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Britain is the Worst Place to live

Whilst I don't doubt the the general mindset in the UK is depressing and miserable - and there are less depressing places to be.

Why do people think its really better anywhere else - whilst the climate might be better - underneath the same pressures economically and socially, same type of people - there is no escape - going to another country might lessen it a bit, and things seem nicer on the outside - but just below the surface its every man and woman for themselves.

We are just better accepting the reality of the ultra competitive world we live in - face it down, work harder and compete more.

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Britain is the Worst Place to live

Whilst I don't doubt the the general mindset in the UK is depressing and miserable - and there are less depressing places to be.

Why do people think its really better anywhere else - whilst the climate might be better - underneath the same pressures economically and socially, same type of people - there is no escape - going to another country might lessen it a bit, and things seem nicer on the outside - but just below the surface its every man and woman for themselves.

We are just better accepting the reality of the ultra competitive world we live in - face it down, work harder and compete more.

I'v just had a look at the list of the ten richest countries, taking this a a criteria, and it makes you wonder why can't we do what they do. The only answer one can come up with Is there a just too many Ars***s and Know alls here.

Wheres my doctorate in Social Science?

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Britain is the Worst Place to live

Whilst I don't doubt the the general mindset in the UK is depressing and miserable - and there are less depressing places to be.

Why do people think its really better anywhere else - whilst the climate might be better - underneath the same pressures economically and socially, same type of people - there is no escape - going to another country might lessen it a bit, and things seem nicer on the outside - but just below the surface its every man and woman for themselves.

We are just better accepting the reality of the ultra competitive world we live in - face it down, work harder and compete more.

i find in the places ive been that there is an overall better social attitude and less division.

in fact, i cant think of a more divided western country than the uk. its an age division as well as a wealth imbalance.

i think we are also the most 'herded' population probably in the world.

truth is only an option for our media circus.

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I'v just had a look at the list of the ten richest countries, taking this a a criteria, and it makes wonder why can't we do what they do. The only answer one can come up with Is there a just too many Ars***s and Know alls here. Wheres my doctorate in Social Science?

The UK is an arseholes paradise - There are more socialist places or a least have fairness based outlook on life.

I don't look at life as one country or the other being better, or one job, or one place being better than the other, or certain type of people better than than the other - the best way to view people is that their are doing anything and everything to further their own objectives - people will change their behavior to what works in any environment.

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Why do people think its really better anywhere else - whilst the climate might be better -

I think people vastly underestimate what a good climate can do for your quality of life.

IMHO

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I think people vastly underestimate what a good climate can do for your quality of life.

IMHO

Depends on what you class as 'good'.

In the UK we get very unspectacular weather - compared to most places. Some would class that as good and some would class that as bad.

I am sure many in Saudi Arabia would find the UK climate quite tremendous. Then again someone from San Diego would probably not agree. All relative.

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Funny article. Compares lots of things that only vary a few percent and are pretty irrelevant. The thing that is depressing in the UK is the mindset, its not that crap a place to live, cycling in the countryside, beer, and dancing is pretty good.

The freakiest thing I have seen in the UK of late was at a bar, a live band was playing, everyone got out of there seats stood in front of the band were talking 40 or so. They then all stood there and watched, I swear I could only see one chap tapping his foot. Then about 10% of the crowd pulled out phones and videoed the band. I was left to dance at the back on the edge of the dance floor lol. It was something out of the fast show but come on these were 18-22 year olds fs!

Lifestyle, hours you work if you have the chance to have a job, likely life expectancy, the food you eat, are all choices are they not?

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Funny article. Compares lots of things that only vary a few percent and are pretty irrelevant. The thing that is depressing in the UK is the mindset, its not that crap a place to live, cycling in the countryside, beer, and dancing is pretty good.

The freakiest thing I have seen in the UK of late was at a bar, a live band was playing, everyone got out of there seats stood in front of the band were talking 40 or so. They then all stood there and watched, I swear I could only see one chap tapping his foot. Then about 10% of the crowd pulled out phones and videoed the band. I was left to dance at the back on the edge of the dace floor lol. It was something out of the fast show but come on these were 18-22 year olds fs!

Lifestyle, hours you work if you have the chance to have a job, likely life expectancy, the food you eat, are all choices are they not?

I agree with this. Folks from other countries seem to be more inclined to speak up when something bothers them: Here we seem to bend over backwards so as not to be seen as 'not naice', whilst moaning at length.

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i find in the places ive been that there is an overall better social attitude and less division.

in fact, i cant think of a more divided western country than the uk. its an age division as well as a wealth imbalance.

i think we are also the most 'herded' population probably in the world.

truth is only an option for our media circus.

Where pray tell? Because where I am it couldn't be worse. The snobbery and elitism here (especially of the nuevo riche, those with about 2 grand in the bank) is beyond funny.

My favorite sister-in-law, the clever one, lives in the UK for 6 months of the year and loves the societal behavior of old, young, rich, poor all mixing it without prejudice. She noted that of the group of friends down the pub, some were skint on welfare or in badly paid jobs were best friends with people on £200k a year . . . all ages . . . no one cared, they just got on . . . it didn't matter.

"I love that country [uK]" were her exact words. She hopes Thailand will be the same one day but acknowledges it will take generations and structural changes in society for this to happen. She also noted the near absence of racism there.

Be thankful children, that you were born unto Blighty.

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Where pray tell? Because where I am it couldn't be worse. The snobbery and elitism here (especially of the nuevo riche, those with about 2 grand in the bank) is beyond funny.

My favorite sister-in-law, the clever one, lives in the UK for 6 months of the year and loves the societal behavior of old, young, rich, poor all mixing it without prejudice. She noted that of the group of friends down the pub, some were skint on welfare or in badly paid jobs were best friends with people on £200k a year . . . all ages . . . no one cared, they just got on . . . it didn't matter.

"I love that country [uK]" were her exact words. She hopes Thailand will be the same one day but acknowledges it will take generations and structural changes in society for this to happen. She also noted the near absence of racism there.

Be thankful children, that you were born unto Blighty.

I don't think that there is much real racism here, either. I say 'real', as the racism much aired by the politicians - like Peter Hain - is a tool to manipulate and control people, to convince them that their fears - on say unregulated immigration - are groundless and that they needs must be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for minding about the overstretched education and health provision.

Peter Hain on one QT, was saying how his son was at a school with students from other countries and had gained much from this 'rich cultural diversity'...a comment greeted with rapturous applause by the left-wing audience - obviously too stupid to realise that he was probably commenting on Eton/Harrow or suchlike, which as we all know, are SO typical of schools in this country today.dry.gif

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I don't think that there is much real racism here, either. I say 'real', as the racism much aired by the politicians - like Peter Hain - is a tool to manipulate and control people, to convince them that their fears - on say unregulated immigration - are groundless and that they needs must be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for minding about the overstretched education and health provision.

Peter Hain on one QT, was saying how his son was at a school with students from other countries and had gained much from this 'rich cultural diversity'...a comment greeted with rapturous applause by the left-wing audience - obviously too stupid to realise that he was probably commenting on Eton/Harrow or suchlike, which as we all know, are SO typical of schools in this country today.dry.gif

Nat gets a visa, [snaps fingers] like that!

Why?

Well, far from being a hooker . . . worse . . . shes an Estate Agent!

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I'v just had a look at the list of the ten richest countries, taking this a a criteria, and it makes you wonder why can't we do what they do. The only answer one can come up with Is there a just too many Ars***s and Know alls here.

Wheres my doctorate in Social Science?

On the contrary, this country is filled with ar$eholes and knownothings. Unfortunately the education system told almost all of them that they were 'great'. So now they apply their stupidity to the world in the mistaken belief that they know something. Wonderful.

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I don't think that there is much real racism here, either.

Are you kidding?

Racism is alive and kicking in the UK. Its not as bad as the 1970s where my dad got into brutal fights daily because of the racism. I mean just look at the way in football when a black person gets passed the ball, monkey chants occur.

People in ivory towers don't see it, I mean if you looked like the natives why would you even notice it?

It is often qualified by, "I'm not racist but."

On my bicycle rides I get called names everywhere and told to go home all the time. This happens over a diverse range of ages and ethnicities which is kind of ironic.

Granted words may not hurt me but you hear it each and everyday it can grind you down.

Working in restaurants and shops people who phone up to book tables will say are you the Chinks? You bite your tongue and ignore it. My bosses say this too when they thought I wasn't there and walked in on them, these supposed 200K+ working people. Or when you sit on the train people will say nasty things thinking you can't speak or understand their english.

It still happens when you go to small village pubs for lunch on a bike ride. You walk in attempt to order some food and you are ignored as if you are not there.

I've learned to live with it.

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Nat gets a visa, [snaps fingers] like that!

Why?

Well, far from being a hooker . . . worse . . . shes an Estate Agent!

ohmy.gif Blimey. I woulda thought we'd be EXporting them, not IMporting them!unsure.gif

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My favorite sister-in-law, the clever one, lives in the UK for 6 months of the year and loves the societal behavior of old, young, rich, poor all mixing it without prejudice. She noted that of the group of friends down the pub, some were skint on welfare or in badly paid jobs were best friends with people on £200k a year . . . all ages . . . no one cared, they just got on . . . it didn't matter.

"I love that country [uK]" were her exact words. She hopes Thailand will be the same one day but acknowledges it will take generations and structural changes in society for this to happen. She also noted the near absence of racism there.

That's not the UK I know. Completely the opposite in fact. Rich and poor mixing without prejudice?? Was your relative on drugs or something?

Absence of racism I can almost accept. It still exists obviously, but things have improved a hundred fold from the school days I remember. The UK is now so multi-cultural that racism is a little pointless anyway IMO. If you don't like the new population mix you may as well leave, because it ain't gonna change anytime this century.

But rich and poor having group hugs? Sorry, no. England is one of the most elitist countries in the world. Anyone trying to step out of their class into another is swiftly put in their place.

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Working in restaurants and shops people who phone up to book tables will say are you the Chinks?

Your Northerly location has a lot to do with that ;)

Try life down South.

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That's not the UK I know. Completely the opposite in fact. Rich and poor mixing without prejudice?? Was your relative on drugs or something?

Absence of racism I can almost accept. It still exists obviously, but things have improved a hundred fold from the school days I remember. The UK is now so multi-cultural that racism is a little pointless anyway IMO. If you don't like the new population mix you may as well leave, because it ain't gonna change anytime this century.

But rich and poor having group hugs? Sorry, no. England is one of the most elitist countries in the world. Anyone trying to step out of their class into another is swiftly put in their place.

Do you get out much? Of the UK I mean, for long periods.

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Do you get out much? Of the UK I mean, for long periods.

Indeed, I have travelled the world. Not for long periods, I'll give you that. But I've certainly been around the block more than most.

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Indeed, I have travelled the world. Not for long periods, I'll give you that. But I've certainly been around the block more than most.

Then you'd know how elitist most other societies are. I'll go further. In this bit of Asia the elitism extends to murder without any retribution or justice, apart from a little and I emphasize 'little', bit of cash. Slavery too, no distribution of wealth, real abuse.

Whilst you lot are moaning about 'V' neck golf jumper wearing, Volvo driving wannabe's . . .

Now tell me England is the most elitist country on earth just because some toff wouldn't talk to you in the pub.

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Then you'd know how elitist most other societies are. I'll go further. In this bit of Asia the elitism extends to murder without any retribution or justice, apart from a little and I emphasize 'little', bit of cash. Slavery too, no distribution of wealth, real abuse.

Whilst you lot are moaning about 'V' neck golf jumper wearing, Volvo driving wannabe's . . .

Now tell me England is the most elitist country on earth just because some toff wouldn't talk to you in the pub.

Blessed if I'd want to talk to a toff in a pub.huh.gif What would we say to each other?

One thing we need to get straight - a myth which seems to be perpetuated - is that preference is NOT prejudice against the non-preferred.

We all hang round with folks like ourselves, whether it is religious groups, sports groups, political groups, work groups etc.

What on EARTH would possess anyone in a working class group to talk to a Hooray Henry beats me., WTF have they in common?

One can exchange pleasantries on the superficial levels of social interaction, but it runs a bit dry after "Howya doin'" and " nice day"

I have school friends from long ago with whom I have no common interests... now, and although I still like them as people, I'd not socialise very often with them. This does not mean I hate them or look down on them.

There are some strange beliefs circulating these days, mainly due to black and white thinking. eg If you don't LOVE 'them' then you must HATE 'them'.rolleyes.gif

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But wheres the worst place in Britain?

Luton? Hull? Dagenham?

Non-chav infested areas now seem to be confined to Central London, commuter belt west London ie Chalfont type places, Cambridge, Oxford and maybe Edinburgh. The chav has rose from a small minority in the 1980s to something that afflicts the larger part of most towns and cities.

When ive been to germany, i just dont see the prevalence of badly dressed scruffy slobs. Although thats actually why i wouldnt live in Germany, because i feel id have to make an effort every day.

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But wheres the worst place in Britain?

Luton? Hull? Dagenham?

Non-chav infested areas now seem to be confined to Central London, commuter belt west London ie Chalfont type places, Cambridge, Oxford and maybe Edinburgh. The chav has rose from a small minority in the 1980s to something that afflicts the larger part of most towns and cities.

When ive been to germany, i just dont see the prevalence of badly dressed scruffy slobs. Although thats actually why i wouldnt live in Germany, because i feel id have to make an effort every day.

When I lived in the North West, My aunt - who lived in Cornwall - said she hated returning to her place of birth oop North, 'cos she found it depressing.

"Scruffy looking buggers who trudged along staring into the pavement" was how she described them. she also reckoned there was s general air of poverty.

I'd agree with this. In places like Leigh especially, they all look so poor and badly nourished. Pasty skinned etc.

My sister who lives in Bolton, says she won't go into town in the evenings, due to the rum coves knocking about. Daytime shopping too, reveals a load of Phil Mitchell lookalikes: overweight, shaven headed, pierced. What a far cry from the way it looked 30 years ago.

It has really gone down the slammer. Mainly 'cos them wot could afford to move - did - leaving everyone else behind. Sadly for those respectable but poor types.sad.gif

My friends in Germany tell me that the streets there are nothing like as litter strewn as in the UK. I have walked through town here behind groups of folk who just chucked litter on the floor.-

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There are good and bad points about the UK, and most of them come from the people in it. Its natural features aren't one of them. I quite like the climate, for example - I can't cope well with heat and I get bored if the weather stays the same for too long. I spent 15 months in the south of France and coming back for a bit of bad weather (although not the sort they had there last week) was very pleasant, althought the novelty of wind and rain wears off fairly quickly.

The people in it, though (and this varies very significantly depending on where you are) all too often have a streak of "don't give a sh1t about anything" attitude that's responsible for most of the misery here. Depending on where you are on the wealth scale the exact nature of that attitude will be different - some don't care what happens to anyone or anything in their quest to get rich, others don't care in their quest to sit on their backsides all day (that's where the litter-dropping comes from - a place that doesn't look like a dump isn't worth the effort of hanging on to something until you reach a bin). The population density also makes it harder to get away from them.

Noodle's comments about pubs are right, though, if you're not in a particularly bad pub, and you try to avoid any controversial conversations. Most people seem happy enough to talk to most other people in a pub.

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Now tell me England is the most elitist country on earth just because some toff wouldn't talk to you in the pub.

Hey, how do you know *I'm* not the toff looking down on people heh.

Anyway, other countries have their issues. No doubt about that. But America for example has a superior attitude to achievement and attainment IMO. People there are welcome to the dream wherever they come from. In Britain we still have a royal family for chrissakes. Elitist and backward. Brits might ease up with a few pints inside them down the pub, but that doesn't cut it for me. We need alcohol just to get friendly?

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