Jump to content
House Price Crash Forum
Sign in to follow this  
blankster

Should All Local Authorities Be Made Single Tier?

Recommended Posts

I live in an area where we have a county council and a district council, but the neighbouring councils are now single-tier. I know single tier councils aren't necessarily efficient and it costs money in the short term to change to single tier, but surely making all councils single tier would save on a lot of duplication - especially in terms of admin.

People argue that going single-tier, especially for rural counties, means less local accountability. But single-tier, (unitary) authorities would be free to organise their operations in local management units, thus preserving local relevance.

In reality, two-tier local government is usually 3-tier, while unitary is usually 2-tier because we don't normally include town / parish / neighbourhood councils. I would advocate retaining these and possibly transferring some powers down to them, like some planning decisions e.g. alterations, extensions, small residential developments.

Edited by blankster

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Would that help out Somerset County Council, who currently have debts of £400 million?

£400 million of debt for a county council? A third of council receipts (council tax, rates, etc) goes on servicing the debt and interest - why was it allowed to grow so big? Someone should be investigating!

Yes, single-tier would, in theory, save funds, particularly wages, but is it necessarily best for the area for everything to be decided at the county town? There's the danger that the county town would get the lion's share of available funds as that is where the councillors and council staff work....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If all LAs became a single tier the mooshes on the bottom will want paying too. District boys and gals are all on well over 100k a year (some are paid much more than the PM) whereas local councillors get a few quid expenses for showing up to town meetings.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If all LAs became a single tier the mooshes on the bottom will want paying too. District boys and gals are all on well over 100k a year (some are paid much more than the PM) whereas local councillors get a few quid expenses for showing up to town meetings.

Who are the people on over £100k a year?

Councillors (county and district) get between around £3k and £8k a year depending on the authority with some additional expenses on top.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If all LAs became a single tier the mooshes on the bottom will want paying too.

Not really, because those councils would cease to exist

There was a programme to make most councils single-tier; one of the first things the new govt did was scrap it and reverse almost all the abolitions already in the pipeline. Pesky locals couldn't always be trusted to vote the right way, you see.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why should Oldham have a separate countil to Manchester/rochdale/bury etc.

You could save £££ by cutting them and having one council to deal with all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Who are the people on over £100k a year?

Councillors (county and district) get between around £3k and £8k a year depending on the authority with some additional expenses on top.

Here is one little piggy at the trough, albeit a "chief" councillor, on almost 200k. There are a lot more council workers out there on as much, if not more (250k was reported last year for a councillor in East Anglia somewhere):

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2010/01/15/council-chief-to-get-more-than-pm/

Council chief to get more than PM

Friday 15th January 2010, 11:30AM GMT.

The new chief executive of Staffordshire County Council will be paid more than the Prime Minister, with a basic salary of £195,000.

Nick Bell was named yesterday as the new head of the authority. He is currently deputy chief executive at Essex County Council.

In addition to the salary, he will receive allowances and additional payments.

Gordon Brown received £192,000 for his work as an MP and Prime Minister.

Council leader Philip Atkins defended the salary today claiming it was below the market rate. He said: “Staffordshire County Council is a £1.24 billion organisation and the eighth largest authority in the country.

“We needed to attract the very best of candidates to head an authority that provides essential services to 830,000 people with a workforce of 28,000.

“This salary is set below the market rate and is less than chief executive salaries of other similar sized authorities.”

Mr Bell will take over from current chief Ron Hilton in April. Mr Hilton’s basic salary was £192,000.

Edited by Realistbear

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

“We needed to attract the very best of candidates to head an authority that provides essential services to 830,000 people with a workforce of 28,000.

I guess that means 28,000 people are working and 800,000 are doing nothing :)

Edited by VeryMeanReversion

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here is one little piggy at the trough, albeit a "chief" councillor, on almost 200k.

That' a unitary authority, no ?

if you get rid of district councils you get more of the big ones and lose the myriad little ones employing 3-500 people where the Chief Exec gets about 60k. It may be cheaper, overall, or not.

An that's not an ad for a councillor, BTW.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here is one little piggy at the trough, albeit a "chief" councillor, on almost 200k. There are a lot more council workers out there on as much, if not more (250k was reported last year for a councillor in East Anglia somewhere):

Sorry thought you meant elected members (councillors) rather than employees.

When I worked for a council about 5 years ago the chief exec was made reduandant in a reshuffle, some rule exists that on the board of directors of a council one of them has to hold an accounting qualification in order to sign off the accounts, they advertised for someone to fit this profile but nobody applied.....so they made the existing chief accountant the Chief Executive and doubled his pay to £100k.

He didn't have a clue what to do (although to be fair it seemed to not actually make any difference postive or negative!) - but stuck it out for 2 years then retired on a whopping final salary pension!

Chief officers in councils are ceremonial roles, front line staff don't see what they do, and to be honest I'm not sure they know what they do apart from "liase".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It seems to be increasingly the case that the small-to-medium councils are not replacing Chief Execs. The big councils have them, and they do much the same job as the CEO of a large company. But I agree - for the tiddlers it's probably not needed. With increasing moves to share services and support across councils, the workforces were anyway shrinking even before the latest cuts.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Would that help out Somerset County Council, who currently have debts of £400 million?

£400 million of debt for a county council? A third of council receipts (council tax, rates, etc) goes on servicing the debt and interest - why was it allowed to grow so big? Someone should be investigating!

Yes, single-tier would, in theory, save funds, particularly wages, but is it necessarily best for the area for everything to be decided at the county town? There's the danger that the county town would get the lion's share of available funds as that is where the councillors and council staff work....

They are socially collecting thru local taxation then quietly 'privatising' all services/debts into the hands of their mates!

Your local police force could be owned by an Austrian Kaiser!

http://www.pfiexposed.co.uk/2010/05/24/116m-avon-and-somerset-police-pfi-project-is-put-on-hold/

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • 146 Brexit, House prices and Summer 2020

    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


      • down 5% +
      • down 2.5%
      • Even
      • up 2.5%
      • up 5%



×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.