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But are they earning £6.38 a week? Even 35 mile train trip costs £25 each way no 5 day return options. Sure your 25-30k office worker could pull it off but those guys would commute for 2 hours if the job was there anyway.

A strawman argument from a professional bullshitter.

You should have your benefits taken away for your insolence.

If all you can earn is £6.38 a week you should sell yourself for compost.

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A strawman argument from a professional bullshitter.

You should have your benefits taken away for your insolence.

If all you can earn is £6.38 a week you should sell yourself for compost.

I start my job next month on £6.38 it was the only job I could find, trying to get people with learning difficulties living independently.

Please pm your address and I will willingly post you some compost.

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But are they earning £6.38 a week? Even 35 mile train trip costs £25 each way no 5 day return options. Sure your 25-30k office worker could pull it off but those guys would commute for 2 hours if the job was there anyway.

edit bit - I should add I commuted 57 miles around 1995 starting on 10k it was the hardest thing I ever did. 3hr commute each day with £10 spending money left over a week, were talking buying a cd, or a meal out in burger king or cooking 1 special meal.

Now those starting salaries are 14k but the train ticket is £366.00 a month which leaves you with no money for council tax, bills, food, and this is assuming rent is the same. Even those willing to work long range are burned by travel costs.

If you aren't earning at least £50k a year after 15 years you have either some some extremely bad luck, some severe disability, or you've not applied yourself in which case you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

I came from a very poor family with no connections in high-places whatsoever, but by finding out how to succeed and what to educate myself in, I now earn 15 times (six figures) what my poor Dad earned in his last job, bless him. Arrogant? No. I'm simply stating wahat I'be had to do starting from a position of considerable disadvantage.

You have to ask: How much do you want to succeed? In the age of the internet it's never been easier.

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3hr commute each day

I can assure you that 3h/day is plenty of time take a second job.

Which would give you the capital needed to rent lodgings nearer your source of income (the world always changes, but never by much).

The hilarious thing about all these hard luck stories is the implicit assumption that no-one else has ever been there nor done that (three hours? luxury!).

That, and the sanctimonous claptrap about what people ought to be entitled to (the "family" card is a particular favourite), and why...

Dave's usually a little hardline for my taste, but I'd be intrigued to see the poll results too.

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If you aren't earning at least £50k a year after 15 years by now you have either some some extremely bad luck, some severe disability, or you've not applied yourself in which case you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

I came from a very poor family with no connections in high-places whatsoever, but by finding out how to succeed, what to educate myself in, I now earn 15 times (six figures) what my poor Dad earned in his last job, bless him.

You have to ask: How much do you want to succeed? In the age of the internet it's never been easier.

Used to earn 43k now I earn 12k my mental capacity managed to enable me to pay half my mortgage debt off in 5 years. I do not mind you calling me a bullshitter the damage done to my job sector still seems to be a bit of an enigma. Actually a lot of people, friends, and family are shocked. However as the situation has not improved since August 2007 I hold out little hope the other job sectors will be immune for much longer. When the stuff is hitting the fan, better to have an income stream than no income stream I can afford to go out still and even overpay now and then.

But this is an area where a few low paid jobs exist, the job I went for was the only one with experience NOT required. I still have not taken the dole.

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If you aren't earning at least £50k a year after 15 years you have either some some extremely bad luck, some severe disability, or you've not applied yourself in which case you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

You have to ask: How much do you want to succeed? In the age of the internet it's never been easier.

But did you ever forsee outsourcing though? Or so much automation?

You can play your spiel as much as you want but today many of them are largely irrelevant because you did not have to compete with the all these people from overseas. I moved around all sorts of places Hamburg, Hong Kong, Zhuhai China, Manchester, London for a spell.

Initially my older peers were beaten down in the salary stakes, no pay rises or we outsource. Then the whole thing was outsourced. I don't know about you but I don't have a right to work in Pakistan or india and moving to Pakistan seems to be a bad idea to work for 50p an hour. (based on ladders, if my bosses used to charge £200/h for me to do something for them and I got paid around £12 then out of the £4 paid they probably get that much).

Hard work !=sucess in olden days perhaps.

But today much less so, 2008 I was working till late at night doing jobs because job time hours were cut, I was being paid about half my rate because they crammed so much work onto us and reduced the staff numbers.

They ended up outsourcing everything anyway...

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The hilarious thing about all these hard luck stories is the implicit assumption that no-one else has ever been there nor done that (three hours? luxury!).

Have you ever done it for a whole winter on a motorbike though?

I have, in the cold old injuries hurt badly (non bike related).

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Have you ever done it for a whole winter on a motorbike though?

Ever cleaned windows to make ends meet?

How about pressed shirts?

Cleaned offices?

My drycleaner's ongoing battle to find warm bodies to man a till (two shifts, six hours apiece, and leave/ sickness cover for same) tells me that the highest bid in the market (the public purse) is still too high.

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But did you ever forsee outsourcing though? Or so much automation?

You can play your spiel as much as you want but today many of them are largely irrelevant because you did not have to compete with the all these people from overseas. I moved around all sorts of places Hamburg, Hong Kong, Zhuhai China, Manchester, London for a spell.

Initially my older peers were beaten down in the salary stakes, no pay rises or we outsource. Then the whole thing was outsourced. I don't know about you but I don't have a right to work in Pakistan or india and moving to Pakistan seems to be a bad idea to work for 50p an hour. (based on ladders, if my bosses used to charge £200/h for me to do something for them and I got paid around £12 then out of the £4 paid they probably get that much).

Hard work !=sucess in olden days perhaps.

But today much less so, 2008 I was working till late at night doing jobs because job time hours were cut, I was being paid about half my rate because they crammed so much work onto us and reduced the staff numbers.

They ended up outsourcing everything anyway...

Always remember. The literal meaning of the word employer is "user".

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Ever cleaned windows to make ends meet?

How about pressed shirts?

Cleaned offices?

My drycleaner's ongoing battle to find warm bodies to man a till (two shifts, six hours apiece, and leave/ sickness cover for same) tells me that the highest bid in the market (the public purse) is still too high.

Stick his wages up then.

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Oh dear Dave, you really don't understand what these posters are saying, do you?

Firstly, do you think this is a good state of affairs for society in general? I.e. for children not to see their parents and if they do, only at weekends?

And you don't want to accept the enormous sacrifice millions of people already do put themselves through.

I mean, are you a parent or not I wonder, I suspect not. :rolleyes: Did your father only see YOU at weekends? I suspect not.

This argument is about your decision to burden everyone else with your lifestyle choices. You choose to have a family. Fine, that's your choice just don't fool yourself you have a devine right to free-load off everyone else.

Secondly, as much as I hate the benefit system, you yourself don't understand why people have to move and put their family life at risk.

I have made it perfectly clear that, like millions of other people, I have throughout my career moved to earn money. How about you?

I.e. because there aren't enough jobs to go around.

Think about it before you post such 5h1te.

Only in a gobal f u c k e d up society would we think it 'acceptable' that parents only see their off spring at weekends. <_<

You could, of course, do a social sciences degree with the OU and then, perhaps, you might understand that children, the only thing you leave behind when you draw your last breath, mean something.

You could, of course, have educated yourself in something that pays, but self-righteous c*nts like you think the world owes you a living so you opt for the easy sh*t and then expect to spend your life cadging off the tax payer.

You make your bed, you lie in it.

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I can assure you that 3h/day is plenty of time take a second job.

Which would give you the capital needed to rent lodgings nearer your source of income (the world always changes, but never by much).

The hilarious thing about all these hard luck stories is the implicit assumption that no-one else has ever been there nor done that (three hours? luxury!).

That, and the sanctimonous claptrap about what people ought to be entitled to (the "family" card is a particular favourite), and why...

Dave's usually a little hardline for my taste, but I'd be intrigued to see the poll results too.

In the 90's it was hard to get a junior role where you wanted it but I was willing to commute it. It was my first step into adulthood, supporting myself and engaging my career hardly a hard luck story. Most of my fellow students never left home. My point is what kind of salary are the unemployed going to get, hell someone who has never worked a day. The cost of travel is way to high to enable any meaningful contact.

Just to alleviate any imaginary assumptions.

I am married

I have no offspring.

Neither of us have ever claimed the dole or housing benefit..

None of our family live off the dole as a living.

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If you aren't earning at least £50k a year after 15 years you have either some some extremely bad luck, some severe disability, or you've not applied yourself in which case you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

I came from a very poor family with no connections in high-places whatsoever, but by finding out how to succeed and what to educate myself in, I now earn 15 times (six figures) what my poor Dad earned in his last job, bless him. Arrogant? No. I'm simply stating wahat I'be had to do starting from a position of considerable disadvantage.

You have to ask: How much do you want to succeed? In the age of the internet it's never been easier.

God save us from those who claim to have 'made it' and tell us that anybody could do the same if they 'applied' themselves.

The thing that they never seem to realise is that it is impossible for more than a certain number to be on above average incomes and that without the large number who, for various reasons end up at the lower end of the scale, their income would not be above average either.

This site is full of folk who at one time were coining it. When too many others spotted their wealth and jumped on the gravy train it went wrong for them. The folk who came here worried about the housing market and the prospects for their 'portfolio' spring to mind. Then there are those groups who complain about imported workers willing to work for less. IT guys have had a lot to say on that subject.

I don't know what you do for your six figures but I can be certain that there are many who would do it for less and their numbers are growing fast.

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Ever cleaned windows to make ends meet?

How about pressed shirts?

Cleaned offices?

Yes, no and no

I have however worked some pretty nasty jobs in my time, I've worked as a dishwasher, porn, potato peeler and fresh fish prep guy, chilled meat delivery van (though this was fun as the mercedes had no reverse gear), meat packer (which was nasty due to the smell and the fact that the tumbled meat had so much crap added to it you got this nasty crusty wall paper like paste on your hands urgh), HSBC spam department where the beeping machines would make you go insane. The worst job ages and ages ago was the maggot farm, it wasn't so much the maggots it was the big hopper of animal corpses that made everybody puke up which had to be 'processed' then taken up in buckets and thrown into the astoundingly hot pits. Oh and McD's too.

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Ever cleaned windows to make ends meet?

How about pressed shirts?

Cleaned offices?

My drycleaner's ongoing battle to find warm bodies to man a till (two shifts, six hours apiece, and leave/ sickness cover for same) tells me that the highest bid in the market (the public purse) is still too high.

You need an NVQ and previous experience theses days to do cleaning.

My mate managed to get a job as a cleaner after looking for work for about a year starts at 5:30am in the middle of nowhere so he got it, could not believe it when he was enrolled onto and NVQ course. He said its was ages before he got to actually clean.

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My point is what kind of salary are the unemployed going to get, hell someone who has never worked a day.

I'd take a punt that they'll be paid a wage rather than a salary, and that it'll be inadequate to cover the cost of much other than a basic room...

... given how prices are arrived at.

But hell's teeth, in the statistical soup that is the average UK city population, you'd have to literally be one in a billion or so to be so incapable of adding value that this were anything other than an income floor.

You realise there's enough emigres out there who came to the UK (let alone to any city in particular)... with nothing much other than loss, misery, and in most cases enough debt to capitalise a small bank... so many cases of this that at least a few of them are likely to be contributors?

The cost of travel is way to high to enable any meaningful contact.

If only someone would invent some sort of way to communicate over long distances... some sort of... tele... phone.

At least you're talking about people who are still in the same timezone...

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A stupid, childish post, made by a proven liar, deserves nothing more :rolleyes:.

Which is exactly why I replied to you using 5 words.

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But did you ever forsee outsourcing though? Or so much automation?

I realised that in life there is a simple truth: if you want to make money you have to go where money is; my morals prevented me going into banking.

You can play your spiel as much as you want but today many of them are largely irrelevant because you did not have to compete with the all these people from overseas. I moved around all sorts of places Hamburg, Hong Kong, Zhuhai China, Manchester, London for a spell.

How do you know I haven't had to do that? You assume too much.

Initially my older peers were beaten down in the salary stakes, no pay rises or we outsource. Then the whole thing was outsourced. I don't know about you but I don't have a right to work in Pakistan or india and moving to Pakistan seems to be a bad idea to work for 50p an hour. (based on ladders, if my bosses used to charge £200/h for me to do something for them and I got paid around £12 then out of the £4 paid they probably get that much).

Hard work !=sucess in olden days perhaps.

But today much less so, 2008 I was working till late at night doing jobs because job time hours were cut, I was being paid about half my rate because they crammed so much work onto us and reduced the staff numbers.

They ended up outsourcing everything anyway...

Never work hard. Work smart.

There does seem to be both a distinct sence of self-pity in this thread and an absense of optimistic enterprise. You'd think given the poor state of so much of the UK there'd be plenty of opportunities to make money.

To some earlier posters: If it's too late to take a degree course or a lengthy apprenticeship, consider what little businesses you could run for yourself outside your main job. Find out from the internet what courses you can take. Learn all sorts of different skills. I mean lots of little skills you can use to earn money with.

Civic pride is one example. Just look at the streets, local shopping centres and city centres; many in the UK are very badly neglected and in a really grubby state. Who wants to live like that? Many of them need jet-washing, clipping, pruning, cutting, painting, sweeping etc, so you'd think some enterprising soul would step in and offer that service to the local community, but in the UK there's no attempt to coordinate at the loca lcomminuty level beyond the local council and MP. Jobs like those I'be mentioned are assumed to be the council's job so nothing gets done.

Anyway, got to go. I'm up at 4:30 in the morning to catch the train to work (there has to be some sacrifice to earn six figures) besides I've got some emails to write to my graphic designers who are helping me bring my product to market before I go.

If you are to succeed in life you have to have optimism, self-belief and energy.

Enjoy what's left of the sunshine.

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