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After 13 years of the statists bankrupting us, destroying our freedom and re-distributing wealth from the productive to the nonproductive;

What do the Libertarians on here make of the new government?

I'm pretty damn impressed so far.

- Takling wasteful spending.

- Removing pointless laws and regulations.

- Promoting the only sector that creates wealth for the nation.

I know its not Ron Paul and Peter Schiff, but at least its a step in the right direction.

Thoughts? Socialists need not reply.

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Pretty crap.

They haven't mentioned

legalising drugs and prostitution

returning the land to it's rightful owners

reducing taxation for workers

getting the money bank from the bankers

removing planning laws

PS Have you got bored with your other ID?

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I'm reserving judgement until i see this grand reppeal bill or whatever they're calling it, and the actual substance of the spending review in the autumn.

Lots of encouraging noises though. Biggest concern is the EU.

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Pretty good so far.

Budget was much more impressive than I expected.. honestly didn't think they would have the balls.

Talk of repealing laws, asking the public's opinion on issues, giving people the opportunity to run their own schools.. generally making noises about giving a bit more power to the people rather than central office dictates on everything,

So far so good for libertarians I would say.

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Schools was good.

The Personal allowance going up is also good, but they need to get rid of NI and amalgamate it with income tax now.

I would like to see them, carry the same philosophy over to the NHS and local Govt.

The great repeal bill needs to be seen, and I am waiting for more local referenda on local issues.

They need to sort out the benefits trap though - that will be a toughie. The uprating by CPI could be one of the best "tough love" measures seen. Slow but inexorable effect.

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Pretty good so far.

Budget was much more impressive than I expected.. honestly didn't think they would have the balls.

Talk of repealing laws, asking the public's opinion on issues, giving people the opportunity to run their own schools.. generally making noises about giving a bit more power to the people rather than central office dictates on everything,

So far so good for libertarians I would say.

Yes and the speed of getting down to business. No fuking around waiting for consultation with unions and crap like that.

We are in a huge hole and this what we are going to do to fix it attitude.

I'm convinced our AAA status would be on the line now if the statists were back in power.

So far the Lib-Con set is taking the best of civil liberties, freedom from a repressive state and pragmatic economic policies.

The nation may just have a chance after the previous muppets in charge.

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I didn't vote for the coalition but so far I've been impressed with their rhetoric.

They at least seem to get some of the arguments, Nulabour - like most socialists- are so divorced from reality that it renders communication impossible, you cannot reason with madmen.

I would quite like to create a thread charting their monthly deficit figures and comparing them to NuLabours, it would be a proper litmus test imo.

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As a somewhat free market libertarian (though pragmatic) ive been very dissapointed on their immigration stance.

A level of price of entry for long term residence should be decided by market forces.

Why are we letting immigrants in for free given they often pay traffikers £20k plus to get in. That should be OUR money to go on reducing other taxes.

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After 13 years of the statists bankrupting us, destroying our freedom and re-distributing wealth from the productive to the nonproductive;

What do the Libertarians on here make of the new government?

I'm pretty damn impressed so far.

- Takling wasteful spending.

- Removing pointless laws and regulations.

- Promoting the only sector that creates wealth for the nation.

I know its not Ron Paul and Peter Schiff, but at least its a step in the right direction.

Thoughts? Socialists need not reply.

Bit of a waste of space. Even the part cave-in to the Redwood-Davis CGT subsidy for BTL brigade shows they are just the same old Tories ... out to feather the nests of the upper-middle-class and above with no coherent philosophy for creation of a fair and equitable society. The fact Cameron bandies the word 'fairness' about in every speech he makes is just cover for the absence of real effort in that direction.

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WTF is a libertarian?

What some of the sheep-like keyboard warriors on here think they are.

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Bit of a waste of space. Even the part cave-in to the Redwood-Davis CGT subsidy for BTL brigade shows they are just the same old Tories ... out to feather the nests of the upper-middle-class and above with no coherent philosophy for creation of a fair and equitable society. The fact Cameron bandies the word 'fairness' about in every speech he makes is just cover for the absence of real effort in that direction.

Like all ideological governments this one is doomed to fail.I intend to vote for FPTP just to spite Clegg.I preferred him when he was helping that scruffy little fella slide down hills in a bathtub on sunday nights.

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WTF is a libertarian?

Someone who believes that the individual should be left as free from interference as possible. In governmental/political terms that means small govt, (since govt taxation is not voluntary) and free market wherever it is possible.

Edit - It also includes getting things to be decided by local referendums as much as posible and restricting the power of government to its absolute lowest limit.

Edit - Milton Friedman is pretty much the leading libertarian figure of the 20th century in my mind.

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After 13 years of the statists bankrupting us, destroying our freedom and re-distributing wealth from the productive to the nonproductive;

What do the Libertarians on here make of the new government?

I'm pretty damn impressed so far.

- Takling wasteful spending.

- Removing pointless laws and regulations.

- Promoting the only sector that creates wealth for the nation.

I know its not Ron Paul and Peter Schiff, but at least its a step in the right direction.

Thoughts? Socialists need not reply.

Pretty impress given what government setup to do without triggering a riot or see their opinion poll rating plumnet to zero.

VAT is a slight disappointment but I can swallow that. Now of course we need to see what they actually do.

However, when taken to the extreme, neither left or right wing ideology works.

For a few...

'For it is an essential difference between capitalist and socialist production that under capitalism men provide for themselves, while under Socialism they are provided for'

Ludwig Von Mises

For this to work, one need to assume every (ok most) people knows what they are doing - given many can't even count properly, many of the gains of the so-called 'capitalist' isn't exactly a trade of promises for future exchange. Not sure a capitalism men can provide for themselves completely and neither under socialism men are provided fully (they are still being asked to move nuts in the tractor factory.

'The idea that you can solve a problem of too much debt and too much consumption with more debt and more consumption, can you believe that grown-ups would say something like that?

It's mind-boggling to me that people who are supposedly educated really believe this, and they seem to'

Jim Rogers

Agree.

'There is nothing progressive about a government that consistently spends more than it can raise in taxation and certainly nothing progressive that endows generations to come with the liabilities incurred with respect to the current generation.'

Lord Myners, NuLabour

NuLabour obviously confused investment with consumption (though Gordon said he would only ever borrow to finance investment)... Nothing wrong about government spending

more in the right places. But misallocation of resources is another matter. I believe govenrment is not good at allocating capital in general, but it doesn't means it fail to allocate capital every single time (Singapore government did an OK job in general, though with a few failures.)

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bankrupt government tries to make virtue out of paying bankers enormous wages, high taxes and no services given back.

They aren't liberators, they are just skint.

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I will have to wait to see how the £113 bn cuts play out. In the meantime though I would like to see a wholesale removal of miniminded paperwork forms from our public sector and fight EU red tape on business. I want to free the teachers, police and hospitals from ludicrous amounts of pointless statistic chasing rubbish. I want to see an end to micro-management from whitehall, based on opinions of civil servants who are generally ignorant of how to get the job done. The last 13 yrs has created a depressed society nervous to do anything or decide anything for themselves, when in fact they should be allowed 'to get on with the job'.

Within 3 months I could REMOVE 75% of their pointless paperwork. Then you could reduce their rediculous number of admin staff, relieve a great deal of stress on the front line staff and NOT reduce any real police numbers. Then we could do the same in hospitals etc. Will they do this sort of thing? Hmmmmmmmmmm, doubtful. But I am here waiting to be hired for 40% of the salary of top quango members ( whose existence needs reviewing).

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I'm always very suspicious of the term 'libertarian' as I associate it with the idea of middle-aged, middle-class right-wing male bon viveurs who want to be able to drive their expensive sports cars at dangerous speeds on public roads and go fox hunting, but don't want young people to go and have fun at rock festivals or the great unwashed to have access to the countryside.

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Within 3 months I could REMOVE 75% of their pointless paperwork. Then you could reduce their rediculous number of admin staff, relieve a great deal of stress on the front line staff and NOT reduce any real police numbers. Then we could do the same in hospitals etc. Will they do this sort of thing? Hmmmmmmmmmm, doubtful. But I am here waiting to be hired for 40% of the salary of top quango members ( whose existence needs reviewing).

Sorry to say, but the front line staff you talk about are hardly selfless saints. I can't speak for policemen, but in other areas they will only produce if they know they are being monitored and that someone will take them to task for their performance. That requires admin staff and managers.

I will agree that most managers and admin staff in the public sector are useless, but removing them won't create a productivity miracle.

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I will agree that most managers and admin staff in the public sector are useless, but removing them won't create a productivity miracle.

The only wyt to do that is by privatising the whole public sector and seeing which services the market believes are really required.

Unfortunately such rational ideas are unlikely to be considered under our current political system.

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The only wat to do that is by privatising the whole public sector and seeing which services the market believes are really required.

Unfortunately such rational ideas are unlikely to be considered under our current political system.

Its starting though. Barnet council, for one, will be getting rid of staff in many services and bringing in Capita to run things. A lot of these services are only provided because of laws that NuLab brought in so maybe Clegg's plan to reverse this legislation will bear fruit.

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I'm always very suspicious of the term 'libertarian' as I associate it with the idea of middle-aged, middle-class right-wing male bon viveurs who want to be able to drive their expensive sports cars at dangerous speeds on public roads and go fox hunting, but don't want young people to go and have fun at rock festivals or the great unwashed to have access to the countryside.

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WTF is a libertarian?

Think socialist workers party meets Somalian warlord.

But mostly a figment of their own imagination.

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