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I was later to the pub, but they where still there............."rushed" so not much time, but Bloody Hell!

Been told to plan the cuts.......not 25-40%...........40-60% !!!!!!

The contract people have sussed that in Dec they are getting sacked........after being told that they would be kept on.

The Contract people are now doing bugger all, late, or just not coming in.

Some "VERY" big news about just what Gordo & co have been hidding to go public very soon?

Mike

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I was later to the pub, but they where still there............."rushed" so not much time, but Bloody Hell!

Been told to plan the cuts.......not 25-40%...........40-60% !!!!!!

The contract people have sussed that in Dec they are getting sacked........after being told that they would be kept on.

The Contract people are now doing bugger all, late, or just not coming in.

Some "VERY" big news about just what Gordo & co have been hidding to go public very soon?

Mike

Is there something one can do to have them sacked right now if that's their reaction?

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I was later to the pub, but they where still there............."rushed" so not much time, but Bloody Hell!

Been told to plan the cuts.......not 25-40%...........40-60% !!!!!!

The contract people have sussed that in Dec they are getting sacked........after being told that they would be kept on.

The Contract people are now doing bugger all, late, or just not coming in.

Some "VERY" big news about just what Gordo & co have been hidding to go public very soon?

Mike

What like spending as much of next years' budget as possible this year?

If this has happened (have heard a few second hand tales) then effectively anyone that has, has rightly spent themselves out of a job next year. P

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If all of these "whispers" are true, two things will be announced shortly :

1. Historical reports of GDP are wrong and growth has been overstated.

2. Not all government debt has been accurately reported.

If our outgoing government have been as devious with the public accounts as the previous Greek government, we are in for a rough ride.

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If our outgoing government have been as devious with the public accounts as the previous Greek government, we are in for a rough ride.

'If'? 'If'?

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'If'? 'If'?

Until we have evidence, yes. I expect the evidence to be forthcoming shortly but I am willing at accept that I might not be right.

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I am so glad that I have another passport!

I have more than one other passport.

The thing that I most like about it is that it makes paying tax and taking on accumulated state obligations in any particular regime voluntary.

It is as close to Injin-land as an individual can possibly reach in the real world. It gives some protection against the use of particularly horrendous force by one state although it doesn't offer any protection against all states acting similarly (I expect that the purists would state that force is binary and not continuous : I agree with them in theory but appreciate the difference in reality).

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If all of these "whispers" are true, two things will be announced shortly :

1. Historical reports of GDP are wrong and growth has been overstated.

2. Not all government debt has been accurately reported.

If our outgoing government have been as devious with the public accounts as the previous Greek government, we are in for a rough ride.

Greek or Hungarian?

Problem is, Greek is currently ruled by Panhellenic Socialist Movement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Greece

whereas Hungary is under Conservative rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Hungary

I suspect Greek govt is less inclined to actually implement austerity than Hungarian.

But its was previous Hungarian Socialist Party govt which called in the IMF and got bailed out with $24Bn package.

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I was later to the pub, but they where still there............."rushed" so not much time, but Bloody Hell!

Been told to plan the cuts.......not 25-40%...........40-60% !!!!!!

The contract people have sussed that in Dec they are getting sacked........after being told that they would be kept on.

The Contract people are now doing bugger all, late, or just not coming in.

Some "VERY" big news about just what Gordo & co have been hidding to go public very soon?

Mike

Oh more didums, (private sector) management have been doing this to us for years, they say they want 10% cut in fixed costs, but when you look at it, rates are fixed rent is fixed, depreciation is fixed, so the lines on the accounts that you can actually effect, have to be cut by 20-30% to achieve the over all 10% target.

Welcome to the big boys world, ladies.

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I was later to the pub, but they where still there............."rushed" so not much time, but Bloody Hell!

Been told to plan the cuts.......not 25-40%...........40-60% !!!!!!

The contract people have sussed that in Dec they are getting sacked........after being told that they would be kept on.

The Contract people are now doing bugger all, late, or just not coming in.

Some "VERY" big news about just what Gordo & co have been hidding to go public very soon?

Mike

Details, details?!

What I find astonishing is that public servants have such benign payoffs if the govt of the day wants to 'let them go'. If I am running my business, as I do, now earning 30% less than before, were to go bust, then I can lose everything. No pension, no pay off or redundancy, bankruptcy proceedings even. All this so I can employ people and that we all pay our taxes to contribute to govt spending and, yes, pay for publicly employed persons.

If a civil servant has to go, then they loses their job. For most, they will be entitled to mortgage interest being paid and benefits until another job is found. For older ones it may be worse, but not as bad as those who risk everything to pay for themselves and employ others. I have employed over 35 people during the last 2 decades. About 2 years ago the crunch struck and it has been reduced to nearly half. Paying redundancy to others when your own neck is on the line is no fun!

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Greek or Hungarian?

Problem is, Greek is currently ruled by Panhellenic Socialist Movement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Greece

whereas Hungary is under Conservative rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Hungary

I suspect Greek govt is less inclined to actually implement austerity than Hungarian.

But its was previous Hungarian Socialist Party govt which called in the IMF and got bailed out with $24Bn package.

Governments appear to be religious about lying and agnostic with respect to where the lying government sits on the political spectrum.

Once the situation gets bad enough, governments finally have to deal with the problems without regard to their place on the political spectrum.

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Oh more didums, (private sector) management have been doing this to us for years, they say they want 10% cut in fixed costs, but when you look at it, rates are fixed rent is fixed, depreciation is fixed, so the lines on the accounts that you can actually effect, have to be cut by 20-30% to achieve the over all 10% target.

Welcome to the big boys world, ladies.

Ahem. The term 'contract' staff means these workers have been engaged from the private sector

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Ahem. The term 'contract' staff means these workers have been engaged from the private sector

Ahem. If it cannot be afforded or is not adding value it gets cut, 'tis the way of the private sector, welcome to its ethos.

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Ahem. The term 'contract' staff means these workers have been engaged from the private sector

They should be sacked, public or private, if they are not pulling their weight.

I work as a contractor in the Private sector and would not dream of behaving like that.

Edit to add: From what I see of Public sector contracts, they are so badly designed they allow some people to get away with this. Where I work, I am expected to deliver , or go. Seems fair to me.

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Oh more didums, (private sector) management have been doing this to us for years, they say they want 10% cut in fixed costs, but when you look at it, rates are fixed rent is fixed, depreciation is fixed, so the lines on the accounts that you can actually effect, have to be cut by 20-30% to achieve the over all 10% target.

Welcome to the big boys world, ladies.

You are comparing apples and oranges when looking at the public and private sector.

The private sector is driven by profit, when I worked for a small company selling industrial equipment we had rules about how much time we could spend trying to win customers. If they were only after 1 x £70 product for a one off event it simply wasn't worth our time to visit the site etc etc. Only you are making the rules and if you fail you fail.

In the public sector they have a service to deliver regardless of whether it makes sense or not. I always say when I quote for work that the product I am selling will probably not make much commercial sense however it will make sure everything is recorded, they can produce the reports that are required and it will make the whole process more efficient. No business would ever work like this but no business is subject to the outside influences the public sector are.

I've put many anecdotes on here in the past about just plain crazy things that my public sector clients are told to do by central government - everytime the government caves into the latest public lynchmob it causes a massive ripple effect. At the moment I'm going round uninstalling public sector systems because of muddled data security rules, and on different days I'm installing the same systems in private clients offices who have had data security experts sign off that the system is fine

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Ahem. If it cannot be afforded or is not adding value it gets cut, 'tis the way of the private sector, welcome to its ethos.

You seem to be under the impression that the public sector can do whatever it likes.

I very much doubt any council would ever choose to get involved with half the stuff they are obliged to under the law of this country if they were given the choice.

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