing their job - when they have no extra money? That's what you imply! Now are you going on about the 0.0001% deliberately 'highlighted' in the (rich-owned) media to-make-you-mad-about-all-people-thrown-out-of-work? Divide & conquer to the lowest denominator - pathetic if you have been caught out by that - don't let them get to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) Actually New Labour were old tories. The manifesto that won them the 2005 election is the one the tories ran with when they lost power. If you look at it they might as well have just photocopied it. The best example was the back-door privatisation of the NHS. People voted Labour to prevent it, then 2 elections later it's Labour policy. The lib-dems, traditionally the middle party, have been clearly more socialist than Labour. It's been the biggest con in British politics ever. We've had 25 years or Tory government, and now we've just elected a new Tory government, thinking that things will change for the better. It reminds me of Die-hard 2, when the special forces guys turn up, McClane turns the the black guys and says "Did things just get better or worse?". I the end, it turns out the special forces guys were behind it all along. Nonsense. I'm referring to the determined effects on continuous deficit spending through a boom (even though it was just a credit orgy in truth). That is not Tory policy. Edited July 10, 2010 by bogbrush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RufflesTheGuineaPig Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Nonsense. I'm referring to the determined effects on continuous deficit spending through a boom (even though it was just a credit orgy in truth). That is not Tory policy. Making the landed gentry even richer is most definitely tory policy. Thats what the house price boom did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flob Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Making the landed gentry even richer is most definitely tory policy. Thats what the house price boom did. Thats because the tories represent the asset owning class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RufflesTheGuineaPig Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Thats because the tories represent the asset owning class. As did Nu-Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alba Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 IDS said that they are not going to stop or reduce benefits for single parents who refuse work. Plus a Housing Benefit reduction will not affect most of them outside of the S.E. So no real change in this neck of the woods. He also side stepped the issue of two parent families who refuse work. As with Labour they are concerned about reducing child poverty, so they wont hit this group either. Once again it will be the easy targets, like those who have worked and fallen on hard times with this recession, then receive a pittance. The work shy will continue to milk the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campervanman Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Nonsense. I'm referring to the determined effects on continuous deficit spending through a boom (even though it was just a credit orgy in truth). That is not Tory policy. True, Tory policy was to sell off everything the country owned in order to keep the illusion going that living standards could rise without creating real wealth. Labour just continued the con with house prices. Both parties were guilty of pandering to the stupidity of the public who would rather believe the Sun telling them that any government who failed to cut their taxes was rubbish than face up to the reality of paying for what you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00t3vh5/Straight_Talk_Iain_Duncan_Smith_MP_Secretary_of_State_for_Work_and_Pensions/ Anyone see this? Is this the same IDS who was so rubbish at leading his party that the Tories fired him ? It must be great to have a Cabinet stuffed with so much talent Edited July 10, 2010 by realcrookswearsuits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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