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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289250/BUDGET-2010-John-Redwood-tells-middle-classes-turn-heating-theyre-feeling-pinch.html

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A former Tory cabinet minister today sparked anger after urging people hit by Budget cuts to wear more clothes, turn down the thermostat and eat more vegetables.

John Redwood, MP for Wokingham, also suggested victims of spending cuts could take holidays in England and draw money out of their savings to tide them through.

Mr Redwood, 59, wrote on his blog: 'If you are on a low income then of course cutting spending is difficult or impossible.

'If you are living a middle-class lifestyle and your income goes down by 10 per cent you have plenty of options.

'You can holiday nearer home and cut out the foreign trip. You can eat at home more than in restaurants. You can trade down for a cheaper car.

'You can draw some money out of the savings account to tide you over until your income goes up again.'

He added: 'You can buy more of the value items at the supermarket and put more vegetarian dishes into menus.

'You can discover home entertainment to keep the leisure bill down. You can turn down the thermostat a little and put on a jumper.'

Mr Redwood's appeal echoed arch-Thatcherite Norman Tebbit's response to a young Tory who wondered whether riots in 1981 were the result of unemployment.

He said: 'I grew up in the '30s with an unemployed father. He didn't riot. He got on his bike and looked for work, and he kept looking 'til he found it.'

Unison official Dave Prentis said: 'It is easy to pontificate when it's not you making the sacrifices or having to tell your children they won't have much of a holiday this year - let alone a decent meal.

'Why doesn't he tell the city slickers who got the country into this mess to cut back on their massive salaries and give back some of the money they owe this country?'

Does he mean the real middle class to use there savings or is he expecting the MEW middle class to use there savings to tide them over? As banks are unwilling to let people use their homes as cash machines where does John think these people are going to get access to their savings?

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And this is why we should never vote tory, they are simply rabid facists. This country is screwed under this government and the sheeple are cutting their own throats by supporting them. Average life expectancy of this country is just 75 and they want us to retire at 70. Average incomes are falling and this government has the nerve to tell us to eat scraps while the likes of redwood stick their snouts into the trough.

This country needs a national strike and some parliamentary heads at the gates of westminster.

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And this is why we should never vote tory, they are simply rabid facists. This country is screwed under this government and the sheeple are cutting their own throats by supporting them. Average life expectancy of this country is just 75 and they want us to retire at 70. Average incomes are falling and this government has the nerve to tell us to eat scraps while the likes of redwood stick their snouts into the trough.

This country needs a national strike and some parliamentary heads at the gates of westminster.

I'm sorry but the advice might be hard to swallow but it is generally the truth.

And quite sensible.

I spent most of the last winter completely broke living on 9p instant noodles, the heating didn't go on unless I had a job interview so I could have a wash or during the short jobs that I did.

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He is 100% correct. People in this country are so wasteful.

To say the lower classes can't cut back is ridiculous - god forbid they give up their fags and booze, that would simply be a travesty of human rights if they things directly responsible for their shorter lifespans.

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And this is why we should never vote tory, they are simply rabid facists. This country is screwed under this government and the sheeple are cutting their own throats by supporting them. Average life expectancy of this country is just 75 and they want us to retire at 70. Average incomes are falling and this government has the nerve to tell us to eat scraps while the likes of redwood stick their snouts into the trough.

This country needs a national strike and some parliamentary heads at the gates of westminster.

Facists? Fakists? Aaah, fascists! That'll be Gordon and Tony, with their Third Way - courtesy of Mussolini: big government/unions (public)/business (banks) in a mutual back-scratch.

Shake the student-union nonsense out of your head and think.

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I'm sorry but the advice might be hard to swallow but it is generally the truth.

And quite sensible.

I spent most of the last winter completely broke living on 9p instant noodles, the heating didn't go on unless I had a job interview so I could have a wash or during the short jobs that I did.

it's not even right wing, indeed

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How much does this patronsing c**t take from the taxpayer each year in wages and expenses?

When he's standing up in parliament fighting tooth and nail to have Goodwin's £30k a month pension for life taken off him and charges brought against his bankster chums perhaps I'll take him more seriously.

'Til then f*ck off you scrounging tw*t.

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And this is why we should never vote tory, they are simply rabid facists. This country is screwed under this government and the sheeple are cutting their own throats by supporting them. Average life expectancy of this country is just 75 and they want us to retire at 70. Average incomes are falling and this government has the nerve to tell us to eat scraps while the likes of redwood stick their snouts into the trough.

This country needs a national strike and some parliamentary heads at the gates of westminster.

Did you read the article?

Mr Redwood, 59, wrote on his blog: 'If you are on a low income then of course cutting spending is difficult or impossible.

'If you are living a middle-class lifestyle and your income goes down by 10 per cent you have plenty of options.

'You can holiday nearer home and cut out the foreign trip. You can eat at home more than in restaurants. You can trade down for a cheaper car.

'You can draw some money out of the savings account to tide you over until your income goes up again.'

He added: 'You can buy more of the value items at the supermarket and put more vegetarian dishes into menus.

'You can discover home entertainment to keep the leisure bill down. You can turn down the thermostat a little and put on a jumper.'

What's wrong with that? Seems perfectly sound advice - and it's aimed at the middle classes, not the poor. It's a shame we didn't have a bit more realism like this under Labour. And I'm not a Conservative supporter, btw - after the 1980s I can't bring myself to vote for them.

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I'm sorry but the advice might be hard to swallow but it is generally the truth.

And quite sensible.

I spent most of the last winter completely broke living on 9p instant noodles, the heating didn't go on unless I had a job interview so I could have a wash or during the short jobs that I did.

Exactly right Ken.

I tired of of people bitching and moaning.

Get on with it.

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How much does this patronsing c**t take from the taxpayer each year in wages and expenses?

When he's standing up in parliament fighting tooth and nail to have Goodwin's £30k a month pension for life taken off him and charges brought against his bankster chums perhaps I'll take him more seriously.

'Til then f*ck off you scrounging tw*t.

Redwood was very vocal at the time that the banks should have been allowed to go bust and not been bailed out by the taxpayers with the resulting banker sackings with no payoffs (because bank is bankrupt)

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And this is why we should never vote tory, they are simply rabid facists. This country is screwed under this government and the sheeple are cutting their own throats by supporting them. Average life expectancy of this country is just 75 and they want us to retire at 70. Average incomes are falling and this government has the nerve to tell us to eat scraps while the likes of redwood stick their snouts into the trough.

This country needs a national strike and some parliamentary heads at the gates of westminster.

paradox of voting Labour

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289250/BUDGET-2010-John-Redwood-tells-middle-classes-turn-heating-theyre-feeling-pinch.html

Does he mean the real middle class to use there savings or is he expecting the MEW middle class to use there savings to tide them over? As banks are unwilling to let people use their homes as cash machines where does John think these people are going to get access to their savings?

Next he'll be telling us that we should all eat cake.

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And this is why we should never vote tory, they are simply rabid facists. This country is screwed under this government and the sheeple are cutting their own throats by supporting them. Average life expectancy of this country is just 75 and they want us to retire at 70. Average incomes are falling and this government has the nerve to tell us to eat scraps while the likes of redwood stick their snouts into the trough.

This country needs a national strike and some parliamentary heads at the gates of westminster.

Well 'let them eat cake from Marks & Spencer then'. Hang on, that would cost too much.

What would any of us do to get through if we find our incomes squeezed because of years of overspending Labour, mercilessly pumping up the public sector at the expense of the private? An orgy of borrowed money has got us nowhere.

I do actually already do many of those things suggested because we have had a 25% drop in income. There really is nothing wrong with them. Lucky to be able to work and if you have a job cherish it. It will all get better WHEN we just get this pretence of a recovery over with and let the matter run its course.

The public sector employees yesterday had the cheek to moan at the PM and Clegg that a pay freeze meant it was a cut in real wages. Of course it is! They are very fortunate that there is no actual cut of 5 or 10% proposed.

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I find this unbelievable. How is living within the country's means fascist?

And how does left-wingism necessarily require deficit spending and passing debt down generations?

RK - you devalue true socialists, who believe what they do for the greater good, for the sake of their own kids, not just for their own greed.

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Facists? Fakists? Aaah, fascists! That'll be Gordon and Tony, with their Third Way - courtesy of Mussolini: big government/unions (public)/business (banks) in a mutual back-scratch.

Shake the student-union nonsense out of your head and think.

royal navy and served in the falklands my little fella, now an engineer. no student union here. This country needs a shake up from the top down. Too many greedy people with self interest feeding like leeches off working people. These politicians need to realise that we hold the labour not them and without us they are nothing. And they must also realise that if we mobilse then we can take what ever we want.

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I find this unbelievable. How is living within the country's means fascist?

And how does left-wingism necessarily require deficit spending and passing debt down generations?

RK - you devalue true socialists, who believe what they do for the greater good, for the sake of their own kids, not just for their own greed.

? Don't understand how, sorry.

I couldn't care less what 'true socialists' believe. I'm not an 'ist' of any persuasion - I just happen think the rich stealing from the poor and telling them how to enjoy it whilst they do it is immoral.

His words are cheap but if he is unable to influence his govt. then he serves no useful purpose at cost to the public purse and should quit. The world's not short of patronising right wing t0ssers.

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royal navy and served in the falklands my little fella, now an engineer. no student union here. This country needs a shake up from the top down. Too many greedy people with self interest feeding like leeches off working people. These politicians need to realise that we hold the labour not them and without us they are nothing. And they must also realise that if we mobilse then we can take what ever we want.

Also very true.

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At last a thread which has brought out some common sense views rather than Daily Mail drone.

I do not agree with what this Libcon Government is doing.

They are bent on hurting the many to benefit a few.

There are better options to rein in debt and the best of them starts with growth and jobs, not longer dole queues.

We must oppose Camorons madness.

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royal navy and served in the falklands my little fella

I seem to recall you claiming to have been in the parachute regiment at one point...I think you should make your mind up which it was.

edit:I take that back, it was the Royal Marines:

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=66714&view=findpost&p=942426

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'Why doesn't he tell the city slickers who got the country into this mess to cut back on their massive salaries and give back some of the money they owe this country?'

The bankers are clearly going to be made the scape goats in all this.

True, they earn far too much money and exert far too much influence over the global economy.. but how have we let them get us into this mess?

We demanded cheap and easy credit.. which the banks willingly supplied. Nobody in any government questioned where the money came from or how sustainable the supply.. they simply encouraged us to gorge ourselves further to help boost the tax take in order to fund never ending prosperity and spending plans. When it started to crumble, the punch bowl was spiked with low interest rates.

The banks played their part, they were the middle men, the facilitators. They gave us what we wanted and governments encouraged it. Ultimately though we all need to take responsibility. Collectively we all borrowed far more than we could sustainably afford to pay back. We only have ourselves to blame. None of us held enough in reserve in case of a bust, because we were all assured the boom would last forever. We turned to greed and speculation instead of work and saving.

But we won't choose to acknowledge that. BURN THE BANKERS B)

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This country needs a national strike and some parliamentary heads at the gates of westminster.

Three questions arise :

1. Should the national strike be by the net recipients of taxpayers' money or the net providers of taxpayers' money?

2. Should the national strike be conducted through democratic means or by mob behaviour?

3. Should the parliamentary heads at the Gates of Westminster be those who got us into this mess or those who are trying to get us out of this mess?

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...Proof if it were needed that when they we're all in it together they mean 'everybody else' not 'them'.

ACtually the more I hear Clegg, Cameron et al saying "we are all in this together" the more my brain transmoglifies it into "you are all in this together". :angry:

Oh well, so long as it is all of us suffering then that's OK. Who knows, house prices might even fall to sensible levels?

QB

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The advice is good. I was brought up by a single parent who didn't do credit/debt. My mother worked full time and even managed to send me to private school until I was 11. However, we didn't have central heating, I did have to wear a jumper rather than sticking the heating up to 20c and we ate cheap - like the only meat was pork chops and no ready meals.

Anyway, point is this is how responsible people of lowish income used to live until the advent of free money. I've been there so it really won't hurt to have to go back there - bring it on!

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