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Bbc Daytime Property Porn Criticised By Trust

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jul/05/bbc-daytime

Daytime output on BBC1 and BBC2 attracted particularly scathing criticism, with the trust saying the BBC had fallen short of audience expectations and calling for more "quality and ambition".

Public consultation showed that some viewers felt BBC daytime had too many of the type of shows characterised by the trust as "'collectible hunting' and property".

These include Car Booty, Bargain Hunt, Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is, Homes Under the Hammer, To Buy or Not to Buy and Cash in the Attic.

The trust said: "One of the strongest themes from our public consultation is that some viewers believe parts of our schedules on each channel lack quality and have become too weighted towards long-running factual entertainment strands with similar formats and covering similar subject areas, characterised as 'collectible hunting' and property. "The trust said it would ask BBC management to improve daytime programming and report back in the autumn.

BBC1 generally should more "ambitious and distinctive", according to the trust. The BBC's flagship TV network was also criticised for offering a narrower range of output in peaktime.

Edit: Daily Heil article

The Trust also pointed out flaws in daytime programming, which it said was harming the BBC's reputation.

Although it shied away from naming particular programmes, the criticism puts the spotlight on titles like Homes Under The Hammer, Cash In The Attic and Bargain Hunt.

The shows are a staple of the daytime schedule, broadcast on BBC1 every weekday before 1pm.

'Viewers believe parts of the schedule on each channel lack quality and have become too weighted towards long-running factual entertainment strands with similar formats and covering similar subject areas, characterised as 'collectibles hunting' and property,' the Trust said.

'While these programmes are popular, audiences have told us that the quantity of these programmes have made some parts of the BBC's daytime schedule seem too formulaic and derivative.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1292199/BBC-Trust-criticises-BBC1-lack-fresh-new-shows.html#ixzz0spqSkbng

Edited by Saving For a Space Ship

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They really are 'on the ball', the BBC, aren't they?

They reached total saturation of property porn at about ....oh.... I'd say the turn of the millennium. Then from 2000 to 2010, ten years of non-stop incessant property ramping., Now with Britain on the edge of financial ruin and housing related social problems that will blight generations for decades to come, and they're asking BBC management to look at it, and report back in the Autumn.

Oh and three years after the bubble burst too!

What foresight...! What talent ..! What creative genius at the BBC!

The BBC crucified itself on the very housing ladder it worshipped years ago. It's reputation is irretrievable now.

Edited by worst time buyer

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What foresight...! What talent ..! What creative genius at the BBC!

The report is welcome but long, long, long overdue.

What vested interests!

:lol:

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Yet, they still don't have the balls to do something about it

(from original Guardian article)

Responding to the BBC Trust's criticism in its review of BBC1 and BBC2's service licence of "collectible hunting" shows, the spokesman said that did not necessarily mean programmes such as Cash in the Attic, Car Booty, Bargain Hunt and To Buy or Not to Buy would no longer be screened. "We need to see what that means for the schedule," he added.

I just googled to try and look at the history of UK property porn and was suprised that there was no proper Wiki entry just a Wiktionary entry. Someone need to get on it.

I notice that Martin Lewis updated his blog on the subject last year..

Property Porn.. revisiting a hypnotised nation…

How many household-name property pundits, interior designers & home experts can you name? Now the same for city or personal finance journalists? For all but extreme money nerds, I suspect the first group outnumbers the latter by 5-1 or more.

This discrepancy is important: I’ve just given an academic journal an interview on economic decline, and the role of financial journalists in the crash. Much of it wasn’t 100% relevant (it was more about City/Business journalism), but there were some interesting questions.

While I think my own sector has done some soul searching, one that rankled slightly was about financial journalists’ role in the housing crash, and 125% mortgages. I was asked “Did you warn people?” Of course, like many other journalists, I constantly wrote and broadcast about the dangers of over-borrowing, taking too much out, and the risk of moving credit cards onto your mortgage, never mind the fact house prices are uncertain (see this blog).

Yet the bigger issue here is that the influence wasn’t with us then (and questionably still isn’t now); the TV property shows are far more influential and numerous, hence the volume of household names. Where’s the academic study into the range of influence & lessons learned by them, and those behind the programmes?

Even back in 2006 when house prices were booming, this was obvious. Here’s my Nation Hypnotised By Property Porn blog from September 2006…. on just such an issue… I’ve reprinted it below…

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Here's the rather brief BBC Article on the story

BBC daytime programmes come under fire

BBC One and Two's daytime programming has been criticised for "lacking quality" and being too similar.

Long-running antiques and property shows make viewing "too formulaic and derivative", audiences have told the BBC Trust.

The BBC's governing body has said it is concerned that the broadcaster's reputation will suffer as a result.

It is supporting moves to invest money in more original drama and consumer affairs programming.

Factual entertainment and the amount of drama acquired from other sources, including from abroad, would decrease as a result.

The Trust is also urging BBC bosses to look at further ways of improving the quality and distinctiveness of the daytime output.

Shows which are under scrutiny include Cash In The Attic, Homes Under The Hammer and Bargain Hunt, which are regularly featured in the weekday daytime schedules.

The Trust, which published its review on BBC One, Two and Four, acknowledged that the programmes are popular, but said viewers had objected to how often they are shown.

It concluded that BBC bosses still faced a "significant challenge" in meeting this objective.

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We have the recession TV

Mary Queen of Shops

Hotel Inspector (I think she inspects hotels and tells them how crap they are)

(There was some big house version of this too but can't think what that was called - was that Mary Portas again?)

New one:

The fairy jobs mother... (finding doleys a job)

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Fishy Tails from Westminster -

New series of "Flippa's clean moat" and then "Flippa's New Adventure"

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And now for the good news ...... :lol:

Goodbye Declan, you property ramping, rotund retard!

Link

It also says

Comedy in the BBC daytime schedules is practically non-existent.

That's right. We get tragedy instead.

Edited by Dave Spart

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One of my friends is a civil engineer, and would quite like to see a few more programs about concrete!

Camp antiques dealers, and estate agents have had their day! :huh:

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I think there should be more programs on stuff like enterprise, the law and languages to name but a few.

I was looking up old videos of Crown Court on Youtube. For those who don't know, Crown Court was a genuinely excellent programme shown by ITV weekdays. It was both a gripping drama and an education. The whole show was acted except the jury who were real members of the public who delivered the verdict.

Thumping introductory theme (Janacek, Sinfonietta, 4th movement) set the stern atmosphere the show deserved - a million miles from the bright and bouncy banality we've been drip fed for the last ten years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Court_(TV_series)

Incidentally there was an inventions and innovations show being shown on BBC1 weekday evenings in the early 2000's. Good show, showed some people at least were thinking originally and creatively. The show soon disappeared to give way to . . . ? You guessed it : Property Porn. Pathetic. :angry:

PS If the Trust were reporting not just on the BBC but on Britain's mainstream channels doubtless they would have included Krusty in their criticisms. ;)

Edited by Dave Spart

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New programme concept -  "BBC under the hammer"

Each week bits of the BBC are smashed/broken off and then sold off to the private sector.

Episode 1 - "Flogging the senior Execs", clearly we could get good money for those, apparently they are worth 80% more in the commercial sector.

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I was hoping it was going to refer to the fact that they repeat ones from 2006/2007 and generally show people making a profit....

I don't think it helps that they have so many channels to fill - last night there were some shockers on BBC3, presented by ex pop stars, one called "Snog, Marry, Avoid" about giving people a "make-under" and one called "Hotter than my Daughter" or something which was about make-overs. My husband couldn't believe it when I told him it was the BBC, they were that bad!

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I was hoping it was going to refer to the fact that they repeat ones from 2006/2007 and generally show people making a profit....

I don't think it helps that they have so many channels to fill - last night there were some shockers on BBC3, presented by ex pop stars, one called "Snog, Marry, Avoid" about giving people a "make-under" and one called "Hotter than my Daughter" or something which was about make-overs. My husband couldn't believe it when I told him it was the BBC, they were that bad!

Good point, it's heavily diluted tv content, spread too thin, compared to the old days.

Amongst those who cannot afford high house prices, or have been repo'd for overstretching the finances, property porn stars have the most widespread influence, that is repeated to death. 'Property Propaganda' may be a better term for it.

.......Proporganda,........,Propor-gander ?

They have fuk'd us all..

Perhaps Hpc'ers need to bombard the Bbc board with requests to have a debate about the future of daytime tv on 'Question Time' (ok, i know it's sh!te) or Newsnight / Radio 4

Maybe even Krusty, Phil or her spokespersons will turn up for the debate with FP........ ;)

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Edited by Saving For a Space Ship

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There is a definite change of direction with the new government.

Leeching b**tards out. Money for nothing out. Property ramping...out.

40% cuts. Pension Cuts. Golden handshake cuts.

Car industry support cut.

Rents cut.

Benefits cut.

Electoral Reform in.

Austerity in.

Keep it up.

Someone has finally woken up and are bringing the dreamers back down to earth.

I somehow dont think property is going to shoot up 10% every year for the next decade :lol::lol::lol:

Edited by TheCountOfNowhere

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Trouble with the BBC is that the only content they have concentrated on in the last decade has been property porn

Now that this bloated excuse of a "public service" is finally having its funding questioned, we have the delightful repeats of property porn, in all it's glory, on the hour every hour every friggin day

close the scamming, socialists down with immediate effect I say

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Trouble with the BBC is that the only content they have concentrated on in the last decade has been property porn

Now that this bloated excuse of a "public service" is finally having its funding questioned, we have the delightful repeats of property porn, in all it's glory, on the hour every hour every friggin day

close the scamming, socialists down with immediate effect I say

Could they replace it with 'poverty porn' for a while until the heat dies down ?

I think the BBC did this as a token gesture a few years ago, when beat the baliff etc came out

Best of the bunch imo was

Most were superficial tripe with Dominic micro / slap head/ i'm in everything on daytime tv / whats is face

I know it's C4, but this was from 6 months ago......'Grim Designs' ?

India accuses Kevin McCloud of making 'poverty porn' in Mumbai slum programme

Diplomatic officials are preparing to lodge a complaint with Ofcom, the media watchdog, about the content of McCloud's Channel 4 series, Slumming It.

In the two-part documentary, the Grand Designs host visited Mumbai's squalid Dharavi slum. It showed children living amongst open sewers, dead rats and toxic waste, and residents scavenging on the city's rubbish dump.

Sources say the Indian High Commission in London granted a filming permit in the belief that McCloud was making a programme highlighting Mumbai's architectural history, and officials were horrified to see the end result.

"We thought it would be about the architecture of Mumbai but it was only about slums, nothing else. He was showing dirty sewage and dead rats, children playing amongst rubbish and people living in these small rooms. He never talked about architecture at all.

"This was poverty porn made to get ratings, and we are upset," the source said.

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The thing is its very very cheap to produce , requires no writing as such and people love to watch it , that's why its so popular, I don't think they should stop doing it as I think seeing people losing money makes just as good ( if not much better ) viewing so stopping the porn now is the worst possible of all outcomes.

I don't think these shows should be viewed with the same critical glasses as economics or finance progs but more on par with "come dine with me" where people love to watch other peoples poor taste and misfortune in the kitchen ...

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Nah, they're innit for the long term. In a few years' time they'll dredge through the archives and produce endless series of "You won't believe how stupid and greedy people used to be" shows, fronted by a second-rate washed-up comedian and his tall, blond, silent sidekick. It'll be wall-to-wall Phil'n'Krusty with a droll voice-over of "you'll never believe this bunch of prats..." as they ponce round some tarted-up lifestyle dream mansion. Cut to house as now, looking dingy and dated, occupied by bitter pensioned boomers lamenting how much money they wasted buying said pile that's become the financial liability it always was, when they could have saved the money for their retirement.

I think I should trademark that name - "DIngy'n'Dated, the New Property Makeover Show"; we'll show you how to knock down that useless extension you've never used that sucks all the heat out of your house. How to put back in partition walls so you can heat just the rooms you occupy, just like the Victorians did. How to clean and maintain 'designer' bathrooms so you don't have to buy a new one every few years when the limescale builds up, as there's no MEW to pay for it! "No Rodders, We're Not All Millionaires", followed by "My Mortgage Payments Cost Me My Sanity". Then there'll be "Homes From Hell", in which saggy ex-yuppies describe the horrors of watching their portfolios deflate, and programmes about sad pensioners huddled in one room of their Islington mansions, eating baked beans out of the tin warmed on top of a one-bar electric fire, moaning about their plight as "we're not going to give it away now are we, 'cos we're worth it".

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