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That is sad, I could not name a bad teacher from the school I was in back in the eighties, and a few were exceptional. What happened?

I don't think 'liking chidren' should be a concern for teachers, they are there to teach, not to like the little terrors.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1291927/Just-18-teachers-banned-40-years-despite-17-000-failing-staff-schools.html

'Only 18 teachers have been struck off for incompetence in the past 40 years, with heads simply palming under-performing

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good pay,good pension,job for life.imagine if this culture is mirrored across the NHS,Quango's,Councils,Universities,Civil Service etc etc.No wonder the Unions want them to strike.

It is mirrored. My associates in the PS tell me it is, the more realistic ones want these cuts to weed them out. Some of my friends have actually said they won't support any strikes if the cuts directly target those who have been protected in the past.

Fear not our Physics teacher will be along shortly to remonstrate with the class and tell is that Panorama is full of sh1t, a programme from the left leaning BBC lovies................

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The education system will never be fixed, neither by the Tories nor by NuFascist.

Because the very last thing the owners of this country want is a nation of well informed people capable of critical thinking. They don't want that. They want dumb, obedient, bovine slaves who will do menial jobs for crap pay and spend their free time in the malls buying stuff they don't need with money they don't have. And after they've spunked another few hundred pounds of bank created debt with their wallet full of plastic credit tokens, they want you to go home, switch on the tube and rot your brains watching 200 channels of garbage on TV or to read about Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears or Amy Winehouse's latest drunken escapade in some tacky magazine or journal masquerading as a newspaper. After a hard days work supporting the Keynesian debt dystopia, you can switch on the news and listen to the BBC spouting fairy tales about 'green shoots' and the bright future you have as brain dead morons.

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That is sad, I could not name a bad teacher from the school I was in back in the eighties, and a few were exceptional. What happened?

I don't think 'liking chidren' should be a concern for teachers, they are there to teach, not to like the little terrors.

Depends on the school, the closer to big northern cities the worse it gets - I've taught in 15 or so in the last 6months.

When you are abused hourly, interest fades quickly. The attitude is those that want to will, those that don't won't.

With no parental support the teacher is powerless.

Do you think some of the transgenerational benefit moms care about anything other than CB ?

A good chunk of state education is a joke.

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The education system will never be fixed, neither by the Tories nor by NuFascist.

Because the very last thing the owners of this country want is a nation of well informed people capable of critical thinking. They don't want that. They want dumb, obedient, bovine slaves who will do menial jobs for crap pay and spend their free time in the malls buying stuff they don't need with money they don't have. And after they've spunked another few hundred pounds of bank created debt with their wallet full of plastic credit tokens, they want you to go home, switch on the tube and rot your brains watching 200 channels of garbage on TV or to read about Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears or Amy Winehouse's latest drunken escapade in some tacky magazine or journal masquerading as a newspaper. After a hard days work supporting the Keynesian debt dystopia, you can switch on the news and listen to the BBC spouting fairy tales about 'green shoots' and the bright future you have as brain dead morons.

Q1. Pink Floyds seminal album 'the Wall', discuss (5000 words).

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It is mirrored. My associates in the PS tell me it is, the more realistic ones want these cuts to weed them out. Some of my friends have actually said they won't support any strikes if the cuts directly target those who have been protected in the past.

Fear not our Physics teacher will be along shortly to remonstrate with the class and tell is that Panorama is full of sh1t, a programme from the left leaning BBC lovies................

Private and public start with the same letter....:)

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Q1. Pink Floyds seminal album 'the Wall', discuss (5000 words).

Roger Walters may be an awkward sod with socialist leanings but much of what he says about the tragedy and insanity of mankind rings true, don't you think?

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Roger Walters may be an awkward sod with socialist leanings but much of what he says about the tragedy and insanity of mankind rings true, don't you think?

Yup. It's the mixture of this realisation, and the talent to put it across to the general public that makes him stand out. My issue with his ilk is that they don't produce a solution, just shine a light on the problem.

The people who could cure the problem of bad teachers, in my experience, were good teachers.....

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1291927/Just-18-teachers-banned-40-years-despite-17-000-failing-staff-schools.html

'Only 18 teachers have been struck off for incompetence in the past 40 years, with heads simply palming under-performing staff on to other schools.

The paltry number sits uncomfortably beside previous estimates that up to 17,000 failing teachers are working in schools.

Thirteen teachers in England have been struck off for gross professional incompetence, three in Wales and two in Scotland. None has gone in Northern Ireland.

A BBC Panorama investigation found heads are often too fearful to report incompetent staff because it could damage their school's reputation.

Instead, they offer good references in exchange for them looking for work in other state schools. It has led to a 'pass-the-parcel' system where bad teachers are simply ' recycled'.

Heads are meant to refer bad teachers to their local authority so they can undergo a 'competency review'. The General Teaching Council can then strike off those found to be incompetent.

But as few as 300 every year go through such a review - just 0.07 per cent of all teachers. Those struck off can often reapply to get back on the teaching register after two years, but must be approved by the GTC.

Former chief schools inspector Chris Woodhead suggested as many as 15,000 bad teach-ers are working, a figure disputed by unions.

But he told Panaroma that the figure was realistic as it made up less than 5 per cent of the 500,000 teachers in schools.

He said: 'You tell me a profession where there aren't 5 per cent, 10 per cent of members who are incompetent?

'The strange thing about the public sector in general and teaching in particular is that no one will admit that there is this problem.'

Mr Woodhead says an incompetent teacher is someone who cannot control a class, has a lack of understanding of their subjects or dislikes children.

Two years ago, the GTC's chief executive Keith Bartley said there could be as many as 17,000 ' substandard' teachers among the 500,000 registered in the UK'

good pay,good pension,job for life.imagine if this culture is mirrored across the NHS,Quango's,Councils,Universities,Civil Service etc etc.No wonder the Unions want them to strike.

Chris Woodhead is a total and utter cünt.

Under current law he'd be in jail.

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Chris Woodhead is a total and utter cünt.

Under current law he'd be in jail.

Why?

All he did was tell the truth about our rotten state education system and he was eventually forced to resign by pressure from Blunkett and the lefty teaching unions

Woodhead is particularly associated with support for "traditional teaching methods" and for taking a scornful view of "progressive educational theories" introduced into English schools from the 1960s onwards. - Wiki

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Yup. It's the mixture of this realisation, and the talent to put it across to the general public that makes him stand out. My issue with his ilk is that they don't produce a solution, just shine a light on the problem.

The people who could cure the problem of bad teachers, in my experience, were good teachers.....

Yes, totally agree

Pete Townsend had the same conclusion, acknowleding that rock music has failed miserably to awaken people to the fraud of politics

I listened to Won't Get Fooled Again so many times during the last election and realized that the nation was doing precisely that, getting duped

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Yes, totally agree

Pete Townsend had the same conclusion, acknowleding that rock music has failed miserably to awaken people to the fraud of politics

I listened to Won't Get Fooled Again so many times during the last election and realized that the nation was doing precisely that, getting duped

Could it be that anyone trying to change behaviour using a musical style evolved from the Delta Blues is doomed to failure? The Blues offers up no solutions, just shines a light on the cockroaches.

Think of a musical style that changed a whole nations way of thinking, and kept it that way. I can only think of pro-war jingo-istic examples.

Edit to bring this on-topic again, hopefully the cuts will bring about the demise of the teachers who have no real desire to improve the lives of their pupils, and improve the system as a whole. As they keep telling us in the private sector, we'll come out the other end of this process leaner and meaner!

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Why?

All he did was tell the truth about our rotten state education system and he was eventually forced to resign by pressure from Blunkett and the lefty teaching unions

He thinks it's ok to have sex with a pupil.

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Former chief schools inspector Chris Woodhead suggested as many as 15,000 bad teach-ers are working, a figure disputed by unions.

But he told Panaroma that the figure was realistic as it made up less than 5 per cent of the 500,000 teachers in schools.

He said: 'You tell me a profession where there aren't 5 per cent, 10 per cent of members who are incompetent

Reminds me of that line in Father Ted, when he's says "Theres 200 million priests in the world, only 5% are paedophiles, thats only 10 million paedophile priests."

Biggest problem i saw when i was at a state school was teachers unable to control children. Not much they can do about that, given they have no disciplining powers.

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Former chief schools inspector Chris Woodhead suggested as many as 15,000 bad teach-ers are working, a figure disputed by unions.

But he told Panaroma that the figure was realistic as it made up less than 5 per cent of the 500,000 teachers in schools.

He said: 'You tell me a profession where there aren't 5 per cent, 10 per cent of members who are incompetent

Reminds me of that line in Father Ted, when he's says "Theres 200 million priests in the world, only 5% are paedophiles, thats only 10 million paedophile priests."

Biggest problem i saw when i was at a state school was teachers unable to control children. Not much they can do about that, given they have no disciplining powers.

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Looks like Woodhead's ex wife wasn't too impressed with his extra curricular activities............................http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/317999.stm

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Chris Woodhead is a total and utter cünt.

Under current law he'd be in jail.

You may not like Chris woodheads past but then again who are you to talk... I'm sure you'll try and claim to be pure as the driven snow, but who really knows, maybe some nasties in your own life would emerge if a hrash media spotlight were shined on them... his past to one side however, I suspect , in fact I am sure his views on eduactaion are a lot more valid and informed than your own.

I for one am grateful for this whole process which has pointed out how difficult it appears to be for underperforming teachers to be removed... I'd favour an approach more akin to the public sector whereby the bottom performing say 2% of teachers are highlighted each year ( in the private secotr they'd simply be fired) but recognising the training etc I'd say go down a challenge process whereby they are given additional training over the summer holidays ( not paid anymore for it) and any teacher who doesn't want to go through it or whose performance doesn't imporve after say three consequecutive summers are then ditched.... we'll find only a small proportion want to go through the process.

At the other end though I would also recognise that discipline in schools does need massively tightening up and I'd pretty quickly want to see trouble makers taken out of mainstream education... there comes a time when we have to recognise that if their own parents are encouraging trouble, their friends are encouraging trouble and they have gone too far down the slippery slope to be helped by mainstream education then theres simply no point in retaining them in the system to muck up everyones elses quality of education.... take them out and find a different system that works for them.... millitary style schooling..... tailor interest based training .. whatever.

recognise that some teachers have unenvieable jobs sure but don't not have a control process to weed out/improve the underperformers..... getting education right now defines the growth etc we'll have in the next twenty years.... get it wrong and we'll be spending on billions in benefits, get it right and taxes can be cut as growth kicks in.

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Depends on the school, the closer to big northern cities the worse it gets - I've taught in 15 or so in the last 6months.

When you are abused hourly, interest fades quickly. The attitude is those that want to will, those that don't won't.

With no parental support the teacher is powerless.

Do you think some of the transgenerational benefit moms care about anything other than CB ?

A good chunk of state education is a joke.

Yep. Mirrors my experience.

There's not really any point in saying anything because vested interests will scream blue murder if you tell them the truth.

Here are my "truths" from teaching in secondary schools.

1) Mixed ability classes do not work. In anything. At all. Not even Home Economics or Art. They waste pupils' potential and, in my view, can reduce marks by as much as an entire grade or more.

2) Some pupils just need to be removed from the environment (be it a class or the school itself) on a permanent basis. No ifs or buts; no going back.

3) The poorest teachers also tend to be the ones that endorse mixed ability classes and fight for disruptive pupils to stay in classes where they cause havoc. They are also the teachers that confuse teaching with parenting.

4) There is absolutely no reason why a "comprehensive" school cannot run a grammar and a technical stream within its own institution -- but this would require getting rid of mixed ability classes, which seems to be a demonic notion to some teachers and managers. It is utterly ridiculous for a 15 year old whose academic abilities are a bit flaky, but who can rebuild a car from scratch has to sit in a Technology class with pupils that don't even know what a screwdriver is.

5) There is absolutely no reason why 99 percent of children in this country cannot excel at a number of subjects be they traditional academic subjects, technical subjects or a variety of both.

6) Most of the National Curriculum for English and the topics set for GCSEs, IGCSEs and A' level English language and literature, and the exam papers themselves, are totally pointless, pious, boring, middle-aged, middle-class, pc-obsessed utter pants, and turns pupils away from ever exploring literature, drama or language in later life.

7) The way we teach foreign languages in schools is rubbish.

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Yep. Mirrors my experience.

There's not really any point in saying anything because vested interests will scream blue murder if you tell them the truth.

Here are my "truths" from teaching in secondary schools.

1) Mixed ability classes do not work. In anything. At all. Not even Home Economics or Art. They waste pupils' potential and, in my view, can reduce marks by as much as an entire grade or more.

2) Some pupils just need to be removed from the environment (be it a class or the school itself) on a permanent basis. No ifs or buts; no going back.

3) The poorest teachers also tend to be the ones that endorse mixed ability classes and fight for disruptive pupils to stay in classes where they cause havoc. They are also the teachers that confuse teaching with parenting.

4) There is absolutely no reason why a "comprehensive" school cannot run a grammar and a technical stream within its own institution -- but this would require getting rid of mixed ability classes, which seems to be a demonic notion to some teachers and managers. It is utterly ridiculous for a 15 year old whose academic abilities are a bit flaky, but who can rebuild a car from scratch has to sit in a Technology class with pupils that don't even know what a screwdriver is.

5) There is absolutely no reason why 99 percent of children in this country cannot excel at a number of subjects be they traditional academic subjects, technical subjects or a variety of both.

6) Most of the National Curriculum for English and the topics set for GCSEs, IGCSEs and A' level English language and literature, and the exam papers themselves, are totally pointless, pious, boring, middle-aged, middle-class, pc-obsessed utter pants, and turns pupils away from ever exploring literature, drama or language in later life.

7) The way we teach foreign languages in schools is rubbish.

The state education system is DESIGNED TO FAIL

I have seen so many kids futures destroyed by state education. It is utterly shameful but entirely deliberate

Most teachers have no idea that the system they espouse is deliberately designed to wreck the lives of millions.

The last thing the ruling elite in this country want is well educated people capable of critical thinking.

It really is as simple as that I'm afraid.

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The state education system is DESIGNED TO FAIL

I have seen so many kids futures destroyed by state education. It is utterly shameful but entirely deliberate

Most teachers have no idea that the system they espouse is deliberately designed to wreck the lives of millions.

The last thing the ruling elite in this country want is well educated people capable of critical thinking.

It really is as simple as that I'm afraid.

You mean the UK system.

Finland regularly comes out on top of global standard tables.

Not surprisingly, they do everything different from the UK.

No league tables, no streaming, all kids go to local schools, and not until they are seven, everybody gets high quality free meals, no tuition fees.

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You mean the UK system.

Finland regularly comes out on top of global standard tables.

Not surprisingly, they do everything different from the UK.

No league tables, no streaming, all kids go to local schools, and not until they are seven, everybody gets high quality free meals, no tuition fees.

Finland is a very different set of circumstances, a completely different society and culture with very different expectations. For a start, they don't have a significant number of children starting local schools unable to speak the national language, and, because they start later, almost all pupils are already toilet-trained, can eat using utensils and already have some basic literacy and numeracy skills.

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Finland is a very different set of circumstances, a completely different society and culture with very different expectations. For a start, they don't have a significant number of children starting local schools unable to speak the national language, and, because they start later, almost all pupils are already toilet-trained, can eat using utensils and already have some basic literacy and numeracy skills.

So it's all down to a different culture and fewer darkies?

Plenty of other countries where everybody speaks the national language.

Why didn't they do as well?

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Hope you don't mind if I wish the same good news upon your own fair self. :angry:

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I for one am grateful for this whole process which has pointed out how difficult it appears to be for underperforming teachers to be removed.

Isn't the way it works in practice even worse.

From what I hear the total wasters tend to get promoted out of harms way whilst the good teachers get overlooked because they're too valuble where they are.

If you wanted to design a system to totally destroy morale I don't think you could do any better.

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So it's all down to a different culture and fewer darkies?

Plenty of other countries where everybody speaks the national language.

Why didn't they do as well?

You do presume a lot, Barry, I must say.

Similar issues have been noted in countries where there are significant differences between local dialects or regional versions of a language, and the "official" or "formal" version of the language that tends to be used in school and higher education and used in the media. A lot of Arabic countries have this issue (indeed, it has been suggested that the issue prevents social mobility and supports "illiteracy" in these countries in a similar way to how the use of Latin in Medieval Europe "supported" illiteracy amongst the populace), as do certain European countries where regional dialect is so different from the standard national form that it constitutes a language of its own (for example, Cypriot Greek). In fact, I seem to remember reading that language deviation used to be a bit of a problem in primary education in Yorkshire in the 19th century.

Finland is unusual in that it places a lot of emphasis on speaking the language (if you migrate to Finland, you have to legally take regular lessons in Finnish and, if you refuse, they will reconsider your status), the teachers have postgraduate degrees, discipline bottom lines are strict (which allows an easier, more relaxed ethos in the classroom) and the culture itself is one of continual learning throughout your life (they have some of the highest rates of parent-child reading in Europe I think).

Culture and language cannot be underestimated when it comes to educational achievement in the young -- indeed, it has been suggested that the reason why Chinese children tend to be better at maths than Western European children is possibly because the language (can't remember which one it is now) expresses numerical concepts in a more logical fashion.

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