tricksters Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/also_in_the_news/8806560.stm A pretty vociferous attack on Gordon/s record. Didn't say much at the time, did he. Many on here could see through Gordon Brown years ago but apparently the fiendishly intelligent and hugely articulate David M was taken in by the great man. Either that or perhaps he was just another devious little sycophant looking for the main chance. No end to Labour's odious machinations is there. And Gordon seems to have disappeared. After this is he likely to remain disappeared? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PropertyGuru Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 "I never really liked him, actually. I was just pretending to be his friend because I thought the rest of you liked him". RIP, Gordon "Shit" Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate's Bush Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/also_in_the_news/8806560.stm A pretty vociferous attack on Gordon/s record. Didn't say much at the time, did he. Many on here could see through Gordon Brown years ago but apparently the fiendishly intelligent and hugely articulate David M was taken in by the great man. Either that or perhaps he was just another devious little sycophant looking for the main chance. No end to Labour's odious machinations is there. And Gordon seems to have disappeared. After this is he likely to remain disappeared? Pathetic weazel. Anyone who held a cabinet post over the last five years should be hung, drawn and quartered. Bloody traitors to the british public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ologhai Jones Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/also_in_the_news/8806560.stm A pretty vociferous attack on Gordon/s record. Didn't say much at the time, did he. Many on here could see through Gordon Brown years ago but apparently the fiendishly intelligent and hugely articulate David M was taken in by the great man. Either that or perhaps he was just another devious little sycophant looking for the main chance. No end to Labour's odious machinations is there. And Gordon seems to have disappeared. After this is he likely to remain disappeared? "[Miliband] said: "I supported and voted for him. I agreed that we needed greater moral seriousness and less indifference to the excesses of a celebrity-drenched culture.'" Voted for him? I didn't think there was anyone else in the running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campervanman Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Brown will forever be seen now by the left (and eventually by most people) as the man who, by his stubborness, allowed the dark forces of conservatism to be unleashed upon Britain once again. He will be blamed as much as the coalition for the hit that ordinary british people will be taking over the next 5 years. Milliband like any of the contenders for the Labour leadership will be distancing himself from Brown as far as possible as picking up the pieces of post coalition Britain will need to be undertaken by someone who, unlike Brown, can undertake radical reform of British society on behalf of a public who will by then be begging to ditch the mentality of the past 30 years in the same way that they wanted to in 1945. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) The Telegraph have this as well: David Miliband: 'Gordon Brown lacked moral seriousness and lost people's trust'. One of the things they say (although they don't have a direct quote) is In a bold move for a Labour leadership hopeful, Mr Miliband also accused the former leader of failing to reward the wealthy, while intervening to much in the state, and allowing officials to unnecessarily interfere in people’s lives. Eh??? (1) I didn't think it was Labour's job to reward the wealthy (2) Nonetheless, the wealthy seemed to be doing just fine under Labour. What more was he wanting? EDIT. What appears to be the text of Milliband's speech can be found here: http://www.davidmiliband.net/2010/07/09/keir-hardie-lecture-2010/ . After a quick skim, I don't see anything that supports the Telegraph's statement above. Edited July 10, 2010 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hip to be bear Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) Brown will forever be seen now by the left (and eventually by most people) as the man who, by his stubborness, allowed the dark forces of conservatism to be unleashed upon Britain once again. He will be blamed as much as the coalition for the hit that ordinary british people will be taking over the next 5 years. Milliband like any of the contenders for the Labour leadership will be distancing himself from Brown as far as possible as picking up the pieces of post coalition Britain will need to be undertaken by someone who, unlike Brown, can undertake radical reform of British society on behalf of a public who will by then be begging to ditch the mentality of the past 30 years in the same way that they wanted to in 1945. Brown will be known as the Labour Chancellor / Leader who bankrupted Britain again.... (really badly this time). He will be remembered for taking on an economy with stable finances, and yet managing to destroy them completely. Why can apparantly intelligent Labour poiliticians and supporters not understand that if you want to keep spending (and adding stimulus) during an economic slowdown, you NEED to pay down debt during the good times. Brown baked failure and economic ruin into the cake between 2001 and 2007 when he added £200,000,000,000 to the national debt instead of paying off a similar amount. Blinkered ideologues can not see that however, preferring to blame a global financial crisis that started in America. The coalition will not be remembered fondly.....this would have been a good election to lose, bu make no mistake....this is Brown's mess! Edited July 10, 2010 by Hip to be bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200p Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) Tsk tsk. We've all done it. Blame the person, that's not here. Knives are coming out. Edited July 10, 2010 by Money Spinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyOne Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Brown will forever be seen now by the left (and eventually by most people) as the man who, by his stubborness, allowed the dark forces of conservatism to be unleashed upon Britain once again. He will be blamed as much as the coalition for the hit that ordinary british people will be taking over the next 5 years. Milliband like any of the contenders for the Labour leadership will be distancing himself from Brown as far as possible as picking up the pieces of post coalition Britain will need to be undertaken by someone who, unlike Brown, can undertake radical reform of British society on behalf of a public who will by then be begging to ditch the mentality of the past 30 years in the same way that they wanted to in 1945. The thing that I find most perturbing about political choices is that fiscal and social policies seem to have to both be liberal or both be conservative. I think that voters feel most let down by the Blair / Brown era because the initial promise to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative dissolved into an attempt to legislate, regulate, speculate and borrow their way to prosperity. The greatest sense of freedom that I have ever felt is the day that I no longer owed anyone any money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realistbear Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Labour under Brown almost took us back to the future (1984) in its Orwellian obsession with control and surveillance. That Milliband served under such a regime and seeks to continue in public office is chilling. I agree with the previous comment that Brown and his henchmen/women should be prosecuted for treason in allowing our nation to become impoverished both economically and socially. We had a glimpse at a very ugly future under Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Brown will forever be seen now by the left (and eventually by most people) as the man who, by his stubborness, allowed the dark forces of conservatism to be unleashed upon Britain once again. He will be blamed as much as the coalition for the hit that ordinary british people will be taking over the next 5 years. Milliband like any of the contenders for the Labour leadership will be distancing himself from Brown as far as possible as picking up the pieces of post coalition Britain will need to be undertaken by someone who, unlike Brown, can undertake radical reform of British society on behalf of a public who will by then be begging to ditch the mentality of the past 30 years in the same way that they wanted to in 1945. What are these dark forces of conservatism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sillybear2 Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 What are these dark forces of conservatism? I dunno, but I ran it through Google and it came back with this :- I guess the dark forces of conservatism would start endless foreign wars, reward the rich and bankers will bailouts then plunge the next generation into unrepayable debts, imagine that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Labour under Brown almost took us back to the future (1984) in its Orwellian obsession with control and surveillance. We had a glimpse at a very ugly future under Brown. I would say it was a glimpse of a very ugly future under Labour, period. Alan Johnson was on the news yesterday, still defending Section 44 of the Terrorism Act which allowed officers to stop and search anyone in a specific area for any reason – deemed illegal by the European Court of Human Rights. Many thousands of completely innocent people were stopped, and/or detained. Yet, even now Labour continue to defend their record. In the end, they will agree it was all a big mistake, get back into power, then do exactly the same. Or worse. Maybe next time, they will attempt to introduce soviet style gulag camps in Berkshire? What we need is some sort of Robespierre. And a real reckoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 I would say it was a glimpse of a very ugly future under Labour, period. Alan Johnson was on the news yesterday, still defending Section 44 of the Terrorism Act which allowed officers to stop and search anyone in a specific area for any reason – deemed illegal by the European Court of Human Rights. Many thousands of completely innocent people were stopped, and/or detained. Yet, even now Labour continue to defend their record. In the end, they will agree it was all a big mistake, get back into power, then do exactly the same. Or worse. Maybe next time, they will attempt to introduce soviet style gulag camps in Berkshire? What we need is some sort of Robespierre. And a real reckoning. AJ has a little hint of Hitler about him. My postman's just the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 AJ has a little hint of Hitler about him. My postman's just the same. The 'job centre nazis' have excellent cross transferable skillsets, to 're-educate' the offenders. And the 'Tip nazis' would make excellent gulag guards. [Those 6 guys who sit outside the portakabin , drinking tea, watching to make sure that you do not mix the rubble with the green waste.#] Ive seen one, damn near kill people for placing the electrical waste in the household waste skip. HEIL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sillybear2 Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Britain is full of junked up little Hitlers' where there's a form or fine for everything, not to mention a deeply embedded surveillance culture, this could descend into something nasty very easily, at the moment they're just taking the incremental approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Britain is full of junked up little Hitlers' where there's a form or fine for everything, not to mention a deeply embedded surveillance culture, this could descend into something nasty very easily, at the moment they're just taking the incremental approach. David and Nicholas have indicated their willingness to address this. I'll believe it when I no longer see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoneyMcRingRing Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 I note no specific issues are mentioned. The slimy weasel is just distancing himself from failure. P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Never mind the muppet, have you seen the advert with the Prince of Darkness reading his jackanory - serialisation of Mandleson's book in the times this weekend? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1293551/Peter-Mandelson-stars-TV-advert-autobiography.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sillybear2 Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) Jesus christ, and I thought they ran out of Bond Villains :- Mind you, at least he doesn't pretend his book isn't full of shit :- Everything seems to be shaping up nicely :- Who said crime doesn't pay? Edited July 10, 2010 by sillybear2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Jesus christ, and I thought they ran out of Bond Villains :- Mind you, at least he doesn't pretend his book isn't full of shit :- LOL I think they just turned up unannounced to do the ad and told him not to change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Britain is full of junked up little Hitlers' where there's a form or fine for everything, not to mention a deeply embedded surveillance culture, this could descend into something nasty very easily, at the moment they're just taking the incremental approach. Absolutely, this really needs to be addressed. The paranoia that this creates is not healthy for the nation - a nation of wardens and screws in a prison without walls (OK a little melodramatic, but you simply cannot just 'do' or organise things these days.) I really want to see the state rolled back and common sense made fashionable again with some risk acceptable. As for Banana Boy, what a weasle, he's the coward who could have done something to get rid of Brown in the day of resignations. Anybody associated with the Brown regime should be 'hung, drawn and quartered' for what they have done to this county - economically and emotionally. That there is no new/renewal candidate in the leadership battle shows that The Party are a spent force. They have nothing to say. Postman Pat (AJ) still defending the indefensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashConnoisseur Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) What are those grills for in the back of the bench? Is that how they keep them under control by pumping gas into the chamber? Edited July 10, 2010 by CrashConnoisseur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) What are those grills for in the back of the bench? Is that how they keep them under control by pumping gas into the chamber? Maybe. Edited July 10, 2010 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sillybear2 Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 They're speakers, the dear old Lords are often faint of hearing, so you often see them their lugs to those grills... or asleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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